Meditation Techniques That Create Psychedelic States?

[Ry4n]

Was wondering if there is any meditation techniques you guys would recommend for having experiences similar to those reached with psychedelics? Doesn't have to lead to any visuals, just any technique that has a similar effect. I might add that at this moment self inquiry seems a bit advanced for me, so was hoping the technique wouldn't be too difficult.

[Prabhaker]

5 minutes ago, Ry4n said:

Was wondering if there is any meditation techniques you guys would recommend for having experiences similar to those reached with psychedelics?

Psychedelics can give you a glimpse of reality at the most. That glimpse is just a far-away echo of real thing. It is very cheap.

Meditation techniques can't give you even a glimpse, they prepare ground for meditation. Meditation happens, you can't do it. Journey towards meditation is long and arduous. It is your complete transformation. It is a mutation. 

Meditation is a knack. Once you know how to enter into meditation, how to become available for meditation, then your real spiritual journey starts. Now you have to live a meditative life, now you can really sit silently doing nothing, then Samadhi (self-realization) happens. Samadhi gives you experiences far richer than psychedelics, after Samadhi you will attain many psychic powers, great wisdom, paradise on earth. 

[Loreena]

1 hour ago, Prabhaker said:

Psychedelics can give you a glimpse of reality at the most. That glimpse is just a far-away echo of real thing. It is very cheap.

Meditation techniques can't give you even a glimpse, they prepare ground for meditation. Meditation happens, you can't do it. Journey towards meditation is long and arduous. It is your complete transformation. It is a mutation. 

Meditation is a knack. Once you know how to enter into meditation, how to become available for meditation, then your real spiritual journey starts. Now you have to live a meditative life, now you can really sit silently doing nothing, then Samadhi (self-realization) happens. Samadhi gives you experiences far richer than psychedelics, after Samadhi you will attain many psychic powers, great wisdom, paradise on earth. 

Let's say a person has a severe health issue. Let's say his organs aren't functioning properly, and he meditates everyday for long hours and he achieves samadhi. If he develops strong psychic powers, how is that going to help him with his health problems. How can he reduce his suffering and pain. How does meditation benefit him. 

[Prabhaker]

2 minutes ago, unknownworld said:

How do you know this? Have you had experiences with psychedelics?

Whatever you think, I will not discuss it on this forum.

[Prabhaker]

2 minutes ago, Loreena said:

Let's say a person has a severe health issue.

Meditation is not for suffering types. It is a difficult journey even for a healthy person. 

[Prabhaker]

6 minutes ago, Loreena said:

meditates everyday for long hours and he achieves samadhi

After Samadhi all problems are solved. But after full enlightenment you body can suffer from serious ailments but fully enlightened persons don't interfere. 

[Loreena]

1 minute ago, Prabhaker said:

Meditation is not for suffering types. It is a difficult journey even for a healthy person. 

I didn't get. You mean to say that there is no benefit or relief from suffering even for those who meditate for many years. 

[Loreena]

2 minutes ago, Prabhaker said:

After Samadhi all problems are solved. But after full enlightenment you body can suffer from serious ailments but fully enlightened persons don't interfere. 

Are health problems solved after samadhi 

[Prabhaker]

Just now, Loreena said:

Are health problems solved after samadhi 

They start solving on the path of meditation, before Samadhi.

[Loreena]

8 minutes ago, Prabhaker said:

Meditation is not for suffering types. It is a difficult journey even for a healthy person. 

Then what is the solution to suffering 

[electroBeam]

1 minute ago, Loreena said:

Are health problems solved after samadhi 

Health problems are only problems from a dualistic perspective.

Do you care that the moon has craters on it? If not why would you care about health problems?

[Prabhaker]

Just now, Loreena said:

Then what is the solution to suffering

Techniques of meditation are solution to suffering. But techniques are not meditation. They prepare ground for meditation.

[ajasatya]

@Ry4n try yogic pranayamas. search for "kapalabhati" and "sat kriya".

[AlwaysBeNice]

2 minutes ago, Loreena said:

Are health problems solved after samadhi 

After enlightenment yes, but the physical manifestation might still be there, but there won't any suffering.

@OP, You can do concentration meditation, self-inquiry/labeling (labeling thoughts as thoughts), you are always ready to get to know yourself.

I would recommend you do both (maybe do some metta (every once in a while as well)).

The more you open to consciousness and your suppressed emotions, the less suffering and the more peace there will be, with that comes a more intense child-like experience of the world, and can opening you up psychicly, both are indeed psychedelic like.

=)

 

[Loreena]

4 minutes ago, AlwaysBeNice said:

After enlightenment yes, but the physical manifestation might still be there, but there won't any suffering.

@OP, You can do concentration meditation, self-inquiry/labeling (labeling thoughts as thoughts), you are always ready to get to know yourself.

I would recommend you do both (maybe do some metta (every once in a while as well)).

The more you open to consciousness and your suppressed emotions, the less suffering and the more peace there will be, with that comes a more intense child-like experience of the world, and can opening you up psychicly, both are indeed psychedelic like.

=)

 

So this means that a person will experience freedom and bliss while his body continues to degenerate physically and there is no actual recovery from the specific health problems but a disconnection from the experience of pain. But this apparently looks similar to drinking your problems away but not actually eradicating or solving them. The problems continue to remain or even get worse. But the experience changes. How does this bring real benefits. 

[Loreena]

16 minutes ago, Prabhaker said:

Techniques of meditation are solution to suffering. But techniques are not meditation. They prepare ground for meditation.

So this means that a person will experience freedom and bliss while his body continues to degenerate physically and there is no actual recovery from the specific health problems but a disconnection from the experience of pain. But this apparently looks similar to drinking your problems away but not actually eradicating or solving them. The problems continue to remain or even get worse. But the experience changes. How does this bring real benefits

[AlwaysBeNice]

7 minutes ago, Loreena said:

So this means that a person will experience freedom and bliss while his body continues to degenerate physically and there is no actual recovery from the specific health problems but a disconnection from the experience of pain. But this apparently looks similar to drinking your problems away but not actually eradicating or solving them. The problems continue to remain or even get worse. But the experience changes. How does this bring real benefits. 

Pain is not bad or painful in and of itself.

It is the suppressed emotional and mental frustration/fear that creates the suffering.

That's why a little pain might not hurt you, or an intense sensation doesn't hurt until it's seen by the ego.

Waking up is realizing this, it's the opposite of disconnecting, it is being with the pain fully but you knowing you are beyond it.

All 'problems' are part of your dream.

And the newfound energy could heal the body, maybe, depends on the flow of life, but either way it's fine, death's natural too.

Edited May 9, 2017 by AlwaysBeNice

[Prabhaker]

2 minutes ago, Loreena said:

So this means that a person will experience freedom and bliss while his body continues to degenerate physically and there is no actual recovery from the specific health problems but a disconnection from the experience of pain.

Try to understand. When you will grow towards meditation, your health will improve. With health problems you can't enter Samadhi, all health problems will be solved well before Samadhi. 

After full enlightenment your can suffer from serious ailments, even death can happen. But full enlightenment is very rare.

[Loreena]

3 minutes ago, AlwaysBeNice said:

Pain is not bad or painful in and of itself.

It is the suppressed emotional and mental frustration/fear that creates the suffering.

That's why a little pain might not hurt you, or an intense sensation doesn't hurt until it's seen by the ego.

Waking up is realizing this, it's the opposite of disconnecting, it is being with the pain fully but you knowing you are beyond it.

All 'problems' are part of your dream.

And the newfound energy could heal the body, maybe, depends on the flow of life, but either way it's fine, death's natural too.

And is suffering natural.

[Loreena]

2 minutes ago, Prabhaker said:

Try to understand. When you will grow towards meditation, your health will improve. With health problems you can't enter Samadhi, all health problems will be solved well before Samadhi. 

After full enlightenment your can suffer from serious ailments, even death can happen. But full enlightenment is very rare.

What's the difference between samadhi and enlightenment