Poland shoots immigrants legally

[Nemra]

An important thing is whether the fear of the immigrants is based on cultural or racial differences or the evidence that all of them are actually criminals and just want to commit crimes elsewhere.

Edited Sunday at 01:36 PM by Nemra

[Schizophonia]

43 minutes ago, Nemra said:

There should be a distinction between different types of immigrants; the ones that are going there to spread their underdeveloped lifestyle and the ones who want to have better life relative to their current one.

If they are accepted, there should be some compromise from the immigrants; they must try to drop off their bigoted, racist views, etc.

However, that would only work if the locals aren't racists and bigots themselves.

It's cruel but there aren't 36,000 ways to stop these people from getting through.

Migrants need to be pushed back, because otherwise firstly it's a pandora's box if you start accepting them, and secondly because you don't want them to increase crime rates, lower employment costs or even ethnically displace certain cities; You want whites to remain the majority in Poland for many reasons, in fact you don't even want white Poles to be replaced by other types of whites like French or Russians.

There's a big difference between doing classic "racism of low conscience", and simply being very pragmatic. The left is failing in the West right now because it seeks to feed on irrational infantile energy, a bit like MAGA but leftist version.

The devil is in the details.

 

[PurpleTree]

8 minutes ago, Nemra said:

An important thing is whether the fear of the immigrants is based on cultural or racial differences or the evidence that all of them are actually criminals and just want to commit crimes elsewhere.

Well of course not all of them are criminals.

[Salvijus]

1 hour ago, NewKidOnTheBlock said:

It's just dissapointing for me to see that humans only tend to have a dual response to everything, we are either too tolerant and accommodating or we become too hostile and defensive. There should be a more nuanced approach to these immigrant crisies, whenever they're happenning, our responses to them should be flexible depending on the situation or the ammount of threat (or lack thereof) immigrants pose to us. Instead we just get drifted out from one side of the political spectrum to the other, making our responses very innefective

It becomes complicated when every person on the planet has a different opinion what's an appropriate response to the situation. In Poland's defense I would say the punishment is perhaps equivalent to the degree of obnoxiousness and disrespect with which these immigrants try to cross the boarder. Because lesser warnings are not working. 

[Nemra]

46 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

Migrants need to be pushed back, because otherwise firstly it's a pandora's box if you start accepting them, and secondly because you don't want them to increase crime rates, lower employment costs or even ethnically displace certain cities; You want whites to remain the majority in Poland for many reasons, in fact you don't even want white Poles to be replaced by other types of whites like French or Russians.

I understand the second point that they can negatively affect. But I have to investigate that myself later, how much of that is true or false.

However, it isn't ethnic cleansing if there isn't malice behind it.

So, I would not rush to say that whites are being ethnically cleansed by whites or others. Although I'm aware that some groups of Muslims have that kind of ambition.

People who are paranoid about cultural changes or differences without being able to point out the actual malice behind it without BS-ing or give religious or cultural justifications for the actions of the immigrants are just idiots that need to be suppressed if they are going to follow their rules. Although, it depends if those idiots are the majority.

I expected Europeans to be culturally more open-minded in a conscious way relative to others. I guess I have yet to visit there to really know if that is true.

Edited Sunday at 02:26 PM by Nemra

[PurpleTree]

7 minutes ago, Nemra said:

 

I expected Europeans to be culturally more open-minded in a conscious way relative to others. I guess I have yet to visit there to really know if that is true.

Nobody in Europe ever thought Polish were very open minded or whatever.

But the Swedish for example were very open minded and look what’s happening there right now.

[Salvijus]

I don't see a problem of being exclusive for cultural or religious reasons either. Imagine there's a Buddhist monestary where Buddhists do their thing and live their lifestyle and then a tantric comes and starts practicing his sex yoga in the middle of the buddhist monestary. He would get kicked out immediately. Now imagine these people trying to overpopulate the buddhist monestary and turn it into tantric ashram. I feel that is not wisdom. 

Edited Sunday at 02:32 PM by Salvijus

[Nemra]

2 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

Nobody in Europe ever thought Polish were very open minded or whatever.

But the Swedish for example were very open minded and look what’s happening there right now.

Well, I said open-minded in a conscious way.

I agree that there needs to be a limit to how much tolerance is required toward non-tolerant people.

[PurpleTree]

2 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

I don't see a problem of being exclusive for cultural or religious reasons either. Imagine there's a Buddhist monestary where Buddhists do their thing and live their lifestyle and then a tantric comes and starts practicing his sex yoga in the middle of the buddhist monestary. He would get kicked out immediately. Now imagine these people trying to overpopulate the buddhist monestary and turn it into tantric ashram. I feel that is not wisdom. 

Yea but the refugees and immigrants come to Europe for economic reasons and safety and opportunities. So your comparison makes no sense 

[PurpleTree]

I know most Western European countries have some issues with violence etc. with refugees and immigrants also Norway, Denmark, Netherlands, Austria, Germany etc.

 

But i wonder why Sweden specifically turned out so bad right now.

[Nemra]

12 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

I don't see a problem of being exclusive for cultural or religious reasons either. Imagine there's a Buddhist monestary where Buddhists do their thing and live their lifestyle and then a tantric comes and starts practicing his sex yoga in the middle of the buddhist monestary. He would get kicked out immediately. Now imagine these people trying to overpopulate the buddhist monestary and turn it into tantric ashram. I feel that is not wisdom. 

Luckily, some of us are relatively developed and have grown out of that idiocy (defending religion, etc.) and don't need to do that anyways, as our lives don't depend on it.

Edited Sunday at 02:43 PM by Nemra

[Salvijus]

1 hour ago, Nemra said:

Luckily, some of us are relatively developed and have grown out of that

Regardless of how developed one is, we all belong to a certain community that has certain values. It's okay for them to be exclusive if they wish that. 

[Salvijus]

Actualized. Org is an exclusive virtual country. If you don't adhere to certain values you'll be banned. That's just normal. 

Edited Sunday at 02:53 PM by Salvijus

[PurpleTree]

5 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

Actualized. Org is an exclusive virtual country. If you don't adhere to certain values you'll be banned. That's just normal. 

Yea but getting shot at at borders isn’t normal. It’s backwards.

[Nemra]

10 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

Regardless of how developed one is, we all belong to a certain community that has certain values. It's okay for them to be exclusive if they wish that. 

Well, most people around the world are like that.

So, it's not a new or exclusive thing.

The exclusive thing would be not doing that.

Let's avoid doing false equivalencies.

But whatever.

Edited Sunday at 02:58 PM by Nemra

[Nemra]

9 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

Actualized. Org is an exclusive virtual country. If you don't adhere to certain values you'll be banned. That's just normal. 

Does Leo shoot you when you disagree with him, have a different lifestyle or leave the forum for a while?

Of course he doesn't.

However, we are derailing from the topic.

[Salvijus]

1 hour ago, PurpleTree said:

Yea but getting shot at at borders isn’t normal. It’s backwards.

Try to run into a forbidden military base and see if you get shot or not. 

[PurpleTree]

22 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

Try to run into a forbidden military base and see if you get shot or not. 

These people are not criminals. I mean I could understand your opinion if this was a far right forum but here. 😂

[Schizophonia]

@PurpleTree @Nemra

This is not to say that migrants are all bad, but that they are collectively undesirable for certain reasons.

As for the use of weapons: Just imagine being a bunch of border police and having to deal with thousands of Far Eastern migrants who do not speak your language, are under-educated and imbued with a warlike and generally unconscious twisted collective unconscious, who want to advance to enter the national soil without knowing what they are going to do there ; You can't just operate with batons or LBD guns.

Most non-whites behave normally but also in France alone most thefts, rapes and assaults come from non-white people. Also as i already said you don't want to be replaced ethnically either, in France Paris has basically become an ethnically African city.

It's just the truth.

Edited Sunday at 04:13 PM by Schizophonia

[Princess Arabia]

Hypocrisy at it's finest infests the human race. Only when God and love and oneness suits, does it apply. Shoot 'em up when they invade our territory. Next week we'll here about how it's all love and how much we meditate.