Poland shoots immigrants legally

[Schizophonia]

3 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

I can't read something so long sorry. 

Too much brain fog? 😅

 

Seminal retention helps me concentrate and read long texts, among stop using to much sources of easy pleasure.

Edited Sunday at 08:23 PM by Schizophonia

[NewKidOnTheBlock]

@Emerald You never had to personally suffer or see negative effects of illegal immigration tho. And that "yappy dog" represents a country with a population of several million men AND women, who want to live safe and prosperous lives. It is undeniable that illegal immigration from a certain muslim countries (mostly african and middle eastern ones) correlates with increased levels of crime. These people also tend to be backwards in their development and view of the world, bringing their intolerant religion together with them. Your idealistic worldviews will not change that

[Emerald]

9 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

Just a few days ago, a gang of North Africans stabbed a 14-year-old kid to death to steal his phone.
It happens regularly now, and almost every time (there are white French criminals of course) they are people who are directly or indirectly descended (through their parents or grandparents) from non-European immigration.

This is not the only reason to refuse immigration, i have given others, i have also explained why the border police must act brutally to be effective, even if in the best of times it could be avoided.

You are right about the fact that borders are an abstract construction, but it is an abstract construction driven by very tangible phenomenas starting with the fact that we want, as humans, libidinal entities, to be able to live in safety with similar people, to be able to survive; Survival and prosperity are all it is about.

First off, you didn't explain what was illogical about my point. You just made another point.

So, tell me what I said specifically that seems illogical to you.

Now, I don't know the statistics on this from anywhere but here in America.

But in terms of people who immigrate to America (legally or illegally), they tend to commit crimes at a lower rate than people who were born and raised in the US.

I don't know what it's like in Poland specifically, but I'm imagining it would be similar.

Immigrants mostly want to stay off the radar of the police to avoid losing their ability to stay in the country. So, they tend to break laws at lower rates.

But if your claim is that the border police need to be brutal to be effective, I'm going to need some actual evidence of that claim... and not just your assumptions.

[ryoko]

2 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

I can't read something so long sorry. 

"I am to lazy to think by myself, and what do you expect, I'd read these long para to upgrade my sense making? I'm happy where I am, being what I am"

[Emerald]

Just now, NewKidOnTheBlock said:

@Emerald You never had to personally suffer or see negative effects of illegal immigration tho. And that "yappy dog" represents a country with a population of several million men AND women, who want to live safe and prosperous lives. It is undeniable that illegal immigration from a certain muslim countries (mostly african and middle eastern ones) correlates with increased levels of crime. These people also tend to be backwards in their development and view of the world, bringing their intolerant religion together with them. Your idealistic worldviews will not change that

I'm going to need some actual statistics on the heightened crime rate through immigration.

Here in the states, immigrants (legal and illegal) commit crimes at a lower rate to that of US born citizens.

[Emerald]

4 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

I can't read something so long sorry. 

I'm sorry that it was too complex for you. You can copy paste it into ChatGPT if you want to simplify it for your reading level.

[Salvijus]

1 hour ago, Schizophonia said:

Too much brain fog? 😅

 

Seminal retention helps me concentrate and read long texts, among stop using to much sources of easy pleasure.

Idk what it is. It just kills me immediately 😅

 

[Salvijus]

59 minutes ago, Emerald said:

I'm sorry that it was too complex for you. You can copy paste it into ChatGPT if you want to simplify it for your reading level.

Sorry

[Emerald]

Just now, Salvijus said:

Sorry

Sorry. I thought you were just being disrespectful. And I was matching that energy.

But if it's genuinely difficult for you to read it because of a language barrier or something like that, the long and short of it is that humanity goes through phases where there's a strong group identity and phases where that group identity breaks down.

[Salvijus]

1 hour ago, AION said:

So what is your point?

If we are going to scold everyone who's not up to the standard of Jesus. Then these immigrants deserve the most of it. 

 

[PurpleTree]

2 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

If we are going to scold everyone who's not up to the standard of Jesus. Then these immigrants deserve the most of it. 

 

Yes no you are right and we are wrong.

You convinced me.

It’s good to dehumanise people and shoot at them.

[Salvijus]

1 hour ago, Emerald said:

The way that society develops is between catabolic and anabolic phases. And these go back and forth until humanity is untied as one.

It the anabolic phases, the collective coalesces and a strong collective identity is forged. And in the catabolic phases that collective identity is dissolved and broken down.

In early human times, small nomadic groups coalesced together under a strong identity (the anabolic phase).

Then, the catabolic phase hits... and those identities faded. And in the following anabolic phase, they were absorbed into larger and more developed tribes with an ever greater stronger collective identity.

Then, the catabolic phase hit again... and the tribal identities were broken down. And the anabolic phase comes again where those tribes are absorbed into a greater empire and nation state with a greater national identity that unites far more people than the tribal and nomadic identities before it.

And now, we're on the cusp of a catabolic phase once again... where national identities fade and are coming into an anabolic coalescence with a global identity... which will have a greater collective identity than nomadic, tribal, and national identities of times past and present.

And those who are attached to the old ways and keeping strong national identities are in a collective death knell where they're trying to keep a grip on what is dying.

And so, there is currently a resurgence of hyper-tribalism... and an attempt to go backwards in time. But it is just fighting nature... and nature will eventually win out.

Okay I made the effort to read through this. So simply put you're saying identity is always expanding until it becomes all inclusive right? 

[Salvijus]

1 hour ago, PurpleTree said:

It’s good to dehumanise people and shoot at them

Yes

[ryoko]

It's one of the phases, yes.
Don't get too attached to one or the other.
If you people think you must shoot, then shoot you must. Just asking, do you seriously see no consequence to it?

That's the exact problem, if enough people's worldview changes, "it's a really inefficient way to live like this on earth, I have to do my part and at least see things for what they are. And not have my worldviews built out of fantasies.", there won't be anyone left to do this dirty work, and we won't even need to do this. This is not a matter of spiritual "hobby" thinking; your whole life has to reflect it. And don't worry, most won't go through this trouble, current systems will make sure they have no energy left for independent thought, and much less adopt a worldview which will make living harder.

Edited Sunday at 08:47 PM by ryoko

[Yimpa]

20 hours ago, integral said:

They claim that Poland has the lowest crime rates because of their strict immigration policy. 

I would not trust the claims of those who commit horrific crimes.

[NewKidOnTheBlock]

14 minutes ago, Emerald said:

I'm going to need some actual statistics on the heightened crime rate through immigration.

Here in the states, immigrants (legal and illegal) commit crimes at a lower rate to that of US born citizens.

Honestly, I'm not going to bother with linking anything, but I'm pretty sure I would find something if I looked for it. It's just so obvious that the crime increase is real, it's almost common sense. If you think that I should always provide proof for my claims and to justify my arguments, well, I don't really care much for these rules. I care more about the truth, not some bickering

How many muslim immigrants from african and middle eastern countries are comming into United States? Not many, certainly significantly less than what Europe took under it's umbrella. And what do you exactly mean by "US born citizens", are there only white people included in that statistic or, are there also black people? I mean, aren't black people kinda commiting at least half if not more of the crimes? I would need to check on that one but I'm pretty sure that's the case. This would then skew the problems with illegal immigration comming from Mexico, no? And the crime rate from these people.

You are kinda comparing apples and oranges. There are different kinds of illegal immigrants with different kinds of development and values. You Americans never had to deal with a massive surge of muslim illegal immigration so what do yall really know?

[PurpleTree]

That’s imo how people should be kicked out of countries. Friendly-ish and straight and not dehumanising and violent.

 

 

[ryoko]

1 minute ago, NewKidOnTheBlock said:

aren't black people kinda commiting at least half if not more of the crimes?

What do you expect when the game is rigged?

[Salvijus]

1 hour ago, Emerald said:

Sorry. I thought you were just being disrespectful. And I was matching that energy.

But if it's genuinely difficult for you to read it because of a language barrier or something like that

It's just that my brains shuts off when I see long posts and it takes great effort to register and follow what is written. Just wanted to clarify that.

[Emerald]

21 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

Okay I made the effort to read through this. So simply put you're saying identity is always expanding until it becomes all inclusive right? 

Yes