Are you guys worried about this Trump project 25/tech oligarchy takeover?

[Consept]

2 minutes ago, Hojo said:

I think the problem is all these people who have been in government around President and politics think they deserve to be the president based on how much time they have spent in government. They vote for their shitty little party and no one else because they think they deserve it. President should be different. A party should be allowed to vote for whoever they want in the entire country not a list given to them by the party. Thats bullshit and locks out 99.9 percent of people thats just king and Queenship. There are millions of people who are better than any of them.

I mean I get your point but also not really, in most businesses you'd want someone who'd always worked in that field to be promoted within the field. For example if you had an IT company and wanted to appoint a ceo you'd want someone who either worked in IT all their working life and rose through the ranks or someone who had been a ceo at other similar companies, you wouldn't just airdrop in someone with no experience in the field but happens to be famous, like you would t really want the Rock. It might fun and exciting but I don't think it would help your business. 

President is a job that the public vote for but being qualified for it is extremely important, but the public is not educated on what makes a good president then theoretically they could vote for anyone. 

 

[Ero]

The key here is the name Curtis Yarvin that @Emerald brought up here and @Rafael Thundercat in another thread. Read his butterfly revolution post on the grey mirror substack. JD Vance has mentioned him by name as an inspiration.

Point is, this isn’t about fear or pessimism. This is what is happening. Brace for it.

[Rafael Thundercat]

A question I keep asking with no answers forthcoming.

Who is going to enforce the court orders against this fascist regime?

Check Vance X account to see what he say about Generals, Attorneys and Judges. 

https://x.com/JDVance/status/1888607143030391287?t=ME30BXCaTQ7bejgUzfKuwQ&s=19

Edited Sunday at 09:12 PM by Rafael Thundercat

[Starlight321]

I wanted to share this video after watching some others from leos blog post and it seemed to fit to the subject as resource. Now I understand what he meant by how staggering and bleak the level of corruption is after you found out. 

[Hojo]

@Consept imo you shouldn't run a country like a company. It takes a different set of skills to be president . We can see right now how it looks to run America like a company. Trump said outright that America was a company and he was going to run it like a company. A company is not for the people and I don't beleive the president has to know anything himself he has a crew that tells him whats going on and then makes a decision. The president decides who his crew is and his crew is pretty much dictating the information the president gets. So if he is running it like a company he will not run the country how its supposed to be run which is anti company. Government should be for the people companies should be anti person and the government should check the anti human corporations when they become too anti human.

The government should be constantly fighting for the workers the people and against companies and how companies run.

Government is not a business and shouldn't be treated like a business or company.

[Consept]

@Hojo I was an analogy, I was making the point you can't just get anyone and they should be qualified, but I agree I don't think a country should be run as a company. However it may be the case in the future, even now China is kinda run like a company and is very successful. Tbh Trumps presidency is run more like a mafia, his main criteria for recruiting to positions of power is loyalty to him, while also working on ways to enrich himself. If he was doing at as a stage orange company that's one thing but he's running a stage red operation. 

[Hojo]

@Consept Wel its a sad road. Companies need slaves. GG if its the case. Trump is running America like a company he is on top he controls all he is trying to cut everything that needs to be cut to save money. It dosent work like that tho.I don't know if he 100 percent coup or trying to get rid of 100000 managers. We do have too many managers and not enough feet working. 1 thing about a company is it is run like a mafia a company will kill all opponents then kill itself, it has to eat itself at the end where a government does not as the government is a symbol for the unity of the people. Companies are about consuming as much as fast as possible to grow then they will inevitably eat all others get fat then eat themselves then die.

Governments are not automatically at war with each other if they are companies they have to be. If there are a bunch of companies as countries around the world and they are not fighting that means you have a 1 world order. 1 anti human group on the top controlling everything to maximize suffering.

If I were to elect someone president or prime minister I would automatically not pick the ones trying to be that. It should be elected by everyone not a select few and we get to pick the selected few. Thats a false democracy.

 

Edited yesterday at 12:27 AM by Hojo

[Elliott]

5 hours ago, Consept said:

That is what's happened though and it literally happens all the time in developing nations sometimes to catastrophic results, Rwanda, Uganda, Nigeria, basically many nations in africa, south America and Asia have been plundered due to this type of corruption. America, everyone thought had guard rails on this, however this guard rails are really being tested by trump and Co. I thought they were strong enough, but as I said Jan 6th surprised me how close that was to really subverting the government. It's not done in the western world because it's hard to get that much support for a candidate that is capable of that, Trump is quite a unique character, I can't remember the last time or if there's ever been a time, someone like him has been president, in terms of a complete outsider, celebrity etc. 

I've heard this before but you're strawmanning me, I'm not saying he would necessarily assassinate anyone, but even this phone call is highly illegal and against the democratic process, what's worse is that he got away with it. If he keeps getting away with things like this who's to say what else he would try? Also this just happened to be recorded, I'm sure there's other things that are much worse that weren't. 

I'm not saying he rigged or would rig an election necessarily, we can just look at what he actually did which was the fake electorate plan, which was an attempt to subvert the democratic process in attempt to keep him in power after he's been voted out. This is the behaviour of someone with no respect for the democratic process. 

You're going to the absolute extreme of assassination or imprisoning opponents, he can't really do that in America because of the nature of the country but he's still trying to get to goal of having as much power as possible over the government in underhanded ways. 

So the intention imo is there, based on previous actions and current t actions, the only question for me is 'is it possible', I appreciate you're saying it's not but I'm just not sure it's so clear cut 

I don't think Trump did anything illegal, he said he heard there was fraud in the election and asked for it to be looked into. Jan 6 there was nothing that could have happened that day that would have overturned the election, at worst they would have killed pence and pelosi, that would not have changed the election. The fake elector thing was an alternative slate of electors for contested elections. The only thing Trump should have been convicted of in my opinion was what he was in new york, and then also the impeachments including the one that just started, but even if he isn't it's not bringing us any closer to dictatorship. I think you're getting some rage bait media about the u.s., most Republicans are good democracy loving people, good people, not hateful or nuts, the people you see and converse with on news or social media are not representative of normal people.

Edited yesterday at 01:24 AM by Elliott

[BlessedLion]

23 hours ago, Emerald said:

It's not paranoia. Though I understand that it might be a more comforting notion that I'm just being paranoid.

I've been correct about the rise in Fascism since 2015... and I'm correct about the situation with these tech billionaires now.

Do you not know that Elon Musk and a sizable percentage of tech billionaires are trying to actively undermine democracy?

My recommendation is to look into Curtis Yarvin, Peter Thiel, Elon Musk, and others in the tech space that want to upend the current social order and replace it with corporate fiefdoms.

It's pretty clear that that's what they're attempting... and they've said as much. So, it's not paranoia to point out something that's (at the very least) being openly attempted by Elon Musk.

I don't know if they will succeed, but my medicine journey from last March makes me think that they will.

And if I didn't see a direct correlation to the current situation with Elon Musk, I wouldn't be making that connection with my medicine journey. At first, I thought it might be reflective of someone like Putin that it would be more reflective of... since the figure looked more like Putin than like Musk.

10 months ago when I had that journey, I just thought it was making a point about limitation and the general function of dictatorship in the collective... and why dictatorship happens. It was just another insight in my journey.

But as more and more dictatorial dynamics are arising from tech billionaires, it makes me ponder if the medicine journey was showing me a sign of something to come in order to help me understand why these collective dynamics arise.

Yeah, even with that, seems extremely unlikely and improbable 

But who knows these days, it’s not completely off the table. 

[Consept]

3 hours ago, Elliott said:

don't think Trump did anything illegal, he said he heard there was fraud in the election and asked for it to be looked into. Jan 6 there was nothing that could have happened that day that would have overturned the election, at worst they would have killed pence and pelosi, that would not have changed the election. The fake elector thing was an alternative slate of electors for contested elections

He didn't 'hear' there was fraud, he'd been saying for months before that if he loses it would be because of fraud, basically priming his audience to believe that it was stolen even before the result. There was no evidence for it as was proven in multiple court cases. His intention was to delay the certification of the presidency so he could hold on to power and use the fake electors to overturn the result. It's the first time ever the certification has even been delayed. The facts are as well if the rioters had got hold of the politicians they definitely could've hurt them, they were literally shouting to 'hang Mike pence'.

Also while all this was going on Trump just watched it and didn't tell anyone to leave despite pleading from even his kids to call them off. All of this is completely treasonous and it's come full circle because he's pardoned everyone involved, why are people that attacked police allowed to walk free? I thought blue lives matter? 

This isn't rage bait, these are all facts, if this happened anywhere else I would condemn it as well. If this ever happened in the UK I'd probably fight back myself. Imo you're biased toward trump and making excuses whilst trying to look objective, to wave away Jan 6th like it was nothing just doesn't make sense to me. At the very least someone involved in that should not be allowed to run for president again but yet here we are. 

But listen I'm not gonna go back and forth with you, if you believe all this is fine that's your opinion. I'm sure there are lots of great Republican people, I have nothing against them, but I disagree that people like Trump care about anything but enriching themselves at the expense of other people. 

[Emerald]

22 minutes ago, BlessedLion said:

Yeah, even with that, seems extremely unlikely and improbable 

But who knows these days, it’s not completely off the table. 

I hope the guardrails of our institutions hold because they are being stress-tested right now.

But I see it as a nonzero chance of an authoritarian takeover from these tech billionaires... which even if it's a 1% chance, it's too much.

And my most recent medicine journey makes me concerned that it will come to fruition. 

It was showing me the macrocosmic service that dictatorship/authoritarianism serves in the collective evolution of humanity.

And I really understood it in that experience that, despite its problems, dictatorship and authoritarianism was imposing limits on people that they unconsciously desire. 

It's like a child that wants total freedom... but desperately needs a parent to come in and impose limits.

And my experience was about choosing and desiring limitation despite a strong curiosity drive to seek unlimited knowing that has been present for me since I was a small child.

I had to keep affirming over and over "I'm choosing to be limited!" to create a barrier between my finite human consciousness and the consciousness of God. It was like having to cut my consciousness away from the infinite, and it was a really painful labor-like process.

So now, I'm concerned that my journey is a reflection of a collective desire (including my individual desire) for limitation... and that the call is being answered by these top-down authoritarian dynamics.

And now that there are these tech people who aspire towards authoritarian power taking big steps towards that end, I can't help but wonder if my journey was showing me a premonition of what is to come and insights to help me understand and accept why dictatorship is necessary for humanity at this time.

That is my fear. And I know I won't accept the limitation I asked for if it comes in that form.

[Breathe]

Yes, I'm very concerned. Let's just say that I live in a part of the country where we would be a target

I think the government is just waiting for an excuse to launch a physical attack on American citizens. Once we start seeing protests, looting, and riots is when we'll see a militarized state in action. They're just waiting for the right excuse to execute the next stage in their plan. The "radical left" will be declared enemies of the state, and we all know that means anyone to the left of MAGA.

This is what has been done in other countries where dictators came to power including Nazii Germany.

To summarize, so far we have shipped immigrants to guantanamo, shackled Indians, and have been offered to house American citizens in El Salvador's prisons.

[Sempiternity]

I fear the worst. I think Trump is going to try and get rid of elections, and eliminate any checks and balances, so he has complete control to do literally anything his heart's desires. The Supreme Court gave him this power when they gave him immunity from prosecution. Which is a decision I think they will regret, as he will become too powerful even for them. For who is going to stop him when he ignores even their rulings. 

My only source of comfort is when I talked to a friend of mine that is very high up in the military. I asked him, "if it comes down to the military following any and all of Trump's orders, including invading other countries tries or killing protestors, will they follow orders, or will they stand by their oath to follow the constitution and not the President?" He said he was not worried at all, and if things get too far, they will remove him from office, take control and restore order. I think Trump is banking on him being able to use the military as his personal S.S army. And my friend said, even though alot of the military are Republicans, or even MAGA, and even though he might try and replace generals with loyalists, in the end the military will defend democracy, even from its own President. I hope he's right.

[Elliott]

4 hours ago, Consept said:

He didn't 'hear' there was fraud, he'd been saying for months before that if he loses it would be because of fraud, basically priming his audience to believe that it was stolen even before the result. There was no evidence for it as was proven in multiple court cases. His intention was to delay the certification of the presidency so he could hold on to power and use the fake electors to overturn the result. It's the first time ever the certification has even been delayed. The facts are as well if the rioters had got hold of the politicians they definitely could've hurt them, they were literally shouting to 'hang Mike pence'.

Also while all this was going on Trump just watched it and didn't tell anyone to leave despite pleading from even his kids to call them off. All of this is completely treasonous and it's come full circle because he's pardoned everyone involved, why are people that attacked police allowed to walk free? I thought blue lives matter? 

This isn't rage bait, these are all facts, if this happened anywhere else I would condemn it as well. If this ever happened in the UK I'd probably fight back myself. Imo you're biased toward trump and making excuses whilst trying to look objective, to wave away Jan 6th like it was nothing just doesn't make sense to me. At the very least someone involved in that should not be allowed to run for president again but yet here we are. 

But listen I'm not gonna go back and forth with you, if you believe all this is fine that's your opinion. I'm sure there are lots of great Republican people, I have nothing against them, but I disagree that people like Trump care about anything but enriching themselves at the expense of other people. 

I don't like Trump at all, I think he should be impeached for pardoning jan 6ers. I think it's important to allow a criminal like that to run, for instance if they were right, obviously the election denying was all a lie, but reverse the rolls, say Trump rigs the election, should the leader of a rebellion like that not be allowed to run for office, you're suggesting doing something that you appear to be afraid of Trump doing which is preventing a political opponent from running for office. America voted for Trump, he should be President, you're supporting what you're afraid Trump will do, opposing the will of the people. There is a chance you're wrong about your interpretation of these events, and in the case of criminal prosecution with Trump you have to give the benefit of doubt, it has to be beyond a reasonable doubt that he committed a crime.

[Elliott]

What political commentators do you worried people listen to or read?

[Consept]

52 minutes ago, Elliott said:

I don't like Trump at all, I think he should be impeached for pardoning jan 6ers. I think it's important to allow a criminal like that to run, for instance if they were right, obviously the election denying was all a lie, but reverse the rolls, say Trump rigs the election, should the leader of a rebellion like that not be allowed to run for office, you're suggesting doing something that you appear to be afraid of Trump doing which is preventing a political opponent from running for office. America voted for Trump, he should be President, you're supporting what you're afraid Trump will do, opposing the will of the people. There is a chance you're wrong about your interpretation of these events, and in the case of criminal prosecution with Trump you have to give the benefit of doubt, it has to be beyond a reasonable doubt that he committed a crime.

No i disagree, one point you might be right on is the criminal case hasnt gone to court yet and he hasnt been found guilty... yet. But in this case where there is overwhelming evidence, I think it would make sense to postpone the election until the result of the court case, not delay it so that he can still run. Whats also troubling is now hes basically granted immunity for anything he does in the future while in office, meaning in theory he could do the same thing and not even be prosecuted for it. 

I have no problem with any leader saying the election was rigged, the issue is you have to have actual evidence, Trump had no evidence and this was proven countless times in various court cases. The fact that he even started talking about the election being rigged months before the election even took place, should tip you off that this was a calculated measure to stay in power by creating doubt about the election. If the roles were reversed I'd 100% say the same thing, no one who illegally tries to subvert a democratic election should be allowed to run, especially when its done through violence. I dont think you can have a functioning country where people can just attempt to overthrow a government and there not be any consequences, to me thats crazy 

[puporing]

What you have is two deeply damaged individuals (Trump and Elon) joining forces and throwing tantrums with "big toys" and do not want to look inwards.   

Edited yesterday at 12:10 PM by puporing

[Rafael Thundercat]

There is so many different Threads about Trump,Elon,MaGa etc that I dont really know where to posit my findings,so I put here. 

This is just one organization I found that will be affected by the fund cutting in USAID. Yes, some can affirm that AID money given to internacional problems may uave being used in a bad way, but this for example is one that fights human slavery in Asia. The name of the Institute is Nexus, directed by Rob Riemen. I am reading a small book from him called " The Eternal Return of Fascim and is where I found the link

https://nexusinstitute.net/past-projects/usaid-asia-counter-trafficking-in-persons-ctip/

The book starts with a quoute from W.H Auden

" All I have is a voice to undo the unfolded lie" 

 

[Frylock]

Trump has his highest approval rating ever, most Americans saying they love his policy.

This country is so fucked 😂

[Elliott]

3 hours ago, Consept said:

No i disagree, one point you might be right on is the criminal case hasnt gone to court yet and he hasnt been found guilty... yet. But in this case where there is overwhelming evidence, I think it would make sense to postpone the election until the result of the court case, not delay it so that he can still run. Whats also troubling is now hes basically granted immunity for anything he does in the future while in office, meaning in theory he could do the same thing and not even be prosecuted for it. 

I have no problem with any leader saying the election was rigged, the issue is you have to have actual evidence, Trump had no evidence and this was proven countless times in various court cases. The fact that he even started talking about the election being rigged months before the election even took place, should tip you off that this was a calculated measure to stay in power by creating doubt about the election. If the roles were reversed I'd 100% say the same thing, no one who illegally tries to subvert a democratic election should be allowed to run, especially when its done through violence. I dont think you can have a functioning country where people can just attempt to overthrow a government and there not be any consequences, to me thats crazy 

Nothing that happened on january 6 threatened the election, even if they would have killed pence and pelosi it would not have made a difference. I'm not referring to an insurrectionist, by rebellion leader i meant if the election really was rigged, the people at jan 6 thought it was. I mean someone that verbally protests the election, that is the extent of what Trump did, all he's done is said the election is rigged and from that you want him to not be able to run, so if trump rigs an election no one that claims it's rigged should be allowed to run unless they have good evidence? Say they speak at a protest at the capitol that gets violent like jan 6, say they call a secretary of state like trump did in georgia. To me it's obvious they should be able to run in a free country, election denial should be allowed,

If it's so obvious that it wasn't rigged then put forth the evidence, shoot down their evidence, that's it, to me allowing that is an advantage to the peoples-will party, it should be easy to show how corrupt he is, show it to the people, you said "overwhelming evidence" about his criminal case, you could easily just campaign on that and should easily win if it's "overwhelming evidence", I don't believe it was even evident he committed crime myself, and I campaigned against Trump all three elections.

Trump is not granted immunity for crime in office, that is more lying rage bait you've been listening to. What political commentators do you listen to and read?

Edited yesterday at 02:23 PM by Elliott