If people don't care about Awakening why are Buddha, Krishna, and Christ popular?

[LambdaDelta]

20 minutes ago, Daniel Balan said:

Damn. I just can't wrap my mind around this God concept. I don't understand what is more to understand about God! To me breathing air and looking at a tree or being completely immersed in the present moment is the furthest God realization I could ever experience! What is there more to experience than being alive and observing the mother nature? How much more God could I experience than this? To me complete awareness of all of your bodily senses is the MAXIMUM you could do to experience God! What else is there to do? I'm genuinely curious! 

Being conscious of how you Will every single of those air molecules you're breathing into being is a good start. 

[gengar]

49 minutes ago, Daniel Balan said:

Damn. I just can't wrap my mind around this God concept. I don't understand what is more to understand about God! To me breathing air and looking at a tree or being completely immersed in the present moment is the furthest God realization I could ever experience! What is there more to experience than being alive and observing the mother nature? How much more God could I experience than this? To me complete awareness of all of your bodily senses is the MAXIMUM you could do to experience God! What else is there to do? I'm genuinely curious! 

You can realize that none of those things ever existed, that your conscious experience never happened to you.

[Alexop]

@Davino Good remark!. The true self was able to see the light even if obstructed by layers upn layers of mud. But eventually, their teachings got corrupted and led to misery for many, but still better than adopting some other even more toxic ideologies in order to pass through Stage Blue.

[Princess Arabia]

3 hours ago, Daniel Balan said:

But why does one need to pursue God? I feel like pursuing God is no different that trying to pursue your foot! It is already there right under your nose. Isn't God everything ? isn't me messaging you on this forum also God? Isn't my laptop and my fingers typing these words God? I feel like the pursuit of God is redundant. Echart Tolle said it best. God is the now! And you can't find the needle in the haystack because you are both the needle and the haystack. Everything you need to do to experience God is to realize that reality is a Big Picture and you are one with it. You trying to find particularities within the picture is redundant due to the fact that even the particularity you find, it is still encompassed within the big picture which is reality. 

6 hours ago, Salvijus said:

 

What are you talking about. What will be left for the mind to do. It needs to feel worthwhile and needs to pursue. It will never find what it's looking for because it's what's looking, but that doesn't matter as long as it's looking for something. There's nothing that can be done about it either until the seeking tires itself out or it just dies. It's called the pursuit of God by God. How can one stop that. God can't even stop it because that implies separation. God isn't separate from itself only appears to be, so in that way it's not really pursuing anything it's just an appearance of such. IOW, it doesn't matter if there's an apparent pursuit or not because it's pursuit pursuing which is also God. If God is everything and there is no separation, then what are we pursuing, like you said, but our own tails. Reality is a strange loop, no.

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[Davino]

4 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Because in the end God is the highest pursuit and purpose. Nothing else really matters. You can't compare God with shooting golf balls or making money. The promise of God is very enticing beyond material rewards.

Got it

4 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

When all these religions were founded humans were much less materialistic, capitalistic, pop-cultural. There was little to do other than God, family, and farming.

Interesting, I never saw it from that angle

[Davino]

2 hours ago, Aaron p said:

When people don't want to face annihilation themselves they just slap a poster of Jesus or buddha up on their wall and think "Ahh I'm spiritual" 

I've just slapped a painting of The Buddha in my new apartment

[Davino]

5 hours ago, LambdaDelta said:

Because their 'aura' is so intense it penetrates through the fat devil that everyone is straight to the God within, making a temporary divine connection, which is transformative, even if you later slip back into ego dynamics.

I agree, there's something special about meeting a saint IRL

5 hours ago, LambdaDelta said:

The geniuses and rulers invent and enable material prosperity, which's great, but not what people truly want, so it ends up being taken for granted. Also they build on top of one another, while awakening only requires one's own mind.

It's true that with geniuses is more about what they do and give to the world than themselves. 

Their inventions and insight are impersonal and evolve beyond themselves in a chain like fashion. It's a contribution to the body of Knowledge at the end of the day. That puts it into perspective.

5 hours ago, LambdaDelta said:

It's not that people don't care about awakening and God per se, it just seems so outlandish, difficult, and scary, that most take the more 'reasonable/grounded' path of attaining happiness through material pursuits, which counter-intuitively gets them nowhere. To care about Truth requires a certain degree of innate intuition, wisdom, and also faith. Or a radical experience that transforms you and sets you on the path. 

Awakening is that which you didn't know you desperately needed.

[Davino]

3 hours ago, Nemra said:

I'm excited and can't wait to try psychedelics in about 3 weeks.

Enjoy, take it slow and steady!

[Davino]

2 hours ago, gengar said:

Sufism, although being less dogmatic on theology, has an extreme hierarchical system of master-students just like Hindu guru systems.

Oh, you mean like all jobs for millenia but the last century?

2 hours ago, gengar said:

Because of their lenient theology they also are filled with conspiracy bullshit and the like. They are more moral and spiritual than Wahhabis but still incredibly deluded.

A trade off that developing open minds have.

2 hours ago, gengar said:

In an ironic sense Wahhabis actually have a strict aversion to any superstition aside from the Quran and Hadith, and revert to strict materialism, scientism and naive realism outside of them. It's like they pick one fairytale and moral system and that's it. 

Exactly, that proves my point about low and high perspectives

2 hours ago, gengar said:

However Sufis are of course very different from each other unlike Wahhabis. There are many different Sufi strands, some with less bs than others. But the majority of Sufi followers are like the new-age of Islam with their fantasies.

In the same way, that there are different quality branches within a religion, within each branch there are different quality perspectives.

The best Sufist will always be better than the best Wahhabist.

Height is relative to the point of measure and all perspectives present unique blindspots.

 

[Davino]

2 hours ago, Daniel Balan said:

Damn. I just can't wrap my mind around this God concept. I don't understand what is more to understand about God! To me breathing air and looking at a tree or being completely immersed in the present moment is the furthest God realization I could ever experience! What is there more to experience than being alive and observing the mother nature? How much more God could I experience than this? To me complete awareness of all of your bodily senses is the MAXIMUM you could do to experience God! What else is there to do? I'm genuinely curious! 

Take 5meos and you'll see how Godly you can BE

[Nemra]

@Davino, will do!

Edited 11 minutes ago by Nemra

[Davino]

@Nemra Hands down the best thing that ever happened in my life was to discover psychedelics and in particular 5meos.

[integration journey]

21 minutes ago, Davino said:

@Nemra Hands down the best thing that ever happened in my life was to discover psychedelics and in particular 5meos.

Just out of curiosity, have you tried 5-Meo-mipt and do you have any impressions from it? 

[LambdaDelta]

23 minutes ago, Davino said:

@Nemra Hands down the best thing that ever happened in my life was to discover psychedelics and in particular 5meos.

The 5-MeO baggie must make your gf jealous

[Ishanga]

Buddha is popular because many millions of ppl immigrated from India and the East to the West and brought him with them..

Same with Christ and since America uses Christianity as a benchmark of sorts (ppl swear on the bible, and swear to God in Government, etc) and he is the centerpoint of Christianity, he is super popular because of that, but organized Religion is decreasing in popularity and Spirituality, Eastern methods of Enlightenment are rising up..

My Understanding is the Buddhism and Yoga have given rise the most Enlightened Beings of any organized anything,,, Religion is cheap psychiatry and an easy way to keep the society in line somewhat, using Sin and Damnation in Hell as a way for ppl to not go too far or otherwise face the wrath of some God, but that is lessening big time as generations go by...

 

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[Carl-Richard]

Cuz awakening, morality and street cred often go together. People generally like you when you're high consciousness. It's just sometimes people don't like or understand what you're saying. But they like what you're doing.

[Terell Kirby]

6 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

It's the difference between reading about billionaires and being a billionaire.

Well said

[BlessedLion]

13 hours ago, Davino said:

I was thinking what are the most famous individuals on planet earth's history? I was surprised to see the obvious fact that nobody remembers the great kings, celebrities or even geniuses quite much.

How much time do you spend thinking about Julius Caesar Augustus, Abraham Lincoln, Leonardo da Vinci or Euler?

Not very much and most people don't care either.

Yet, what about those beings that wanted to Awaken, become more conscious, unite with God and find Truth? We see that they are still very relevant in the lifes of millions of people around the world.

Individuals like Christ, Buddha, Krishna, Muhammad, Abraham, Mahavira or Adi Shankara are the most popular, even shaping the worldview of almost all Humanity, quite literally.

Which then resulted in a gross contradiction in my understanding of humanity. If I see that humans don't really care about Awakening or God, why then those who have attained Great Awakening and God-Union are the most worshiped, glorified and remembered?

I'm quite uncertain and ask for your understanding on the question.

As a preliminary answer, it seems that despite the human ego and layers of delusion, there is a calling in each finite figment of Reality to reunite and realize its always already True Infinite nature.

Because deep down it’s what everyone truly longs for. There’s no escaping it 

 

All material, romantic, drug, sex pursuits are just a form of the pursuit of God, dissolution, Love. Most people just don’t know that actually going straight for God is an option. 
 

When we see or hear about people who attained our highest aspirations Love, Peace, and Fearlessness unconditionally it is much more inspiring than any egotistical king, celebrity, or war lord. 
 

In this way reality is fair in that the Truth wins, it’s the highest valued thing whether we will admit or not. 
 

Drake Taylor Swift Trump will all be as relevant as cat shit in a few decades. Christ will never become irrelevant 

[BlessedLion]

6 hours ago, Davino said:

Take 5meos and you'll see how Godly you can BE

I know we’ve had this conversation a few times Davino, but why the need for 5MEO to see your own Godliness? 
 

What about the path of natural awakening through yoga, contemplation and meditation? 
 

Then you can naturally begin to manifest as God in day to day life. Not just while being high on a chemical. 

[BlessedLion]

12 hours ago, Davino said:

From your answers, I found another way to frame it:

At the core of every person lies an existential emptiness that only Awakening can satisfy. While people seek various means to fill this void, it's essential to recognize that not all that shines is Gold and even in Gold there are different karats, aka levels of Spirituality, Awakening and God-Realization.

That’s fucking genius, well put