Are you guys worried about this Trump project 25/tech oligarchy takeover?

[Consept]

29 minutes ago, Elliott said:

Trump is not granted immunity for crime in office, that is more lying rage bait you've been listening to. What political commentators do you listen to and read?

According to court case that went to the supreme court he does indeed have criminal immunity for acts as the president 

"Trump v. United States, 603 U.S. 593 (2024), is a landmark decision of the Supreme Court of the United States in which the Court determined that presidential immunity from criminal prosecution presumptively extends to all of a president's "official acts" – with absolute immunity for official acts within an exclusive presidential authority that Congress cannot regulate such as the pardon, command of the military, execution of laws, or control of the executive branch. The case extends from an ongoing federal case to determine whether then-President Donald Trump and others engaged in election interference during the 2020 election, including events during the January 6, 2021, attack on the U.S. Capitol. It is the first time a case concerning criminal prosecution for alleged official acts of a president was brought before the Supreme Court."

31 minutes ago, Elliott said:

If it's so obvious that it wasn't rigged then put forth the evidence, shoot down their evidence

For one he was claiming it was rigged before the election even took place. Second it wouldn't be for the side saying it wasn't rigged to provide evidence, they're not making a claim, if he's saying it's rigged he would have to have evidence, which he didn't have as proven in multiple court cases, including against Fox news paying nearly 800 million to voting company for lying about election fraud. 

If I make a claim that you're a pedophile and have absolutely no evidence, it's not for you to.even defend it, I have to present evidence or get sued and possibly prosecuted for defamation. 

If the people Jan 6th thought it was rigged that would've been directly from Trump, there is no other reason they would've thought that. Trump had no evidence esp not before the election. So he has instigated the events, at best its incredibly irresponsible, at worst it's a treasonous attack on democracy for him to stay in power 

[Elliott]

1 hour ago, Rafael Thundercat said:

There is so many different Threads about Trump,Elon,MaGa etc that I dont really know where to posit my findings,so I put here. 

This is just one organization I found that will be affected by the fund cutting in USAID. Yes, some can affirm that AID money given to internacional problems may uave being used in a bad way, but this for example is one that fights human slavery in Asia. The name of the Institute is Nexus, directed by Rob Riemen. I am reading a small book from him called " The Eternal Return of Fascim and is where I found the link

https://nexusinstitute.net/past-projects/usaid-asia-counter-trafficking-in-persons-ctip/

The book starts with a quoute from W.H Auden

" All I have is a voice to undo the unfolded lie" 

 

 

50 minutes ago, Frylock said:

Trump has his highest approval rating ever, most Americans saying they love his policy.

This country is so fucked 😂

I don't support Republican policies, but I think it's important to try to actually understand their perspectives rather than just attacking them, the U.S. debt is monumental, they're trying to cut spending, they believe raising taxes slows the economy, this is not a far-fetched belief and slowing the economy would make it harder to reduce the debt, the U.S. is essentially a ponzi scheme where the dollar would crash if economic growth doesn't continue.

 

 

[Elliott]

14 minutes ago, Consept said:

According to court case that went to the supreme court he does indeed have criminal immunity for acts as the president 

"Trump v. United States, 603 U.S. 593 (2024), is a landmark decision of the Supreme Court of the United States in which the Court determined that presidential immunity from criminal prosecution presumptively extends to all of a president's "official acts" – with absolute immunity for official acts within an exclusive presidential authority that Congress cannot regulate such as the pardon, command of the military, execution of laws, or control of the executive branch. The case extends from an ongoing federal case to determine whether then-President Donald Trump and others engaged in election interference during the 2020 election, including events during the January 6, 2021, attack on the U.S. Capitol. It is the first time a case concerning criminal prosecution for alleged official acts of a president was brought before the Supreme Court."

 

No. 23–939. Argued April 25, 2024—Decided July 1, 2024

"Held: Under our constitutional structure of separated powers, the nature of Presidential power entitles a former President to absolute immunity from criminal prosecution for actions within his conclusive and preclusive constitutional authority. And he is entitled to at least presumptive immunity from prosecution for all his official acts. There is no immunity for unofficial acts. Pp. 5–43.

(a) This case is the first criminal prosecution in our Nation’s history of a former President for actions taken during his Presidency. Determining whether and under what circumstances such a prosecution may proceed requires careful assessment of the scope of Presidential power under the Constitution. The nature of that power requires that a former President have some immunity from criminal prosecution for official acts during his tenure in office. At least with respect to the President’s exercise of his core constitutional powers, this immunity must be absolute. As for his remaining official actions, he is entitled to at least presumptive immunity. Pp. 5"

Official acts are immune, unofficial acts like election interference or assassination are not official acts.

 

13 minutes ago, Consept said:

 

For one he was claiming it was rigged before the election even took place. Second it wouldn't be for the side saying it wasn't rigged to provide evidence, they're not making a claim, if he's saying it's rigged he would have to have evidence, which he didn't have as proven in multiple court cases, including against Fox news paying nearly 800 million to voting company for lying about election fraud. 

If I make a claim that you're a pedophile and have absolutely no evidence, it's not for you to.even defend it, I have to present evidence or get sued and possibly prosecuted for defamation. 

If the people Jan 6th thought it was rigged that would've been directly from Trump, there is no other reason they would've thought that. Trump had no evidence esp not before the election. So he has instigated the events, at best its incredibly irresponsible, at worst it's a treasonous attack on democracy for him to stay in power 

Ya, so just debunk his claims, Georgia, Nevada and Arizona elections were ran by Republicans even, it's easy to debunk the election denial, Trump himself had his chosen forensic auditors that found no problems, just say those things.

[Consept]

6 minutes ago, Elliott said:

so just debunk his claims, Georgia, Nevada and Arizona elections were ran by Republicans even, it's easy to debunk the election denial, Trump himself had his chosen forensic auditors that found no problems, just say those things.

They did say those things and the cases were thrown out of court, Trump didn't accept it and still doesn't that's the whole point, he phoned them trying to get them to 'find' votes, before he had any type of evidence. He convinced his followers of all of this, that is the problem. 

[Elliott]

54 minutes ago, Consept said:

They did say those things and the cases were thrown out of court, Trump didn't accept it and still doesn't that's the whole point, he phoned them trying to get them to 'find' votes, before he had any type of evidence. He convinced his followers of all of this, that is the problem. 

Ya, so prove to the believers that he lied to them. People aren't going to keep following someone that they know lied to them once. Prove to moderates that he's a dangerous liar. Seems to me like he tee'd us up for an easy slam dunk campaign, it's so thoroughly disproven, instead of doing that though progressives just cornered deniers as cult members and racists, and then wanted to imprison and prevent their politician from even running, that's ABC authoritarianism from progressives that Trump voters saw. You can overlook a lot of things in a candidate if you feel oppressed by the other party. Even just you wanting him in prison, look at their perspective, voting for Trump is voting against authoritarianism that even you have said the u.s. could easily fall into.

Edited yesterday at 03:54 PM by Elliott

[Rafael Thundercat]

A trip to Guantanamo anyone? 

https://www.commondreams.org/news/gitmo-concentration-camp

 

[Elliott]

27 minutes ago, Rafael Thundercat said:

A trip to Guantanamo anyone? 

https://www.commondreams.org/news/gitmo-concentration-camp

 

I wonder how much money they're spending on this war on ghosts.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/trumps-migrant-crackdown-has-more-bark-than-bite-experts-say/
 

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400 Agents, One Arrest: The Truth About Trump's ICE Raids Revealed - Democratic Underground Forums

In Denver and Aurora, Colorado, which President Donald Trump decried as the epicenter of migrant violence tied to Venezuela’s Tren de Aragua gang, an eye-popping 400 ICE agents were dispatched Wednesday. By the day’s end—and after knocking on hundreds of doors, including those of U.S. citizens—only one Tren de Aragua member was taken into custody, sources told ABC New

After 100 ICE agents spent five hours on the ground looking for criminal migrants in Chicago last week, only two people were arrested, the New York Post reported.

Trump’s team has flooded the zone with much-hyped arrest figures posted to X and turned ICE raids into a spectacle—complete with celebrity embeds like Dr. Phil and “ICE Barbie” Nancy Mace tagging along. “Much of this is optics and not reality,” immigration attorney Elizabeth Ricci, who has represented migrants in every administration since George H. W. Bush, told the Daily Beast this week.