All of Spirituality is a Construction

[Davino]

I was dreaming about my childhood, imagine I became a kid again, in a condensed day what it means to be innocent, joyful and pure.

From that state of mind and being, I got bombarded by millions of experiences and ideas. Even at some point, another human introduced me to "spirituality" or the "possibility of Awakening". That is also brainwashing, a corruption of mind, a set of beliefs and stories, despite their potential usefulness and even power for bringing about an actual Awakening.

As a matter of fact, if they work they are even more dangerous, the mind will grab hold of them even tighter. Because the tool is not the Awakening it leads to. The microscopy is not the life you want to understand and in the end, it's a barrier between both. 

Edited Saturday at 08:48 AM by Davino

[emil1234]

this is why many spiritual traditions, especially buddhism, almost exclusively use negative terms (anatman, anicca,nirvana etc), in order to not have people imagining stuff about spirituality, thus hindering their awakening. i believe it is also why many teachers refuse to talk about metaphysical stuff in general

whilst i absolutley love leo and his teachings, I must admit that gaining intellectual understanding of all of this metaphysical stuff has been a huge hinderance on my own journey, because it made me conjure up images and expectations about awakening. 

Edited Saturday at 08:59 AM by emil1234

[Davino]

Buddhism is equally guilty. 

You listened to some buddhist and thought negative terms would somehow solve this issue.

31 minutes ago, emil1234 said:

whilst i absolutley love leo and his teachings, I must admit that gaining intellectual understanding of all of this metaphysical stuff has been a huge hinderance on my own journey, because it made me conjure up images and expectations about awakening.

You would conjure them up anyway, the mind has a deep tendency to fill in the gaps that it doesn't know with fantasy.

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I was trying to make a very very subtle point, which is that the methodology is NOT Awakening. Meditation is not Awakening, Yoga is not Awakening, Psychedelics is not Awakening... Only Awakening IS Awakening.

You need spirituality but today I've come to deconstruct it.

Edited Saturday at 09:29 AM by Davino

[emil1234]

24 minutes ago, Davino said:

Buddhism is equally guilty. 

You listened to some buddhist and thought negative terms would somehow solve this issue.

You would conjure them up anyway, the mind has a deep tendency to fill in the gaps that it doesn't know with fantasy.

 

while i agree that its inherent for the mind to fill in gaps, some stories tend to enforce more imagination than others. if i tell you to imagine infinite goodness, eternal love beauty and bliss, you will have all sorts of ideas of what that would be like.

if i tell you to imagine absolute Nothingness on the other hand, well..

24 minutes ago, Davino said:

methodology is NOT Awakening. Meditation is not Awakening, Yoga is not Awakening, Psychedelics is not Awakening... Only Awakening IS Awakening.

 

i agree

 

Edited Saturday at 09:43 AM by emil1234

[Breakingthewall]

Spirituality is the opening to your true nature, it is not a construction. It is a construction only if you are a narcissist who believes cool things that make you better than others, and stuff, but you have to be a little dumb to fall for that imo, it's supposed that we are more than that. Spirituality is absolute humbleness and absolute openess.

Edited Saturday at 10:16 AM by Breakingthewall

[emil1234]

@Breakingthewall whats the story behind your profil picture

ive been wondering

[Breakingthewall]

6 hours ago, emil1234 said:

@Breakingthewall whats the story behind your profil picture

ive been wondering

🤣It's the cover of a book of jack vance, a sci fi writer series b that inspires me with great joy, even though its novels are very basic, I also like sailing, I have lived many years on boats, sailed a lot in company and alone with many different boats on very dangerous adventures, also making business with sail boats, and triying to do again, and also that image evokes the slow path to....where? To the dissolution in the absolute, where all of us are going to arrive again and again. 

Edited Saturday at 04:45 PM by Breakingthewall

[emil1234]

@Breakingthewall knew there was some epic backstory 

[Breakingthewall]

2 hours ago, emil1234 said:

@Breakingthewall knew there was some epic backstory 

Life is always epic, even if we don't realize it

Edited Saturday at 02:02 PM by Breakingthewall

[Hojo]

I dont think its a construction if it is its constructed by God. Clearly there are specific things you can do to have things happen in specific ways as there are guru's that can guide you. Its just not human its like a computer anything human you think it is its not.

Edited Sunday at 05:12 PM by Hojo

[Sugarcoat]

Thats why I wrote a post a few years ago “spirituality fell away spontaneously “ because I saw how it was my own mental construct and it dissolved. Although now I could hypnotically practice spirituality without it being a mental construct but it took a lot of unraveling of mental constructs to get to that point

[Breakingthewall]

real spirituality is a deconstruction, not a construction. As Teihard de Chardin said, the human begins at an alpha point and goes towards an omega point. At the alpha point he is a prisoner of his genetic impulses, and spirituality is the deconstruction of the entire karmic structure to reach the omega point, the total opening to the absolute nature 

[Sugarcoat]

16 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

real spirituality is a deconstruction, not a construction.

Wow yes

[Yimpa]

All constructions ultimately collapse until l that is left is Infinity 

[Schizophonia]

8 minutes ago, Yimpa said:

All constructions ultimately collapse until l that is left is Infinity 

You confused your estradiol pen with 5 MeO DMT.