what if?

[Hojo]

@TruthFreedom You will lose your discretionary mind. Meaning you won't be able to logic yourself out of feeling that come up when you see God. And you might be terrified at what it looks like and mistake it for satan.

Edited February 7 by Hojo

[TruthFreedom]

18 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

You don't need faith when you can have Consciousness.

Faith is fool's gold. Consciousness is actual gold.

that's what you "believe". hahaha

[The Crocodile]

3 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

@TruthFreedom You are not doing the work. You are engaged in belief, guessing, and fantasy. This work is about what literally occurs in direct experience.

What believes your ego invents are irrelevant.

But Leo his name says "Truth"

[TruthFreedom]

11 minutes ago, The Crocodile said:

But Leo his name says "Truth"

You got it 

And you're a trap,

Cos your name says "crocodile"

[TruthFreedom]

It's OK, I still just see black shapes on a screen. I know that my mind creates the meaning behind the words. This does not, however, negate my point that there could be an inherent meaning to life, beyond the mind.

[Nemra]

@TruthFreedom, point out something that has a meaning that is outside of your own experience.

[Breakingthewall]

Evolution is real, a bacteria is not the same as a rat, the tendency towards good is karmic evolution. Higher intelligence perceives good and evil, and perceives how actions and ways of being point toward greater or lesser karmic density. Enlightenment is the total dissolution of karma, that is, survival does not matter to you, only the truth matters, suffering is irrelevant and is perceived as "good" if it points towards greater openness to the absolute. selfishness disappears, because its perceived as stupidity, since its useless, plays against you, since your goal is not survival anymore, since you know that this life is just a step

[TruthFreedom]

34 minutes ago, Nemra said:

@TruthFreedom, point out something that has a meaning that is outside of your own experience.

There is nothing I can verify that is outside of my own experience. So that is impossible.

But I can still "believe" in things outside of my own experience.

Ok, Just because I believe it does not mean it is true.

But also, Just because I believe it, does not mean that it's NOT true.

[Nemra]

@TruthFreedom, was your first answer based on beliefs?

[gettoefl]

14 hours ago, Nemra said:

@TruthFreedom, point out something that has a meaning that is outside of your own experience.

Possible by changing the experiencer. New experiencer, new meanings.

First have faith. Faith means one relinquishes what one currently thinks to be truth. Faith is needed while doubt remains until truth dawns. Faith is emptying oneself (kenosis) so that filling oneself can happen. Truth needs everything to be dropped for it to shine forth. It needs faith. Truth aka consciousness is to see the world rightly. Truth makes one a new creation. Now the meaning you previously assigned to life are seen as mistaken. The meaning of life is clear.

[TruthFreedom]

Truth and meaning are so intertwined, I would almost say they are synonymous.

[gettoefl]

2 hours ago, TruthFreedom said:

Truth and meaning are so intertwined, I would almost say they are synonymous.

Meaning is your truth which isn't my truth let alone the truth.

Edited February 8 by gettoefl

[Spiral Wizard]

On 2/7/2025 at 3:31 PM, Leo Gura said:

The point is to see that you are creating those things.

Meaning exists as something your mind creates. Otherwise it doesn't.

It's like you are given a canvas with an elephant drawn on it and told that the elephant only exists because someone drew it. Otherwise there is no elephant. And you reply, "But elephants aren't real then? Elephants are a hoax?! Why would you want a life without elephants?"

Gold.

On 2/7/2025 at 10:18 PM, Leo Gura said:

Don't guess.

Sit down and observe what meaning is, how it is created.

This work is not about guessing about how things are, it is about sitting down and looking at what is actually going on. It's like science. Do the science of meaning.

Go outside, pick up a rock, and ask yourself, What does this rock mean? And look at it. There is your answer.

Gold.

On 2/7/2025 at 10:32 PM, Leo Gura said:

@TruthFreedom You are not doing the work. You are engaged in belief, guessing, and fantasy. This work is about what literally occurs in direct experience.

What believes your ego invents are irrelevant.

Gold. 

On 2/8/2025 at 1:39 AM, Leo Gura said:

You don't need faith when you can have Consciousness.

Faith is fool's gold. Consciousness is actual gold.

GOLD! 

 

I'm starting to think @Leo Gura is a gold digger...

[Breakingthewall]

On 6/2/2025 at 7:11 PM, TruthFreedom said:

what if good and bad really exist?

what if we have free will?

wouldn't life be meaningless if this wasn't the case?

why do you want to believe life is meaningless?

have you forgotten something?

Good and bad exist, free will exist, life is meaningful. It's very obvious. The conceptual is not a fantasy, it is the mental representation of reality, without the concept of good, good exists, the concept is only a tool, not an end in itself, a conceptual mind aligned with the reality is wisdom, a conceptual mind confused is ignorance 

[TruthFreedom]

You want meaning? Then you listen to someone like Eva Cassidy sing, then you can't deny there is meaning.

Or, you just believe it's all in your mind.

Up to you.

[Breakingthewall]

Good is just a word that crates a mental structure that represents the openess to the absolute reality. Bad is another word that represents the closure to the absolute reality. Both, open and close, refers to perception. Perception exist, then perception can be open or close, it's a reality,not an idea, the ideas come after the reality, to make a mental map of it. 

Edited February 9 by Breakingthewall

[Breakingthewall]

Good also can express what promotes the survival and bad that is against the survival. Are just words used depending of the conceptual frame of the person, but that points to a reality. Survival is a reality, openess to the absolute is a reality, perception is a reality. You could say: from an absolute perspective nothing happens because reality is infinite, then good and bad means nothing. But from an absolute perspective even the idea of good and bad doesn't exist, nor the thought or anything else, so it's meaningless to use this argument