A Christian "defends" his belief about God

[Elliott]

3 hours ago, gettoefl said:

God is whence I come. God is the oneness that you and I are. God is the creator, the cause of all and the changeless center of eternity.

God is not a belief. God is not an idea, God is not a form. God is the only reality there is. The timeless unwavering Love for all in all and to all. God is in front of your eyes every moment but you choose to see what you want instead.

For me my job is to focus on God not the illusion and the illness and desperation of those around me.

When I become a light unto myself then I will shine a light unto others so that they too might waken to the truth.

If any of this is resonating, check out Jesus' latest communication known as A Course in Miracles which jibes with most of what I say; Christians won't appreciate however.

If God is everything then does anything matter? I presume you're believing in a purpose to your life, the reason for you to follow this God, or is there no reason to follow God? I don't understand what the point of your God is, is it just comfort? How would your life be different if you did not know this God?

[gettoefl]

38 minutes ago, Elliott said:

If God is everything then does anything matter? I presume you're believing in a purpose to your life, the reason for you to follow this God, or is there no reason to follow God? I don't understand what the point of your God is, is it just comfort? How would your life be different if you did not know this God?

Everything matters. You are here for a reason. Every moment your embrace that or repudiate it.

To follow God is the only happiness. Happiness isn't a reality in this world. You cannot be happy here. You will die soon and soon be forgotten.

The point of God is that I am its finest day's work, the apple of its eye, the most precious beloved. I am here to align with its will which is of course my will too. My wishes are the opposite of my will. I am here to shine light to a universe bereft of light. God endows me with all power and majesty and glory and the work is already done. There is no time, this is just one stray thought I chose to entertain in the eternal infinite timelessness.

Nobody knows God until someone jolts them. The memory of God is alive inside everyone but it buried beneath so much detritus that it takes someone outside to get us to behold the treasure within.

[Elliott]

10 minutes ago, gettoefl said:

Everything matters. You are here for a reason. Every moment your embrace that or repudiate it.

To follow God is the only happiness. Happiness isn't a reality in this world. You cannot be happy here. You will die soon and soon be forgotten.

The point of God is that I am its finest day's work, the apple of its eye, the most precious beloved. I am here to align with its will which is of course my will too. My wishes are the opposite of my will. I am here to shine light to a universe bereft of light. God endows me with all power and majesty and glory and the work is already done. There is no time, this is just one stray thought I chose to entertain in the eternal infinite timelessness.

Nobody knows God until someone jolts them. The memory of God is alive inside everyone but it buried beneath so much detritus that it takes someone outside to get us to behold the treasure within.

If God is everything, how could you not follow God, even 'evil' doings would be God, is it even possible to not follow God?

Would you also follow this God if it didn't bring you happiness?

[gettoefl]

2 hours ago, Elliott said:

If God is everything, how could you not follow God, even 'evil' doings would be God, is it even possible to not follow God?

Would you also follow this God if it didn't bring you happiness?

Everything one does is perfect but one knows it not and judges oneself and others who do likewise evil and wicked and damned.

Every person is doing their exact best according to their pain and their level of consciousness. They can do nothing else. They need to be told how loved they are regardless.

Judgement is the only sin. God has never known judgement. Everything it makes is flawless and divine.

God can only know happiness and peace and love. To think one could exist otherwise is madness. Trying to find happiness here is a fool's errand as everyone eventually discovers. Everyone is coming home, all that is questionable is when. How many more life times do I want to waste?

Edited Saturday at 04:28 PM by gettoefl

[Elliott]

2 hours ago, gettoefl said:

Everything one does is perfect but one knows it not and judges oneself and others who do likewise evil and wicked and damned.

Every person is doing their exact best according to their pain and their level of consciousness. They can do nothing else. They need to be told how loved they are regardless.

Judgement is the only sin. God has never known judgement. Everything it makes is flawless and divine.

God can only know happiness and peace and love. To think one could exist otherwise is madness. Trying to find happiness here is a fool's errand as everyone eventually discovers. Everyone is coming home, all that is questionable is when. How many more life times do I want to waste?

So if someone is happy without acknowledging God, what would you say to them? "You're not truly happy"?
What would the difference be between following God, and just doing what makes you happy without thinking about God? What's the point of focusing on God at all? Say someone just appreciates being and what is happening around them, why do they need to know about God?

 

2 hours ago, gettoefl said:

Everything one does is perfect but one knows it not and judges oneself and others who do likewise evil and wicked and damned.

Every person is doing their exact best according to their pain and their level of consciousness. They can do nothing else. They need to be told how loved they are regardless.

Judgement is the only sin. God has never known judgement. Everything it makes is flawless and divine.

 

Is the following not judgment?

2 hours ago, gettoefl said:

Trying to find happiness here is a fool's errand as everyone eventually discovers. Everyone is coming home, all that is questionable is when. How many more life times do I want to waste?

 

[gettoefl]

1 hour ago, Elliott said:

So if someone is happy without acknowledging God, what would you say to them? "You're not truly happy"?
What would the difference be between following God, and just doing what makes you happy without thinking about God? What's the point of focusing on God at all? Say someone just appreciates being and what is happening around them, why do they need to know about God?

 

Is the following not judgment?

 

God has no desire for acknowledgement. God's nature is to love everything and create everything as loving it back. That's how it makes everyone. You don't need to even think about God. God is well beyond any thought you can have. Mind is what leads you astray, the state of no-mind is what needs cultivating. This means alignment with Holy Spirit, one's Higher Self. This takes place by silence, meditation, mindfulness, contemplation, etc. Basically it is letting God take the wheel of life instead of the ego. Following is just knowing and living as one's true nature, a beautiful child of the ineffable Creator.

[Elliott]

1 hour ago, gettoefl said:

You don't need to even think about God. God is well beyond any thought you can have. Mind is what leads you astray, the state of no-mind is what needs cultivating. 

Then what is the point of the name God, if it's not thinking about God? Just a name for what you don't understand, how you don't understand how everything is created? Sort of just giving up and co-opting the name God used by superstitious cultures?

 

1 hour ago, gettoefl said:

God has no desire for acknowledgement. God's nature is to love everything and create everything as loving it back. That's how it makes everyone. You don't need to even think about God. God is well beyond any thought you can have. Mind is what leads you astray, the state of no-mind is what needs cultivating. This means alignment with Holy Spirit, one's Higher Self. This takes place by silence, meditation, mindfulness, contemplation, etc. Basically it is letting God take the wheel of life instead of the ego. Following is just knowing and living as one's true nature, a beautiful child of the ineffable Creator.

Would it have been more confusing for Jesus to just explain things this way rather than using the term father when referring to god, and heaven as a place rather than a state of being? It seems to me his rhetoric is more confusing and unbelievable than yours, to me it even seems misleading, like it would leave people in confusion for 2,000 years killing other people that claim another father God. Your rhetoric is simple and straight to the point.

 

[gettoefl]

11 hours ago, Elliott said:

Then what is the point of the name God, if it's not thinking about God? Just a name for what you don't understand, how you don't understand how everything is created? Sort of just giving up and co-opting the name God used by superstitious cultures?

 

Would it have been more confusing for Jesus to just explain things this way rather than using the term father when referring to god, and heaven as a place rather than a state of being? It seems to me his rhetoric is more confusing and unbelievable than yours, to me it even seems misleading, like it would leave people in confusion for 2,000 years killing other people that claim another father God. Your rhetoric is simple and straight to the point.

 

We do need words and names to communicate. It's like when you are in relationship with someone; at first their name means everything. Later you don't even think of their name. Mind cannot understand. Mind is a barrier to understanding. Mind pretends to understands and likes to feel smart. All minds do this and can do no else. Words are useful until they have no use. When you want you foot to move forwards, do you need words to tell it so. Same with God, we are one and all is clear.

Jesus needed to communicate in terms that the people 2000 years ago could grasp. He had to be extremely careful in his teachings. All his teachings make abundant sense to one who is awakened. One caveat is that sometimes his words were distorted to fit the prevailing doctrines. Two things that are important about Jesus: one he showed that death has no power and two he was the first man who saw the face of God in every person he looked at and because of that he was able to perform miracles and forgive misdeeds. We are told to go out and do likewise. The highest teaching of Jesus imo is the gospel of Thomas recently dictated by an angel of God called Pursah:

https://www.garyrenard.com/pgoth.html

[Elliott]

5 hours ago, gettoefl said:

We do need words and names to communicate. It's like when you are in relationship with someone; at first their name means everything. Later you don't even think of their name. Mind cannot understand. Mind is a barrier to understanding. Mind pretends to understands and likes to feel smart. All minds do this and can do no else. Words are useful until they have no use. When you want you foot to move forwards, do you need words to tell it so. Same with God, we are one and all is clear.

Jesus needed to communicate in terms that the people 2000 years ago could grasp. He had to be extremely careful in his teachings. All his teachings make abundant sense to one who is awakened. One caveat is that sometimes his words were distorted to fit the prevailing doctrines. Two things that are important about Jesus: one he showed that death has no power and two he was the first man who saw the face of God in every person he looked at and because of that he was able to perform miracles and forgive misdeeds. We are told to go out and do likewise. The highest teaching of Jesus imo is the gospel of Thomas recently dictated by an angel of God called Pursah:

https://www.garyrenard.com/pgoth.html

But do you understand what God is, can you explain it, or is God used as a term meaning what you don't understand and can't explain? You say creator, but do you understand how God is the creator, or are you just admitting it's just a hopeful belief and that you don't actually know or understand, the term God is just a placeholder for what is not understood?

 

ETA; What exactly are you trying to communicate with the word 'God'?

Edited Sunday at 03:20 PM by Elliott

[gettoefl]

1 hour ago, Elliott said:

But do you understand what God is, can you explain it, or is God used as a term meaning what you don't understand and can't explain? You say creator, but do you understand how God is the creator, or are you just admitting it's just a hopeful belief and that you don't actually know or understand, the term God is just a placeholder for what is not understood?

 

ETA; What exactly are you trying to communicate with the word 'God'?

One cannot know God because that would make God dualistic. One can only be part of God. And therein lies the work. To dissolve the apparent separation and return to heaven. Best way to think of God is love. But love far different from that experienced here. Love means you and I are the same and therefore I should act as though you were a connected piece of me, a long lost limb if you will.

Edited Sunday at 03:37 PM by gettoefl

[Elliott]

10 minutes ago, gettoefl said:

One cannot know God because that would make God dualistic. One can only be part of God. And therein lies the work. To dissolve the apparent separation and return to heaven. Best way to think of God is love. But love far different from that experienced here. Love means you and I are the same and therefore I should act as though you were a connected piece of me, a long lost limb if you will.

You don't claim to know God or know what God is?

[gettoefl]

38 minutes ago, Elliott said:

You don't claim to know God or know what God is?

Knowledge is impossible with a limited mind. Have faith. Which means to be rid of all knowledge that you have. Then realization can happen. With the mind one can know about God such as loving, creative, eternal, joyful etc. but that is all

[Elliott]

32 minutes ago, gettoefl said:

With the mind one can know about God such as loving, creative, eternal, joyful etc. but that is all

Can you know that those are from God? Or are you just using the term God as a name for what everything comes from, something you don't understand?

[gettoefl]

26 minutes ago, Elliott said:

Can you know that those are from God? Or are you just using the term God as a name for what everything comes from, something you don't understand?

All mystics will agree on these attributes for God. If it is good, it is God. If it's bad it is illusion. That is how oneness works. God is the supreme state of being. Words are poor translations.

Edited Sunday at 05:30 PM by gettoefl

[Elliott]

55 minutes ago, gettoefl said:

If it's bad it is illusion

Then isn't not following God, an illusion, therefore the name God unnecessary. Isn't it not only completely unnecessary, but believing an illusion, to try to lead people to God, or even you yourself to "follow God" like it's possible to not follow God?

Edited Sunday at 06:22 PM by Elliott

[gettoefl]

36 minutes ago, Elliott said:

Then isn't not following God, an illusion, therefore the name God unnecessary. Isn't it not only completely unnecessary, but believing an illusion, to try to lead people to God, or even you yourself to "follow God" like it's possible to not follow God?

God is non-coercive and gives free will to its creations. Everyone has the choice, to follow illusion or to follow truth - the reality of God. To follow illusion is unhappiness and everyone will eventually return to God. Since it is illusion and equivalent to a bad dream, not one note in heaven's orchestra is missed.

[Elliott]

31 minutes ago, gettoefl said:

To follow illusion is unhappiness 

Isn't this thought right there illusion itself, that following illusion is bad, that unhappiness is bad?

 

1 hour ago, gettoefl said:

 If it is good, it is God. If it's bad it is illusion.

 

[Elliott]

3 hours ago, gettoefl said:

 To dissolve the apparent separation and return to heaven. 

Aren't you creating an illusion of separation with God

 

35 minutes ago, gettoefl said:

to follow illusion or to follow truth 

 

36 minutes ago, gettoefl said:

. To follow illusion is unhappiness and everyone will eventually return to God.

No one was ever actually separated to be able to return right? The separation you're describing is an illusion itself isn't it?

[gettoefl]

16 minutes ago, Elliott said:

Isn't this thought right there illusion itself, that following illusion is bad, that unhappiness is bad?

 

 

Following illusion is actually impossible. It is illusionary after all. But God lets you try if it is your wish. You will find it an unhappy experience. 

[gettoefl]

15 minutes ago, Elliott said:

Aren't you creating an illusion of separation with God

 

 

No one was ever actually separated to be able to return right? The separation you're describing is an illusion itself isn't it?

To be present in this universe means that one believes one created this separation. It is all a bad dream just like you engage in at night. The imagination of God's children can create whole universes. They are mere distractions from the bliss of heaven.