Are you guys worried about this Trump project 25/tech oligarchy takeover?

[Consept]

We all know what's been happening since Trump took office and it seems to be going toward a total takeover from Trump, his loyalists and these billionaire tech owners as well as the project 25 Christian autocrats. It feels like he's putting all the pieces together or someone behind the scenes is using him to put the pieces together. 

What is the end game with this, will America essentially become a dictatorship? How will that affect the rest of the world. Mt feeling I that Trump is essentially for sale, which is why Israel are happy with him, why project 25 are happy and of course the billionaires. I'm not sure he has any super vision aside from getting as much power as possible and then auctioning off to the highest bidder to get access to it. 

I feel quite worried about it in a way I've never really felt before. We learn about dictatorships and how they happened in the past and I always assumed we as humans esp in the western world would never go down that road again, yet here we are. We know this doesn't work and leads to pain and suffering yet we bumble down the road anyway. I understand why it's happening in terms of the media landscape etc but are people worried as well? What can we even do to stem this or is it case of just let the cycle play out?

[Elliott]

No. The rich, the military, and even most republicans would oppose not only dictatorship but the coming recession from the instability currently being created.

 

Trump was elected to cut government programs, his support from most republicans ends there. Blue wave coming.

 

 

 

[Jodistrict]

STOP "Freaking Out"    -  Senator Fetterman on Trump.

 

 

[Emerald]

I'm definitely worried about it. And I've been worried about Fascism since around 2015... though I didn't think it would go exactly this way. I thought it would be more like old school Nazis... and there are elements of that.

The plan from these tech billionaires is to create little corporate fiefdoms where there is an oligarch ruling as king/dictator over a patch of different territories. And it would be this Big Brother-esque kind of situation where everyone in that territory is under the control of that oligarch.

The idea that they (Elon Musk, Peter Thiel, Curtis Yarvin, etc.) hold is that democracy has failed and that corporate dictatorship is necessary.

Like, if Stage Blue Fascism was Nazis... Stage Orange Fascism is this kind of hegemonic corporatist oligarchy dictatorship.

And it's really clear to me the Elon is seeing the Trump presidency as a way to erode the American system enough to become the dictator.

He's also trying to do it with other governments. I suspect his goal is to be dictator to all of humanity.

In my most recent Ayahuasca journey, the medicine showed me this image that was a neon contour line drawing on a black background... that looked like a mixture between Elon Musk and Vladimir Putin very large standing in front of a neon contour line drawing of the United States.

And it was clear to me that it was depicting a dictator that had taken control of America.

And it was showing me that the function of dictatorship is to impose limits on people when they don't limit themselves from a place of personal sovereignty.

So, I keep going back to that image... and I suspect that it means that their plans will succeed. So, I'm concerned about it.

[Elliott]

Elon is running a hail marry, Tesla is a fraud on the scale of Enron and he will actually face potential prison time when the Ponzi scheme musical chairs music stops. The valuation for Tesla is based on Autonomous Self Driving, something he promised completion on 5 years ago and he isn't appreciably closer to it today. His competitor in this frontier is actually Google that owns Waymo, whom have had successful technology for years and is about to greatly expand their market after extensive testing in select cities. The next phase of Google's deployment could easily tank Tesla if it's successful,

I think good things can come out of the ashes of the dumpster fire, a lot of poor people are going to be hurt during all of this I don't think that's acceptable or necessary, but there are structural improvements that would not be as accessible as they will be after demolition. For example, it appears inevitable to me that the federal departments currently being dismantled will be built up at the state level, I think this will lead to more state level government ran healthcare. I think it would do good for the U.S. to be less centralized than we are, varying and more flexible state governments could bring forth some improvement.

We definitely have a dumpster fire to endure, if not a recession then more extreme inflation from federal stimulus again to avoid a recession. And in the mid term, I'm thinking 10 to 15 years, this could make an impact on the position the U.S. has in the world. He is now going after Japan, this is more devastating than Canada, Japanese relations will be much harder to mend even with U.S. regime change. The most I expect with global conflict is China taking Taiwan, other than that just a lot of terrorist attacks.

If you want to do something, run for any office and get more involved in liberal circles, help others run for office, stay involved in public discourse try to find groups you can stand, and contact republican representatives to give them your views.

Edited Sunday at 03:16 AM by Elliott

[hoodrow trillson]

Yes

There’s people around me already becoming affected. Even if it amounts to next to nothing, the psyche damage to America is already there

[Elliott]

20 minutes ago, hoodrow trillson said:

Yes

There’s people around me already becoming affected. Even if it amounts to next to nothing, the psyche damage to America is already there

What are they afraid of?

[PurpleTree]

There are multiple things coming together.

Social media, fake news/disinformation/propaganda, people living in different realities, divided society, the rise of China, broligarchy, ai, and now Elon buying twitter and now part of the government with his bs etc.

[Yimpa]

I’ve found myself getting to know my local marginalized communities more and spending time with them, so it’s not all downsides. 

[abundance]

Yes I am worried. Everyone should be. None of this is normal. Its a bit hopeful seeing the administration racking up all these law suits though. Our judicial system is perhaps one of our last lines of defenses. If Trump and Elon decide to defy these court orders we're in deep trouble. 

[aurum]

10 hours ago, Elliott said:

Trump was elected to cut government programs, his support from most republicans ends there. Blue wave coming.

Trump was elected to do Project 2025, which is in essence an authoritarian takeover of the government.

I see no evidence republicans will suddenly change their mind. Trump will likely only lose support if things go very badly economically and a significant percentage of the public turn on him.

[Elliott]

14 minutes ago, aurum said:

Trump was elected to do Project 2025, which is in essence an authoritarian takeover of the government.

I see no evidence republicans will suddenly change their mind. Trump will likely only lose support if things go very badly economically and a significant percentage of the public turn on him.

It's not an authoritarian takeover, him and congress were elected for these changes, that's democracy.

[OBEler]

@Elliott would you say Optimus robot is also mostly fake?

[aurum]

10 minutes ago, Elliott said:

It's not an authoritarian takeover, him and congress were elected for these changes, that's democracy.

You can argue the American people democratically elected him to be an authoritarian. But their end goal is still authoritarianism.

 

[Elliott]

34 minutes ago, OBEler said:

@Elliott would you say Optimus robot is also mostly fake?

They can walk on their own, I don't know of any grand claims about them you might be referring to.

 

https://arstechnica.com/ai/2024/10/reports-teslas-prototype-optimus-robots-were-controlled-by-humans/

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Ars Technica

Oct 15, 2024 · Bloomberg cites unnamed "people familiar with the matter" in reporting that Tesla "used humans to remotely control some capabilities" of the prototype robots at the event

That lines up with reporting from tech blogger Robert Scoble, who posted on social media that he had "talked with an engineer" who confirmed that "when it walked, that is AI running Optimus." For other tasks—like pouring drinks from a tap, playing Rock Paper Scissors, or chatting with nearby attendees—Scoble noted that "a human is remote assisting."

 

 

Edited Sunday at 03:02 AM by Elliott

[Elliott]

19 minutes ago, aurum said:

You can argue the American people democratically elected him to be an authoritarian. But their end goal is still authoritarianism.

 

How is it authoritarian if the people elected him to enact the exact executive orders he's enacting, project 2025 was public and Republicans have always supported dismantling all of these programs. America elected not only him as president, but a republican congress, this is the will of the people you're seeing, every single act.

[BlessedLion]

8 hours ago, Emerald said:

I'm definitely worried about it. And I've been worried about Fascism since around 2015... though I didn't think it would go exactly this way. I thought it would be more like old school Nazis... and there are elements of that.

The plan from these tech billionaires is to create little corporate fiefdoms where there is an oligarch ruling as king/dictator over a patch of different territories. And it would be this Big Brother-esque kind of situation where everyone in that territory is under the control of that oligarch.

The idea that they (Elon Musk, Peter Thiel, Curtis Yarvin, etc.) hold is that democracy has failed and that corporate dictatorship is necessary.

Like, if Stage Blue Fascism was Nazis... Stage Orange Fascism is this kind of hegemonic corporatist oligarchy dictatorship.

And it's really clear to me the Elon is seeing the Trump presidency as a way to erode the American system enough to become the dictator.

He's also trying to do it with other governments. I suspect his goal is to be dictator to all of humanity.

In my most recent Ayahuasca journey, the medicine showed me this image that was a neon contour line drawing on a black background... that looked like a mixture between Elon Musk and Vladimir Putin very large standing in front of a neon contour line drawing of the United States.

And it was clear to me that it was depicting a dictator that had taken control of America.

And it was showing me that the function of dictatorship is to impose limits on people when they don't limit themselves from a place of personal sovereignty.

So, I keep going back to that image... and I suspect that it means that their plans will succeed. So, I'm concerned about it.

Keep open the possibility that your subconscious fears (you said you’ve been fearing this since 2015) are showing up in your trips. It sounds like your falling into some paranoia imo

[aurum]

9 minutes ago, Elliott said:

How is it authoritarian if the people elected him to enact the exact executive orders he's enacting, project 2025 was public and Republicans have always supported dismantling all of these programs. America elected not only him as president, but a republican congress, this is the will of the people you're seeing, every single act.

The entire premise of Project 2025 was unitary executive theory. Which is essentially just removing as many checks on Donald Trump's power as possible and replacing gov officials with loyalists who will do all his bidding.

Again, you can argue this is what the people voted for. But in that case they voted for authoritarianism. They voted to destroy democracy. So it doesn't make much sense to still call what is happening democracy, assuming Trump and team succeed.

If Elon Musk now has the power to override laws that have been signed into existence by Congress + president, are you still going to call that democracy because people voted for Trump?

What about if they start refusing to obey federal court orders and are no longer accountable to the justice system?

[Terell Kirby]

12 hours ago, Consept said:

What is the end game with this, will America essentially become a dictatorship?

There's a lot of paranoia and fear mongering happening in progressive circles, I try not to get roped into-as its often over-exaggerated.

Voters have indeed taken a turn to the dark side by virtue of toxic ideologies peddled by social media algorithms. This has opened the door for figures like Trump and Musk to gut federal bureacracy wherever they can to amass greater wealth and power for themselves and their offspring.

This alone is cause for concern, but not an over concern. American democratic institutions, though currently in its most fragile state, are robust enough to keep a full dictatorship at bay. Expect a bumpy road for US Democracy in the next 5-10 years, but its what's needed to make the average voter suffer enough to never make such an epistemic blunder of this magnitude again. 

Faith in democratic institutions is only as good as the consciousness and development of voters who are interested in maintaining the integrity of those institutions. Now that they risks collapse- average people will start to feel how their irresponsibility and ignorance towards governance can significantly jeopardize their survival. This is what learning the hard way looks like.

Edited Sunday at 03:54 AM by Terell Kirby

[Emerald]

45 minutes ago, BlessedLion said:

Keep open the possibility that your subconscious fears (you said you’ve been fearing this since 2015) are showing up in your trips. It sounds like your falling into some paranoia imo

It's not paranoia. Though I understand that it might be a more comforting notion that I'm just being paranoid.

I've been correct about the rise in Fascism since 2015... and I'm correct about the situation with these tech billionaires now.

Do you not know that Elon Musk and a sizable percentage of tech billionaires are trying to actively undermine democracy?

My recommendation is to look into Curtis Yarvin, Peter Thiel, Elon Musk, and others in the tech space that want to upend the current social order and replace it with corporate fiefdoms.

It's pretty clear that that's what they're attempting... and they've said as much. So, it's not paranoia to point out something that's (at the very least) being openly attempted by Elon Musk.

I don't know if they will succeed, but my medicine journey from last March makes me think that they will.

And if I didn't see a direct correlation to the current situation with Elon Musk, I wouldn't be making that connection with my medicine journey. At first, I thought it might be reflective of someone like Putin that it would be more reflective of... since the figure looked more like Putin than like Musk.

10 months ago when I had that journey, I just thought it was making a point about limitation and the general function of dictatorship in the collective... and why dictatorship happens. It was just another insight in my journey.

But as more and more dictatorial dynamics are arising from tech billionaires, it makes me ponder if the medicine journey was showing me a sign of something to come in order to help me understand why these collective dynamics arise.

Edited Sunday at 04:01 AM by Emerald