what if?

[TruthFreedom]

what if good and bad really exist?

what if we have free will?

wouldn't life be meaningless if this wasn't the case?

why do you want to believe life is meaningless?

have you forgotten something?

[Atb210201]

Good and bad really exist.

We have free will.

Life is meaningful.

If that's what you need to hear right now.

That's the Truth.

Edited February 6 by Atb210201

[Breakingthewall]

Of course good and bad exist, if something seems good or bad to you, it means that that distinction exists for you, and if it exists for you, it means that it exists. 

Same about meaning, about free will, I don't know, maybe reality occurs automatically, and what seems like your will is just one more appearance of reality that ultimately could not have been any other way, since it has been that way and is infinitely synchronized, or perhaps it could have been another way, but knowing this is useless, irrelevant and impossible . the only thing that can be known is that it is as it is.

[TruthFreedom]

Idk

Edited February 7 by TruthFreedom
Dunno

[Leo Gura]

The point is to see that you are creating those things.

Meaning exists as something your mind creates. Otherwise it doesn't.

It's like you are given a canvas with an elephant drawn on it and told that the elephant only exists because someone drew it. Otherwise there is no elephant. And you reply, "But elephants aren't real then? Elephants are a hoax?! Why would you want a life without elephants?"

Edited February 7 by Leo Gura

[CorruptedSoul]

It was billions of minds creating their own intention or fantasy or imaginations then. What if you arent it and someone told you you are it ? Will you die or accept it or becomes it? 

To runaway from it i need a lot of money. I have also come to the realization that only to something that are acceptable that are not against your soul you could accept it but without action that thing wont flown too. Eventhough it was not yours but acceptable. There are also everything in between where you cant avoid it. No free will . A complete vessels of s. Empty headed. 

In my case i wasn't empty headed because i hated it. If i go to all of that, things would be good . Or no. 
 

i keep on forgetting that my phone can be looked at by others. 
 

i slept for a while and for the first time ever i dont get a nightmare. 

Edited February 8 by CorruptedSoul
God

[TruthFreedom]

6 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

The point is to see that you are creating those things.

Meaning exists as something your mind creates. Otherwise it doesn't.

It's like you are given a canvas with an elephant drawn on it and told that the elephant only exists because someone drew it. Otherwise there is no elephant. And you reply, "But elephants aren't real then? Elephants are a hoax?! Why would you want a life without elephants?"

yeah, but there could be an inherent meaning infused into the universe. meaning may not be simply created by the mind. have you considered this?

how's that for going meta?

maybe you can see that something actually exists outside your mind, Leo?

Edited February 7 by TruthFreedom

[Leo Gura]

8 minutes ago, TruthFreedom said:

yeah, but there could be an inherent meaning infused into the universe. meaning may not be simply created by the mind. have you considered this?

Don't guess.

Sit down and observe what meaning is, how it is created.

This work is not about guessing about how things are, it is about sitting down and looking at what is actually going on. It's like science. Do the science of meaning.

Go outside, pick up a rock, and ask yourself, What does this rock mean? And look at it. There is your answer.

Edited February 7 by Leo Gura

[TruthFreedom]

look at my edit

 

[TruthFreedom]

Did you believe you were the only thing in existence when you were a young child?

I didn't.

Is this something you have let your mind convince you of?

[The Crocodile]

6 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Don't guess.

Sit down and observe what meaning is, how it is created.

This work is not about guessing about how things are, it is about sitting down and looking at what is actually going on. It's like science. Do the science of meaning.

Go outside, pick up a rock, and ask yourself, What does this rock mean? And look at it. There is your answer.

The meaning and meaninglessness--one is not more primary than the other. God can imagine the universe from inside the meaning.

Also the rock is emanations of reality. Meaning is a highly configured bundle of emanations.

[TruthFreedom]

10 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Don't guess.

Sit down and observe what meaning is, how it is created.

This work is not about guessing about how things are, it is about sitting down and looking at what is actually going on. It's like science. Do the science of meaning.

Go outside, pick up a rock, and ask yourself, What does this rock mean? And look at it. There is your answer.

That is solipsism. I have gone meta, in that i believe that something exists beyond my mind. So it is irrelevant if my mind decides there is meaning to the rock, ha

[Leo Gura]

@TruthFreedom You are not doing the work. You are engaged in belief, guessing, and fantasy. This work is about what literally occurs in direct experience.

What believes your ego invents are irrelevant.

Edited February 7 by Leo Gura

[TruthFreedom]

Just now, Leo Gura said:

@TruthFreedom You are not doing the work. You are engaged in belief, guessing, and fantasy. This work is about what is literally occurs in direct experience.

Yeah this is where faith comes into the picture, which you have none of. Because having "belief" requires humbling yourself and taking a "leap of faith". 

This means looking beyond the self.

It could be possible that Heaven exists. 

Having faith means looking beyond your direct experience, and BELIEVING.

This is why religions talk about "believers", because "believing" is very important in this matter, which you completely ignore.

[TruthFreedom]

funny how he doesn't have a reply to that

[Vynce]

1 hour ago, TruthFreedom said:

Yeah this is where faith comes into the picture, which you have none of. Because having "belief" requires humbling yourself and taking a "leap of faith". 

This means looking beyond the self.

It could be possible that Heaven exists. 

Having faith means looking beyond your direct experience, and BELIEVING.

This is why religions talk about "believers", because "believing" is very important in this matter, which you completely ignore.

Now my day is ruined. 

Grow up kid. 

[TruthFreedom]

16 minutes ago, Vynce said:

Now my day is ruined. 

Grow up kid. 

Your day is ruined because I made you question your reality?

Have a cup of tea.

[Vynce]

22 minutes ago, TruthFreedom said:

Your day is ruined because I made you question your reality?

Have a cup of tea.

You made me question the epistemic standard of the forum.

There are definitely too many guys like you in here. 

People better be happy that I’m not a moderator. 

Edited February 7 by Vynce

[Hojo]

@TruthFreedom You are in heaven your mind is in heaven your body is on earth. Heaven is pitch black. If you dont know your beleif will not carry you far after death. If you know evil could come into your face and you will say I know this is not it. If you didn't know your beleif would be instantly shattered and you will scare yourself into believing your beleif was not true. How can you have a beleif if Satan has you in his torture room? You wouldn't be able to deny it. We are talking about something more fundamental than beleif. You need to know thats stronger than beleif.

Edited February 7 by Hojo

[Leo Gura]

3 hours ago, TruthFreedom said:

Yeah this is where faith comes into the picture, which you have none of. Because having "belief" requires humbling yourself and taking a "leap of faith". 

This means looking beyond the self.

It could be possible that Heaven exists. 

Having faith means looking beyond your direct experience, and BELIEVING.

This is why religions talk about "believers", because "believing" is very important in this matter, which you completely ignore.

You don't need faith when you can have Consciousness.

Faith is fool's gold. Consciousness is actual gold.

Edited February 7 by Leo Gura