The Supremacy of Feeling

[Moon]

6 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

If you felt bad enough you would not be able to do anything: walk, talk, smile, eat, make money, socialize, and even think.

At some point you will feel so bad that your only option will be death.

Thank you. Disease is common from such extremely low emotional states too. 

Feelings are truly the drivers to whole different realities. Conversely, *imagine* the power you hold when you operate from higher emotional frequencies. Glimpses of the power of joyful and blissful states can’t be forgotten. 

Why everyone should prioritise consistently living in these higher feelings regardless of external circumstances (takes some patience and courage). Until your internal states are soon reflected back to you externally✨✨

 

[Leo Gura]

10 minutes ago, UnbornTao said:

Now, could feeling itself be based on a thought, just of a different kind than what's usually meant by "thought"?

Let's fork you in the foot and find out.

[Davino]

2 hours ago, Schizophonia said:

Probably the bacterial/viral strains differ depending on the country.

Sure they do, the biggest historical killer of the colonizations were not the militars or slave owners but the diseases that they brought to the new continent.

[UnbornTao]

15 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Let's fork you in the foot and find out.

Then, perhaps, we'd be mainly talking about sensation rather than feeling, although of course the latter would likely also occur. 

Presumably, other animal species would sense it, yet the various feelings that we, as humans, might associate with the sensation -- such as irritation, worry, despair, or being startled -- might not be produced by the animal. That might give us a hint as to the origin of feeling.

How can we clearly differentiate between sense, sensation, feeling, reaction, emotion, and state? Something to look into.

Edited Friday at 01:17 PM by UnbornTao

[Carl-Richard]

And before you know it, your life that you thought was amazing was fragile like a house of cards. The supremacy of ignorance, unpredictability, impermanence and change.

[hyruga]

2 hours ago, UnbornTao said:

Now, could feeling itself be based on a thought, just of a different kind than what's usually meant by "thought"?

Well, it depends on how one defines what are sensation, feelings and emotions? But these are all words invented by men. So they are also defined by men.

If your hand touch a hot iron accidentally, your hand will almost instantaneously move away from the hot iron. It's such a fast reaction that it's almost 'unconscious' and movement is immediate. Does it go through the brain to process and then return to the hand before you move off?

Does the cells on your hand have memories/karma/brains/sensation/feelings/emotions?

[Hojo]

@Leo Gura Are you saying that before a fish(just random) spawned eyes it felt like it needed to have them and then the body made them?

Or a lions feels hatred towards an animal before attacking it?

Edited Friday at 12:26 AM by Hojo

[Letho]

@Leo Gura you've made progrsss but you'll never see the forest through the trees on emotion and feeling until well, you invent a helicopter. All your present experience has informed you regarding the transcendental nature of either, is at best relating to your psychedelic experiences, however at best Leo, you'll have to concede that these experiences have not even translated into the theoretical foundation for the reconceptualisation of both through even analogy, I.e. well if I can experience a feelings and emotions through psychedelics, what does this potentially mean for the limits of phenomenological experiences therein and for I could learn to master across the rest of the potential terrain, and of what helicopter wingspan could that be?

I am sorry Leo, however your position of authority on energy much less emotions and feeling is no better than that of Donald Trump understanding the myriad of inner worlds of the American population and how to mediate unity through them, much less inclusive of all the divergent natures of the Canadian, Ukrainian and Russian populations together. At best, you have scientific, sociological and cultural advisors on this presidential issue as you've been trying to conceptualise via the second hand knowledge of your research on these areas, oblivious to both the spectrum of inner complexity you're yet to reach self knowledge about and totally dismissive due to your own unique brand of anthropomorphizing of others self knowledge whether trained or untrained, innately gifted in advanced areas of its advantages or not. Sorry Leo but neither your knowledge, my knowledge or sciences present knowledge as a consequence of sciences evolving nature is out on the full gestalt of human experience. 

I gave you very simple to comprehend understandings before and even now, at this temporal stage, you are still yet to either refute or adequately integrate into your paradigm of universal exploration. You cannot ignore this now, despite your efforts in aligning with the science that is purely predicated on preserving the average for the average to greater reinforce the average, you're just spreading misinformation by coming up with false equivalences by drawing totally simplistic analogies like "feelings are primitive because x" where by through same notion, when viewing thoughts at the same abstract paradigm, if you were trying to teach someone on a fragmented shape of thoughts, you could get them to buy into the idea that "thoughts are primitive because they create illusions", something as you know, other people struck by variants of the woke mind virus are victims to.

Leo in teaching areas around less knowledge, I must encourage you to take on more of a critical thinking stance rather than trying to teach in either the affirmative or the dismissal so you don't have to fall into either trap of either raising an idea or lowering one more than the value to do so serves the accuracy of the ethics underpinning the drive to begin with.

Edited Friday at 07:00 AM by Letho

[Letho]

@Leo Gura your epistemic rigidity blinds you to a fundamental truth mate, something that I haven't just spent a couple of hours or 'trips' on but over a thousand hours now in bioelectrical mastery, a completely new paradigm that I am originating with the help of intersecting sciences, and that is, that feeling-emotion is not primitive, it is a recursive, bioelectric interface between cognition and perception. The false dichotomy of ‘rational vs. feeling-emotional’ reflects an archaic hierarchy, you must meditate on this deeply, to start, imagine the universe as a completely fluid consciousness state where all its contents are simplistically denoted as 'information' where consciousness ascendence requires the integration of all its subsidiaries in a complementary not dichotomous fashion, once you practice this deeply, you'll understand that the spectrum of feeling and emotion are not only as important as thought, all three terrain have unchartered limits and abstract depth. Feeling-emotion, in its truly integrated sense in the alignment of where awareness meets perception and harmony meets the order of structured chaotic ascendence,  serves as the substrate for higher-order consciousness, expanding not only neural plasticity but the fundamental cells within the limbs of our greater nervous system, refining the clogging rift over our expansive experience from metacognitive modulation to metaconsciousness ascendence. You perceive feeling-emotion as secondary when,  in reality, it is the syntax through which deeper intelligence structures itself. My mastery of bioelectrical modulation has demonstrated this, each ascent in control correlates with an increased fidelity of emotional resonance, allowing cognition to integrate at scales beyond conventional neurotypical abstraction. Until you recognize this, until you cease mistaking intellectualization for comprehension, you remain bound by a truncated cognitive model; you've got to deepen your listening Leo at the feeling and emotional level, there are sensory maps here awaiting for your realisation that at a loss like a blindman that cannot see and therefore denies sight, misses out on an incredible phenomenlogical spectrum of enlightenment. For readers at large, true intelligence is not cold detachment nor reductionistic categorisations of our experiences into 'higher' or 'lower' but the precise harmonization of energetic, emotional, and logical coherence into 'higher' or 'lower' integration between all the categories of each individuals very, very unique phenomenology. Evolution is not a climb upward but an expansion outward and upward in ascendance of integration. Farewell, I'd prefer not to waste anymore time here. I thought I was understood the other day where this conversation straddled on comprehending morality by the same intersection, but still, I am not.

Edited Friday at 07:01 AM by Letho

[Leo Gura]

9 hours ago, Hojo said:

@Leo Gura Are you saying that before a fish(just random) spawned eyes it felt like it needed to have them and then the body made them?

Or a lions feels hatred towards an animal before attacking it?

No

[Vibes]

@Leo Gura Do you mean the feeling that physical reality is inside my mind, and I literally feel it in a deep way? Then more distinctions start to fragment, and then vision, hearing, bodily sensations, etc?

Like a baby has only unity, the feeling of oneness. 

Edited Friday at 11:53 AM by Vibes

[AION]

6 hours ago, Letho said:

@Leo Gura your epistemic rigidity blinds you to a fundamental truth mate, something that I haven't just spent a couple of hours or 'trips' on but over a thousand hours now in bioelectrical mastery, a completely new paradigm that I am originating with the help of intersecting sciences, and that is, that feeling-emotion is not primitive, it is a recursive, bioelectric interface between cognition and perception. The false dichotomy of ‘rational vs. feeling-emotional’ reflects an archaic hierarchy, you must meditate on this deeply, to start, imagine the universe as a completely fluid consciousness state where all its contents are simplistically denoted as 'information' where consciousness ascendence requires the integration of all its subsidiaries in a complementary not dichotomous fashion, once you practice this deeply, you'll understand that the spectrum of feeling and emotion are not only as important as thought, all three terrain have unchartered limits and abstract depth. Feeling-emotion, in its truly integrated sense in the alignment of where awareness meets perception and harmony meets the order of structured chaotic ascendence,  serves as the substrate for higher-order consciousness, expanding not only neural plasticity but the fundamental cells within the limbs of our greater nervous system, refining the clogging rift over our expansive experience from metacognitive modulation to metaconsciousness ascendence. You perceive feeling-emotion as secondary when,  in reality, it is the syntax through which deeper intelligence structures itself. My mastery of bioelectrical modulation has demonstrated this, each ascent in control correlates with an increased fidelity of emotional resonance, allowing cognition to integrate at scales beyond conventional neurotypical abstraction. Until you recognize this, until you cease mistaking intellectualization for comprehension, you remain bound by a truncated cognitive model; you've got to deepen your listening Leo at the feeling and emotional level, there are sensory maps here awaiting for your realisation that at a loss like a blindman that cannot see and therefore denies sight, misses out on an incredible phenomenlogical spectrum of enlightenment. For readers at large, true intelligence is not cold detachment nor reductionistic categorisations of our experiences into 'higher' or 'lower' but the precise harmonization of energetic, emotional, and logical coherence into 'higher' or 'lower' integration between all the categories of each individuals very, very unique phenomenology. Evolution is not a climb upward but an expansion outward and upward in ascendance of integration. Farewell, I'd prefer not to waste anymore time here. I thought I was understood the other day where this conversation straddled on comprehending morality by the same intersection, but still, I am not.

I kind of agree on this. His last video was basically a bastardization of the integral model by Wilber. It is still good but not cutting edge compared to the integral model for understanding perspectives. Another thing is that I find Leo’s videos very loosely tied together. 

Edited Friday at 01:08 PM by AION

[UnbornTao]

@Letho @AION zen sticks for you two.

[Davino]

On 6/2/2025 at 3:52 PM, Leo Gura said:

Note that in the evolution of living things, feeling was the first sense to evolve. Feeling is more primordial than vision, smell, hearing, taste. Cellular organisms can feel before than can see. In fact, all the other sense organs evolved out of feeling receptors. Your eyes literally "feel" photons. Your tongue "feels" food molecules.

That shows you how fundamental feeling is to survival. And why emotions override rationality and logic.

This is a killer insight. I wanted to give you proper credit. It explains why feeling is so fundamental.

[Letho]

On 7/2/2025 at 0:52 AM, Leo Gura said:

Note that in the evolution of living things, feeling was the first sense to evolve. Feeling is more primordial than vision, smell, hearing, taste. Cellular organisms can feel before than can see. In fact, all the other sense organs evolved out of feeling receptors. Your eyes literally "feel" photons. Your tongue "feels" food molecules.

That shows you how fundamental feeling is to survival. And why emotions override rationality and logic.

If you felt bad enough you would not be able to do anything: walk, talk, smile, eat, make money, socialize, and even think.

At some point you will feel so bad that your only option will be death.

 

One last point:

@Leo Gura On "And why emotions override rationality and logic":

As stated, until we find another model you must start from energy as information to begin with and information relative to consciousness as having levels of integration, where integration in our context is reflective of a triangle. The so called'primitive' emotions and feelings that are incorrectly denoted not only begin at the lowest level, however they're fundamental to the highest, differentiated only by levels of integration. I have spoken before about intelligence being reflective of in part, a 'compression algorithm' outside of my complementary insights there on 'meta-set-theory' being fundamental to intelligence at the cognitive level, however, analogously, this is operative to the performance of energy and our management of energy to emotions all the way to the full archway of their psychology back down to how that in return alters our sensory system, yes from apathy to excitement, one changes our epidemiology differently from the next, differentiated comparably in the same way by compression and their corresponding set theory. Compared to raw cognition, the difference is that energy to emotions in this case when it comes to utilizing from energy to sense to feeling to emotions to alchemy that transforms the body to our epigenetics is performative. It's an action we literally perform with consciousness, from dissmissal to the slow learning of full engagement to movement; hence recently shared notions between awareness and "ramachandran blueprint" in my journal. This is right across the nervous system, including to in the learning to regulate brainwaves and cell signalling within our very brain through conscious engineering alone through very sensitive, long winded hours of inward self-driven learning. Like a sliding scale, you can re-conceptualise levels of consciousness relative to levels of 'energetic integration' on this 'compression triangle' where energy, feeling, emotion and cognition are one in the same, where consciousness is the only differentiator, acting as the integrator that unifies, binds and raises in following its natural pattern towards 'higher' and 'growth' when directed by the intelligence of sentience, naturally, towards greater intelligence; its totally organic, its our truest path and the truest path of energy towards higher density information in this grace.

So its not that “why emotions override rationality and logic” but rather it’s about exploring the why they do, and from most average standpoints from the perspective of this model, it’s because they’re being experienced at a lower informational density level, awaiting a higher level of integration; that’s the language here of explaining higher vs lower evolved sentience. ‘Primitive’ because it now inherits a lower level cultural consciousness along with its use its best to avoid it.

[LoneWonderer]

On 07/02/2025 at 10:56 AM, Carl-Richard said:

And before you know it, your life that you thought was amazing was fragile like a house of cards. The supremacy of ignorance, unpredictability, impermanence and change.

Amen brother. 🙏