Poland shoots immigrants legally

[Princess Arabia]

1 hour ago, Salvijus said:

Actualized. Org is an exclusive virtual country. If you don't adhere to certain values you'll be banned. That's just normal. 

Silly argument. I guess actualized shoots it's violators.

[ryoko]

1 hour ago, Salvijus said:

Try to run into a forbidden military base and see if you get shot or not. 

How hard is it for you to accept this is a structural problem?
Complacency, and acceptance of countries as norm. Countries, borders, military, govt.. all are just one phase. The things we do to ignore what's right infront of us.

[Nemra]

@Schizophonia, well, I don't have a say in what European countries should do.

However, I did expect developed countries to be intelligent enough to understand the differences and come up with some solutions to mostly reject bad actors and not be at the same level as underdeveloped countries on issues like this one.

It seems that even some European countries are out of good solutions, so it is what it is.

Edited Sunday at 04:36 PM by Nemra

[ryoko]

How hard is to to see things as they are?
Don't make excuses to corrode your vision.

[kray]

16 hours ago, integral said:

Poland has recently passed a law, allowing immigrants attempting to cross illegally to be shot on the spot.

They claim that Poland has the lowest crime rates because of their strict immigration policy. 

Honestly with Poland, it’s not a country built on immigrants but rather its own population. From their own sense of stage blue cultural conservatism, I can understand where they are coming from. However this would not make sense in countries built on/dependent on immigrant labor such as the US and Canada.

[Salvijus]

1 hour ago, kray said:

Honestly with Poland, it’s not a country built on immigrants but rather its own population

Every country in EU is built on its own population with its own unique culture. 

[Nemra]

18 minutes ago, ryoko said:

How hard is to to see things as they are?
Don't make excuses to corrode your vision.

Are you referring to me?

[Emerald]

43 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

Hypocrisy at it's finest infests the human race. Only when God and love and oneness suits, does it apply. Shoot 'em up when they invade our territory. Next week we'll here about how it's all love and how much we meditate.

100%

A bunch of guys lacking in heart-wisdom and empathy and believing that they're highly conscious human beings.

[Basman]

Migration is allegedly being used a tool of war by Russia to pressure and undermine Poland and the EU via Belarus to the East, with the Belarusian president urging migrants to cross the border into the EU.

https://www.politico.eu/article/poland-donald-tusk-asylum-right-border-migration-belarus-russia-hybrid-war-eu/

In my opinion, Poland has a right to determine who it lets into its borders. If you are illegally trying to cross into a country then you should expect resistance. The use of force is permissible in my opinion if waved appropriately, like with the this article that states that border may shoot in cases of "self-defense" or as a "preventative manner". There will inevitably be cases of unjust violence but have to see the big picture of maintaining internal security. This is an aspect of Polish society that is not at peace so human rights have less of a say by default (like during war). Its easy to criticize Poland when its not your problem to begin with. The majority of Polish are in support of these policies for instance.

https://www.infomigrants.net/en/post/58618/poland-allows-police-to-open-fire-on-migrants-at-the-belarusian-border

[kray]

15 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

Every country in EU is built on its own population with its own unique culture. 

Exactly 

[Basman]

Geopolitically, humans are kind of like ants. Individually quiet worthless with the exception of high value leaders and personal. A couple of hundreds or thousands annihilated is acceptable in the context of justifiable actions.

When it comes to understanding morality in relation to the business of human survival I'll say this, give to Ceasar's the things that are Ceasar's and give to god the things that are god's.

[Salvijus]

1 hour ago, Emerald said:

100%

A bunch of guys lacking in heart-wisdom and empathy and believing that they're highly conscious human beings.

Allowing people to shit on you is not love. 

[Schizophonia]

45 minutes ago, Nemra said:

@Schizophonia, well, I don't have a say in what European countries should do.

However, I did expect developed countries to be intelligent enough to understand the differences and come up with some solutions to mostly reject bad actors and not be at the same level as underdeveloped countries on issues like this one.

It seems that even some European countries are out of good solutions, so it is what it is.

If it were up to me we would all be millionaires and safe.

[ryoko]

23 minutes ago, Nemra said:

Are you referring to me?

No

[Schizophonia]

18 minutes ago, Basman said:

Migration is allegedly being used a tool of war by Russia to pressure and undermine Poland and the EU via Belarus to the East, with the Belarusian president urging migrants to cross the border into the EU.

https://www.politico.eu/article/poland-donald-tusk-asylum-right-border-migration-belarus-russia-hybrid-war-eu/

In my opinion, Poland has a right to determine who it lets into its borders. If you are illegally trying to cross into a country then you should expect resistance. The use of force is permissible in my opinion if waved appropriately, like with the this article that states that border may shoot in cases of "self-defense" or as a "preventative manner". There will inevitably be cases of unjust violence but have to see the big picture of maintaining internal security. This is an aspect of Polish society that is not at peace so human rights have less of a say by default (like during war). Its easy to criticize Poland when its not your problem to begin with. The majority of Polish are in support of these policies for instance.

https://www.infomigrants.net/en/post/58618/poland-allows-police-to-open-fire-on-migrants-at-the-belarusian-border

Turkey also did that.

[Nemra]

11 minutes ago, Basman said:

Migration is allegedly being used a tool of war by Russia to pressure and undermine Poland and the EU via Belarus to the East, with the Belarusian president urging migrants to cross the border into the EU.

If that's true, then it changes the context of the situation of the immigrants. A tragedy for those poor, unaware immigrants.

[aurum]

Before you criticize Poland, first make sure you understand its survival agenda.

Why is Poland doing this? From their perspective?

[Nemra]

9 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

Turkey also did that.

They never fail to disappoint. 😂

[Nemra]

48 minutes ago, aurum said:

Before you criticize Poland, first make sure you understand its survival agenda.

Why is Poland doing this? From their perspective?

Well, @Basman provided an important peace of information that really changes the context.

It made little sense why they would be so brutal just for economic or even cultural reasons. 

However, I have to look into it to see how much of that is true or not.

Edited Sunday at 06:28 PM by Nemra

[NewKidOnTheBlock]

1 hour ago, Emerald said:

100%

A bunch of guys lacking in heart-wisdom and empathy and believing that they're highly conscious human beings.

Or, on the contrary, maybe that's why women were rarely leaders in history, because when the going gets tough and stuff hits the fan, and there's a need for some emotionally hard things to be done, it is men who are able to set aside their emotions, not women. Poland and all the countries of the central Europe have zero responsibility in creating nor benefitting from European collonialism (not that that's some bulletproof argument, it's moreso used as a guilt tripping tool nowadays, but I can understand the rationale behind it) and therefore I agree that central Europeans certainly shouldn't have to take any refugees from those parts of the world, especially since there is a significant correlation in their presence in western European countries with crime.

Now, I don't support any shooting, but Poland absolutely has right not to take any of these migrants, that's for sure undeniable

Edited Sunday at 06:06 PM by NewKidOnTheBlock