Poland shoots immigrants legally

[PurpleTree]

11 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

These immigrants shouldn't force their way obnoxiously into someone's home. Ask for permission. Ask to enter legally. Make sure you respect the owners house in every way, adhere to their rules because you're a guest there who wants help. Then allow yourself to be screened and evaluated by the owner of the house so that he may judge if he has the capacity to help you or not. If he has willingness and resources to help you or not. And then gratefully accept his verdict even if he chooses not to help you for whatever reason. Don't demand that others be enlightened and selfless. Nobody owns you anything. 

Ok then go shoot them.  

[Salvijus]

1 hour ago, PurpleTree said:

Ok then go shoot them.  

Idk if that's necessary. It's for Polish people to descide whether or not such measures are necessary and smart. 

Edited Sunday at 07:45 PM by Salvijus

[PurpleTree]

2 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

Idk if that's necessary. It's for Polish people to descide whether or not such measures are necessary and smart. 

What would Jesus do baby?

[Salvijus]

1 hour ago, PurpleTree said:

What would Jesus do baby?

Krishna killed dozens of people in a war

[PurpleTree]

Hint: He would certainly not shoot at them or dehumanise them.

[Emerald]

@NewKidOnTheBlock If you don't support Poland shooting immigrants on sight... then it's not you that I'm talking about.

These violent ways are obviously backwards and unnecessary to manage immigration concerns in Poland. And it's not a good sign for the state of the world if a European 2nd world country is regressing backwards in this way.

And it's especially a sign of tribalism with all the guys on this post that are cheering on the shooting... and acting like territorial little yappy dogs that get up in arms when someone is walking on "their street".

I feel like that should be obvious that shooting immigrants on sight is not a skillful or well-developed way to run a society. It's the type of thing you expect from 3rd world countries... not 2nd world countries.

So, it's probably a sign that Poland is degenerating into a 3rd world country... and maybe other nations will follow suit.

But maybe that's just my more emotionally conscious Feminine sensibilities.... like you said. It's just very obvious to me that all of this is bad news for humanity. 

It's like being a mother and watching your child be violent towards their younger sibling... and it's very sad.

And it's clear from the mother's point of view that the dispute is a silly one... as most children's conflicts often are.

But the children are still too underdeveloped to share the ball... so the mother must find ways to deter them.

And eventually the mother will get fed up and take away the ball... just like Mother Nature will take away the Earth from us if we keep up these shenanigans.

But I always hope for a better, more conscious, and Feminine principled future.

It's difficult though, when there's so much propaganda that normalizes disconnection and anti-social tendencies.

But if anyone who's cheering on other human beings getting killed, should not complain when they too are killed in the violent world they advocated for. If you live by the sword, you die by the sword. And you have no right to complain when you're the one on the chopping block.

I personally tend to side with Jesus on this one when he spoke about the tale of the Good Samaritan and "love thy neighbor."

Edited Sunday at 07:54 PM by Emerald

[ryoko]

11 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

Krishna killed dozens of people in a war

To Krishna all humans are one and equal. Killing a fly is no different from killing any human.

Is that how you live?

And don't invent false contexts.

Why are the refugees coming over? Their home is in a bad state, what has caused it? Because humans aren't united yet. Don't throw blame game, and blaming countries, governments... These systems are inefficient by design. What else do you expect when we built and stayed with these systems?For one, the then existing systems as a whole couldn't tolerate anything better. Times are changing. Each and every one of us is responsible.

Edited Sunday at 08:00 PM by ryoko

[Emerald]

39 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

These immigrants shouldn't force their way obnoxiously into someone's home. Ask for permission. Ask to enter legally. Make sure you respect the owners house in every way, adhere to their rules because you're a guest there who wants help. Then allow yourself to be screened and evaluated by the owner of the house so that he may judge if he has the capacity to help you or not. If he has willingness and resources to help you or not. And then gracefully accept his verdict even if he chooses not to help you for whatever reason. Don't demand that others be enlightened and selfless. Nobody owns you anything. 

It's not like entering someone's personal home.

It's more like... one of that little yappy dogs who is operating under the delusion that the street they live on belongs to them personally.

And then, when someone walks on that street the yappy dog takes it personally and believes that the random person walking on the street is a territory invader that means harm to them and their family.

[Salvijus]

1 hour ago, PurpleTree said:

What would Jesus do baby?

Why don't you apply that question to immigrants? 

[Schizophonia]

@Emerald

Nothing you said is rational, you are not looking to connect with reality.

 

[Emerald]

Just now, Schizophonia said:

@Emerald

Nothing you said is rational, you are not looking to connect with reality.

 

Explain what I said that isn't rational.

[Salvijus]

1 hour ago, Emerald said:

It's not like entering someone's personal home.

It's more like... one of that little yappy dogs who is operating under the delusion that the street they live on belongs to them personally.

Same thing. You can't expect a country not to have an identity. If fact it should have a very strong identity to flourish. A singular collective identity is necessary for people to be cohesive and in tune with each other. 

Edited Sunday at 08:09 PM by Salvijus

[Schizophonia]

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And then, when someone walks on that street the yappy dog takes it personally and believes that the random person walking on the street is a territory invader that means harm to them and their family.

Just a few days ago, a gang of North Africans stabbed a 14-year-old kid to death to steal his phone.
It happens regularly now, and almost every time (there are white French criminals of course) they are people who are directly or indirectly descended (through their parents or grandparents) from non-European immigration.

This is not the only reason to refuse immigration, i have given others, i have also explained why the border police must act brutally to be effective, even if in the best of times it could be avoided.

You are right about the fact that borders are an abstract construction, but it is an abstract construction driven by very tangible phenomenas starting with the fact that we want, as humans, libidinal entities, to be able to live in safety with similar people, to be able to survive; Survival and prosperity are all it is about.

 

Edited Sunday at 08:14 PM by Schizophonia

[Schizophonia]

Just because a line of reasoning is simple or primitive doesn't mean it's irrational. Just because a line of reasoning is complicated doesn't mean it's rational.

Edited Sunday at 08:13 PM by Schizophonia

[AION]

19 minutes ago, ryoko said:

To Krishna all humans are one and equal. Killing a fly is no different from killing any human.

Is that how you live?

And don't invent false contexts.

Why are the refugees coming over? Their home is in a bad state, what has caused it? Because humans aren't united yet. Don't throw blame game, and blaming countries, governments... These systems are inefficient by design. What else do you expect when we built and stayed with these systems?For one, the then existing systems as a whole couldn't tolerate anything better. Times are changing. Each and every one of us is responsible.

 

[Salvijus]

People want to scold Poland for not meeting the standards of Jesus. But the fact that immigrants are 10 times worse nobody cares. Let's turn a blind eye to that and complain how bad Poland is instead. 

[ryoko]

8 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

singular collective identity

You should be joking. A country is the very definition of division. You don't see that?

[Emerald]

Just now, Salvijus said:

Same thing. You can't expect a country not to have an identity. If fact it should have a very strong identity to flourish. It's an important stage of development. 

The way that society develops is between catabolic and anabolic phases. And these go back and forth until humanity is untied as one.

It the anabolic phases, the collective coalesces and a strong collective identity is forged. And in the catabolic phases that collective identity is dissolved and broken down.

In early human times, small nomadic groups coalesced together under a strong identity (the anabolic phase).

Then, the catabolic phase hits... and those identities faded. And in the following anabolic phase, they were absorbed into larger and more developed tribes with an ever greater stronger collective identity.

Then, the catabolic phase hit again... and the tribal identities were broken down. And the anabolic phase comes again where those tribes are absorbed into a greater empire and nation state with a greater national identity that unites far more people than the tribal and nomadic identities before it.

And now, we're on the cusp of a catabolic phase once again... where national identities fade and are coming into an anabolic coalescence with a global identity... which will have a greater collective identity than nomadic, tribal, and national identities of times past and present.

And those who are attached to the old ways and keeping strong national identities are in a collective death knell where they're trying to keep a grip on what is dying.

And so, there is currently a resurgence of hyper-tribalism... and an attempt to go backwards in time. But it is just fighting nature... and nature will eventually win out.

[AION]

1 minute ago, Salvijus said:

People want to scold Poland for not meeting the standards of Jesus. But the fact that immigrants are 10 times worse nobody cares. Let's turn a blind eye to that and complain how bad Poland is instead. 

So what is your point?

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But the fact that immigrants are 10 times worse

Proof?

[Salvijus]

1 hour ago, Emerald said:

The way that society develops is between catabolic and anabolic phases. And these go back and forth until humanity is untied as one.

It the anabolic phases, the collective coalesces and a strong collective identity is forged. And in the catabolic phases that collective identity is dissolved and broken down.

In early human times, small nomadic groups coalesced together under a strong identity (the anabolic phase).

Then, the catabolic phase hits... and those identities faded. And in the following anabolic phase, they were absorbed into larger and more developed tribes with an ever greater stronger collective identity.

Then, the catabolic phase hit again... and the tribal identities were broken down. And the anabolic phase comes again where those tribes are absorbed into a greater empire and nation state with a greater national identity that unites far more people than the tribal and nomadic identities before it.

And now, we're on the cusp of a catabolic phase once again... where national identities fade and are coming into an anabolic coalescence with a global identity... which will have a greater collective identity than nomadic, tribal, and national identities of times past and present.

And those who are attached to the old ways and keeping strong national identities are in a collective death knell where they're trying to keep a grip on what is dying.

And so, there is currently a resurgence of hyper-tribalism... and an attempt to go backwards in time. But it is just fighting nature... and nature will eventually win out.

I can't read something so long sorry.