Theorizing Masculinity

[Schizophonia]

Leo has talked about masculinity here and there, even made videos about it, but he hasn't particularly tried to theorize it.
In fact, apart from psychoanalysts, I've never seen anyone who has done it.

Masculinity is a biological process, therefore "automatic", but it is also psycho-social normally driven by the normal environmental conditions to which a human is exposed in a Paleolithic tribe.

The masculinization process is mainly initiated by the Oedipus complex; it is an early childhood event common (even if forgotten/repressed) to the vast majority of people who grew up in a mononuclear family, of course in absolute terms each scenario is individual and will or will not cause anomalies in the process.

During early childhood you are in a fusional relationship with your mother, but the ego develops and in the sexualization of the libido (=set of impulses, to put it very simply) pushes you to compete with your father.
Seeing that the father is much stronger than you, and that you have (normally) a more or less favorable relationship with him, you decide (unconsciously) to accept finally not to be the phallus (the power, to put it simply) of substitution of the mother (the man) but also not to have it (the insignia of the phallus, that is to say the big car, the beard, the house ...) and, always in the logic of having the mother then a substitute (after internalization of the prohibition of incest) you will identify with the father to try to take his place.

The reason why you have so many non-masculine and immature people today, is that men have had, especially during their youth when they were developing and with the highest neuroplasticity, a bad relationship with their father or failing that the substitutes of this one (teachers, friends ...); And certainly a relationship too strong with their mother, often unsatisfied.
The more you are in this situation (it is a spectrum! we are all more or less in this case) the more you have not had to accept, overcome the cognitive dissonance of not being the substitute phallus of the mother; The direct consequence is a hatred (repressed) of the father (or substitutes) and an anxiety of being castrated by this one of the imaginary phallus, because of the Oedipal temptation.

What we call masculinity is essentially about abandoning the imaginary phallus (the illusionary power that comes from the fusional relationship of early childhood, = primary then secondary narcicism) for the symbolic phallus (the one that is real, palpable) and the supremacy of the symbolic order as a general rule in the relationship to reality.

Technically it is about the heart of maturation in general, but women (or men who are too neurotic and regressive) are closer to the child and have one foot in the imaginary.

If you cannot overcome the attachment to the imaginary phallus, then the castration anxiety of this phallus will induce regressive defense mechanisms, as well as a fight against these defense mechanisms by the superego and the ego:

Men who are completely in denial of castration anxiety can be hysterical, but in the other case the spectrum of defense mechanisms is gathered in the principle of obsessive neurosis, we are all more or less neurotic, men and women (hysterical in their case, generally) and this is once again the main obstacle to masculinization (because it induces feminization by refusal of the symbolic order) or simply being a normal functional adult:

The inclination to be passive and to "live in loops", in a repetitive way, is the main symptom: the objective of this tendency is to avoid realizing that you are fundamentally nobody, which is threatening to your ego if it has structured around the imaginary phallus.
Spirituality is full of neurotic people, because it is often, unconsciously, about proving to oneself that one has the imaginary phallus.
The reason why you run after mystical experiences, that you take lots of psychedelics, that you have a spiritually connoted avatar etcetc. can (I'm not saying that it is the case) be a strategy to deny the needs or even rather the inclination in search of the symbolic penis (money, car, women, children, sports, activity including spirituality, spirituality of course).

Very neurotic people also often have BDSM fantasies, the submissive (usually a man) unconsciously does not want to have to fantasize, to give himself to a woman he judges too inferior according to the belief system of the moment even if it is normally the most obvious choice, and will prefer to be dominated, even if it is less obvious and more masturbatory, by a "bigger phallus" with which he can identify. The dominant is usually a woman, hysterical, who cannot bear to confront the idea of having to enjoy being sexually dominated by an inferior man. This is why people with lots of tattoos, a big beard, who are on steroids etc. are associated with neurosis or even repressed homosexuality; In the same logic as women who add things to themselves (long hair, long and colored nails, long black eyelashes, dresses, suspenders) it is a question of tacitly signaling wanting to be the gear, the proxy, and therefore submissive of stronger egregors.
A normally developed man will prefer to castrate himself (shave his head, dress simply in monochrome) because he does not seek to present himself as someone who looks "upwards", but rather as someone who looks "downwards" and serve as an anchor for a woman, children, his business...

I myself had some a little sadistic fantasies when I was on testosterone cream, probably because it increased my estrogen, made me anxious, and triggered this process. My fetishs have always been quite normal lol, apart from that but the biggest neurosis syndrome in me was the inclination to think all the time rather than act to the point of causing insomnia; Insomnia pushed me to learn to forcibly suppress the imaginary phallus; When you are insomniac, to suppress anxiety, you have to go to bed assuming that maybe you will not sleep and therefore ruin your life, and only then paradoxically you can fall asleep, you can no longer allow yourself to be too much in the imagination. Nevermind.

The masculine character comes directly from the acceptance of embodying "the big fish in the small pond", rather than "the small fish in the big pond"; The first configuration is where there is the most pride and enjoyment, but can in a neurotic configuration trigger a narcissistic rage, because it requires no longer identifying with "the big rich pond" and to concentrate on supervising what is underneath and that one can really control (symbolic phallus).

To give a recent example common to the people here, @NoSelfSelf typically got banned for refusing to enter the symbolic order.
That is to say that to be able to play the moderator (= symbolic phallus) you must accept that there are rules (be professional, stoic...) which automatically castrates you from the imaginary phallus (= childish omnipotence).
@Leo Gura(who tends to play a "super phallic" character btw) criticized NoSelfSelf for being too aggressive (because of the projection of the anxiety of confronting castration by the father, when you are castrated from the imaginary phallus, that you are finally in reality, there is no longer really any reason to be aggressive, because you recognize your potential impotence in the other, you recognize the supremacy of symbolic order).
I don't even say @NoSelfSelf is particularly neurotic, we all do, in different ways and to different degrees, the point is that the regressive trend generated a situation where he unfortunately had to get banned.

To conclude, to become masculine and mature in general, you simply have to start generating things, seek to create.
But to become holy, you must accept to be only (=castration of the imaginary phallus), that is to say to be "only" the grocer, the guy who tries to lose weight, the one who has an account on a forum etcetc; In other words the one who looks "down".
The less you accept these solitudes, the more you will be tempted to regress libininally and without going into details end up with the "typical immature behavior".

Edited February 4 by Schizophonia

[Rafael Thundercat]

This is the phallic perspective of things. 

[Sugarcoat]

How am I gonna be able to study nutrition if I can't even get this

[Sugarcoat]

It was a very cool text even if I don’t get the concepts. Were you able to write this because you have studied the concepts from various teachers?

[Aaron p]

Super important to investigate questions like these around males and men. Very dangerous to not. Failing to understand the requirements of male evolution can result in massive unhealthy Tate styled overextensions in a compensating manner.  (Ok I'm about to say something that may slightly triggering for some about modern gender equality, I say this with depth and nuance) currently modern society's energetic body is doing its own reactionary compensation after thousands of years of unquestioned dominance of females and non-caucasian persons. The problem is the pendulum is now swinging too far in the other direction imo. Like I know gender dysphoria exists but I seriously doubt that I can literally and objectively and definitively become a female just by changing my mind as I sit here. I see certain truths behind it...like how the god in each of us is gender neutral, and that genetics are isolated things and they may very well be able to do full removal and replacement of male and female genetics possibly in the future. I know there are edge cases too. And it's obviously stupid to ostracise people for any reason (within reason)..but (and I'm just asking the question from a neutral philosophical perspective) does this mean that we can start encouraging young kids to change genders (whatever that even means)? 

Like when I investigate closely the whole area of sexuality and gender changes (and masculinity and femininity)...there is without doubt major major confusion especially within young adults and teenagers. Like young guys who think they're gay and they're actually just fucked up from porn and modern sexualised ideology. This is obviously a little sensitive to say anywhere these days, but I would place money on the fact that if anyone investigates this with enough honesty they will find similar instances that would not be uncommon. It's almost like society is trying to emasculate men to such a degree that they are getting confused as fuck and then eventually they develop extremely unhealthy secret coping mechanisms or worse...fucking shoot up a school or something shit. 

Society is definitely targeting masculinity at this point in history.

[Schizophonia]

5 hours ago, Sugarcoat said:

How am I gonna be able to study nutrition if I can't even get this

Thank you for taking pity on my "1 reply" 😂

Dw nutrition is probably simpler than psychoanalysis, it's more about memory.

Health care professions are above all a question of memory in general.

5 hours ago, Sugarcoat said:

It was a very cool text even if I don’t get the concepts. Were you able to write this because you have studied the concepts from various teachers?

Yes exactly, i have read a certain number of articles on psychoanalysis and excerpts from reference psychoanalysts here and there.
Freud, Lacan, Richard Abibon, and a bit of Jung.

[Sugarcoat]

2 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

Thank you for taking pity on my "1 reply" 😂

Dw nutrition is probably simpler than psychoanalysis, it's more about memory.

Health care professions are above all a question of memory in general.

No problem 

Okay good

2 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

 

Yes exactly, i have read a certain number of articles on psychoanalysis and excerpts from reference psychoanalysts here and there.
Freud, Lacan, Richard Abibon, and a bit of Jung.

Yea you must have in order to write this

[Schizophonia]

14 minutes ago, Aaron p said:

Super important to investigate questions like these around males and men. Very dangerous to not. Failing to understand the requirements of male evolution can result in massive unhealthy Tate styled overextensions in a compensating manner.  (Ok I'm about to say something that may slightly triggering for some about modern gender equality, I say this with depth and nuance) currently modern society's energetic body is doing its own reactionary compensation after thousands of years of unquestioned dominance of females and non-caucasian persons. The problem is the pendulum is now swinging too far in the other direction imo. Like I know gender dysphoria exists but I seriously doubt that I can literally and objectively and definitively become a female just by changing my mind as I sit here. I see certain truths behind it...like how the god in each of us is gender neutral, and that genetics are isolated things and they may very well be able to do full removal and replacement of male and female genetics possibly in the future. I know there are edge cases too. And it's obviously stupid to ostracise people for any reason (within reason)..but (and I'm just asking the question from a neutral philosophical perspective) does this mean that we can start encouraging young kids to change genders (whatever that even means)? 

Like when I investigate closely the whole area of sexuality and gender changes (and masculinity and femininity)...there is without doubt major major confusion especially within young adults and teenagers. Like young guys who think they're gay and they're actually just fucked up from porn and modern sexualised ideology. This is obviously a little sensitive to say anywhere these days, but I would place money on the fact that if anyone investigates this with enough honesty they will find similar instances that would not be uncommon. It's almost like society is trying to emasculate men to such a degree that they are getting confused as fuck and then eventually they develop extremely unhealthy secret coping mechanisms or worse...fucking shoot up a school or something shit. 

Society is definitely targeting masculinity at this point in history.

I don't want to hurt "transgender" people, but yes, from what I know it is probably a mental illness. Most leftists will refuse to even admit the possibility that it is true either by post-modern dogmatism, or simply by projection of their cowardice, their inability to work on themselves, even if it will obviously be denied.

[Aaron p]

8 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

I don't want to hurt "transgender" people, but yes, from what I know it is probably a mental illness. Most leftists will refuse to even admit the possibility that it is true either by post-modern dogmatism, or simply by projection of their cowardice, their inability to work on themselves, even if it will obviously be denied.

I think it's Ultimately going in the right direction (the direction of inclusivism, acceptance, neurodiversity, abstraction, progressivism and more open mindedness). I think it's quite obvious what's happening in American ATM is a reaction to the (let's call it) "over-abstraction" of gender identity and masculinity and femininity. Extreme left has for sure weaponise sexuality and gender... big time...

[Hojo]

This is very interesting, I will contemplate why I reach for a phallus I do not own. My parents divorced very early I will think about this. Ty

Do you think The only reason we masterbate which can be seen as the imaginary phallus that it is because of these mental problems? Since we are nothing and should have no thoughts or be attached to the thoughts of sex that we act out after the thought, that it should be assume I think that anytime we want to touch ourselves is because we have parental issues.

Edited February 6 by Hojo

[Ramanujan]

Best Book on Masculinity is way of men by jack donovan

 

Jack donovan has the best explanation on masculinity

[Sandhu]

Masculinity is influenced by hajovinacial process of desemportia

[Schizophonia]

13 hours ago, Hojo said:

This is very interesting, I will contemplate why I reach for a phallus I do not own. My parents divorced very early I will think about this. Ty

Do you think The only reason we masterbate which can be seen as the imaginary phallus that it is because of these mental problems?

Thanks.

Indeed the reason why you masturbate literally as well as figuratively (cigarette, food, watching videos on youtube, going on the forum very often) is to avoid a feeling of lack/emptiness; This emptiness corresponds to castration.

You must accept castration otherwise you will refuse to contemplate that you lack healthy things (money, career, relationships, sport, health...) and that you have work to do.
Otherwise you will seek to fill yourself urgently with drugs, undesirable behavior and neurotic behavior in general; Just like a ostrich who puts her head in the sand or a child who shouts "lalalalalala I can't hear" while covering her ears.

What I call the symbolic phallus are what are considered as objects of desire (that is to say of power, unconsciously) by a normally constructed psyche (money, career, sport, women, cars...); If we had all fully integrated the supremacy of the symbolic order, there would probably be no one on this forum lol and we would all be working, picking up, and doing the "obvious" things to have more (more phallus).

And the imaginary phallus is the one whose constitution is generated by non-acceptance and therefore castration anxiety; Since you refuse to look at the nullity of your life because it is too violent, humiliating, that you are lost etc (=castration) then once again you fall back on stupid objects.

Neurosis is a normal and omnipresent process to varying degrees, it is a kind of "temporization". Anxious people, who have been more damaged by life, or simply who have been too accustomed to sources of easy pleasure will be more neurotic.

In case it was not clear by "imaginary" I am not talking about the nature of the object, like a car in the imagination would be the imaginary phallus and a car in reality would be a symbolic car; It does not concern the object but the sexual drive, the energy that wants to bring the phallus.
What I mean through this dichotomy is that if what is best, a priori, for your ego, is to go rock climbing but you prefer (I am talking about drive again, so if it is because you are handicapped it is another story) to smoke joints all day, the drug represents the imaginary phallus (which gives you a temporary feeling of power, because you are too lazy and/or fearful to choose escalation, = castration anxiety, the real goal, what is really considered the (symbolic) phallus by your ego.)) and the climbing the symbolic phallus (which the ego really would wants, target).
I said joins but but maybe a healthy habit like bodybuilding, bodybuilding is sometimes if not often motivated by neurosis (fear of not being attractive enough, = castration anxiety).

 

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Since we are nothing and should have no thoughts or be attached to the thoughts of sex that we act out after the thought, that it should be assume I think that anytime we want to touch ourselves is because we have parental issues.

You want to jerk off imagining a pretty girl in your class because it makes you feel like you have a phallus (=power).
So far it's real, you really do have the phallus (=symbolic phallus).

But the real question is, wouldn't you rather have a partner or stay chaste for some reason?
If the answer is true then the real phallus (the real object of satisfaction) is a woman, like actually making love, and jerking off while imagining fucking is a false phallus (=imaginary phallus) to avoid the pain of not having the "real" one and of having to make an effort. It's all a question of point of view.

From this point of view, yes masturbation is rather a neurotic practice.

Mea culpa if I repeat myself lol 😅, it's my habit.

Edited February 6 by Schizophonia

[TruthFreedom]

Look at you all, you're all so intellectual.

Bet you all just wish you had a big dick instead... like I do.

😁

[Schizophonia]

6 minutes ago, TruthFreedom said:

Look at you all, you're all so intellectual.

Bet you all just wish you had a big dick instead... like I do.

😁

Fake you are no match for Willy.

[TruthFreedom]

7 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

Fake you are no match for Willy.

Has this what the forum has degraded to?

Comparing sizes?

Well I'm up for it.

[The Crocodile]

Show proof.

[Schizophonia]

9 minutes ago, TruthFreedom said:

Has this what the forum has degraded to?

Comparing sizes?

Well I'm up for it.

Willy is of normal size but he is an effective gladiator.

 

Not ready.

[TruthFreedom]

I'm sure showing a dick pic is against the rules.

🤣🤣🤣

[The Crocodile]

1 minute ago, TruthFreedom said:

I'm sure showing a dick pic is against the rules.

🤣🤣🤣

@Carl-Richard Is this true?