The Alien Mind chemical

[LambdaDelta]

No, not the kind of Alien Mind (Mouse) Leo talks about. Rather a less advanced version of it, more practical than spiritual, a liminal space between human cognition and something otherworldly. Still, it's majorly distinct from regular states of consciousness.

Over the past 2 years, I tried 60+ psychoactive substances. For the most part, they're different flavors of the same thing, but a few really stand out. I'll discuss one such chemical here, its effects are so unique I couldn't replicate them with anything else. It is O-PCE, a dissociative, a class that isn't discussed much if at all here, and that's unfortunate, since they can be as powerful, if not more so in some aspects, than classic tryptamine/lysergamide psychedelics. I don't expect many people to follow up on this or even be able to find it (it's very rare outside the EU), but that's okay. 

First I'll list some of the main effects I got, and then describe the technicalities. 

• Crossing games like sudoku, chess, and others, and coming up with the best moves for each within the combined board/grid.
• Entering a black void where there's no sensory input/output, concepts arise directly in the mind. Paradoxically, this is where true visualization can happen, Tesla-level.
• A twisted multimodal way of thinking wherein asking a question like "What would Jesus do in a given situation?" shows the number 4 arising out of the darkness, and an octahedron forming from it. The answer is decoded as "something that a human can't conceive of".
• Multifold amplification of recall ability. Being able to retrace paths I hiked perfectly, along with what thoughts I was thinking or what I was listening to at the time. Same with car routes and the like.
• Enhanced mapping where I can bring to mind customs regulations of multiple EU countries, create a map with nodes, find similarities, connections, and ultimately business opportunities within those. Something like this.
• Multi-window perception of time (past, present, future), as well as of various avatars/parallel realities. This has ripple effects such as fractured causality - events lose their before/after relationship. A conclusion appears in the mind before the premise is formulated. A good visual example of how this feels like:
  
• Stepping out of own's identity and introspecting objectively, as if you were reading a book, largely solving the ego entanglement issues.
• Dimensional folding - existing between two spaces, as a flat plane with no third dimension. A bit like Funny Valentine. Similarly, spatial inversion, I 'look' within myself to 'see' the world, it's kind of like headspace, but more warped, akin to a Klein bottle.

Naturally, neither language nor my use of it are capable of faithfully describing such things, but that's what we have to work with. 

Now for the other information. 
The optimal ROA for this chemical, the only one to produce such effects, is vaping. All the others are nothing like it, mostly similar to your regular dissos.
I use an e-mesh to vape it, that is the best way, but people also have success with simple oil burners (meth pipes). I'll only be talking about the e-mesh here.
User maxpechura has left very comprehensive instructions regarding the mesh in this thread, big props for that. You can also see this video. 
The optimal mode I found is power, with the wattage range of 13-17W. If you've crushed the crystals into fine powder well, you won't really need to go above 15. I typically do 14.

Set an setting matter very much, it is a fickle chemical. It almost demands you being in complete darkness and silence. Also a clean mesh is crucial, I change mine basically after every session, the difference in intensity is major. Do a deep inhale, keep the vapor inside for ~20s, exhale, wait a little and repeat if you want to go deeper. Close your eyes. 
For someone without a tolerance (which can build quickly), even 15mg might be enough to dissolve into hyperspace, so start cautiously. 
The dosages for insufflated ROA on PsychonautWiki map quite accurately to vaping. 

Final miscellaneous notes, it's not a physically addictive substance, but can be psychologically so, so make sure to take sufficient breaks. Similar to MDMA, over time some of the 'magic' can be lost if you abuse it. Plus, being a salt form (though one that vapes really well), you don't want a lot of it in your lungs, it leaves a nasty residue. Haven't tried freebasing it, could be something to consider. 

That about does it. I have some exciting things to share regarding psychedelics, when the time is right - if I live to tell the tale. 

Edited February 1 by LambdaDelta

[Schizophonia]

@LambdaDelta Sometime i dreamed about taking a substance and having psychedelic experiences. One time I dreamt that i was lying cross-legged on my bed and snorting a substance.
After the trip I asked "God" what it was and I got the answer "3 HO PCE":

 

[Schizophonia]

@LambdaDelta I hit you have aready responded to me in the topic mea culpa.

It made me think of it, apparently O PCE is a similar compound. 🤔

[LambdaDelta]

@Schizophonia did you end up trying it? To me it's basically the same as 3-MeO-PCE. There's like 6 substances in this subclass with nearly identical names. 

O-PCE interestingly enough is more similar to the legendary MXE (3-MeO-2'-Oxo-PCE). O-PCE is that without the 3-MeO part.

[Schizophonia]

17 minutes ago, LambdaDelta said:

@Schizophonia did you end up trying it? To me it's basically the same as 3-MeO-PCE. There's like 6 substances in this subclass with nearly identical names. 

O-PCE interestingly enough is more similar to the legendary MXE (3-MeO-2'-Oxo-PCE). O-PCE is that without the 3-MeO part.

No i've havent tried yet. I'm a bit lazy to take anything on right now, i'm focused on getting mentally and physically healthy again and building something.

[Davino]

Thanks for sharing.

How would you describe it in terms of other substances? 

Let's say body relaxation like Ketamine, consciousness like 5meo, visuals like LSD, something among those lines but with vaped O-PCE.

Hope to see more of your posts regarding disassociatives. 

[Eskilon]

@LambdaDeltaReally nice stuff, impressive. Be careful though, you might end up getting hit by an arrow on your back if you explore too much

Edited February 2 by Eskilon

[LambdaDelta]

1 hour ago, Davino said:

Thanks for sharing.

How would you describe it in terms of other substances? 

Let's say body relaxation like Ketamine, consciousness like 5meo, visuals like LSD, something among those lines but with vaped O-PCE.

Hope to see more of your posts regarding disassociatives. 

There's really nothing to compare it to like that, that's why it's so unique. Simply by virtue of structural similarity there's some aspects like hole doses of ketamine, it's not even body relaxation, the notion of a body is removed. 5-MeO doesn't really work on me, but I can surmise it's a very different kind of consciousness, not a unitive infinity. No geometric visuals and such. What I put in the post is about the best descriptions I'm able to give. Combining it with other substances seems counterproductive.

Physically there's no bodyload, just progressively louder tinnitus on the comeup as all dissos have, which then fades perfectly into the background. Vapor isn't harsh at all, has a unique smell/taste that I've learned to appreciate. Afterglow is a bit of a downside, there's a degree of residual stimulation, some confusion, mania, similar to PCP/PCE analogues . Best is either doing it during the day with all blinds shut, or if you can power through a few hours of comedown trying to sleep, you'll get the craziest dreams, basically a continuation of the trip. 

 

1 hour ago, Eskilon said:

@LambdaDeltaReally nice stuff, impressive. Be careful though, you might end up getting hit by an arrow on your back if you explore too much

Haha, that was a good one! 

[Davino]

@LambdaDelta How interesting, I bookmarked kt. Surely one day I'll try O-PCE.

[LambdaDelta]

5 hours ago, Davino said:

@LambdaDelta How interesting, I bookmarked kt. Surely one day I'll try O-PCE.

Come over and I'll share some. Got 5g last month.

[Aaron p]

Is O-PCE addictive?

[Ero]

Thanks for sharing. It is a mission of mine to explore as many psychs as possible, Shulgin-style. Are there any other particularly cognitive that you have found other than O-PCE?

[LambdaDelta]

2 hours ago, Ero said:

Thanks for sharing. It is a mission of mine to explore as many psychs as possible, Shulgin-style. Are there any other particularly cognitive that you have found other than O-PCE?

It's quite unique in that regard. Most psychs like I said aren't really worth it, but the catch is you have to try them to know what works for you and find hidden gems. 

4-AcO-DMT + DMXE puts me in a very unique state I call tube consciousness, at high doses it's superior to whatever I described about O-PCE, it's a different plane of existence that gives the highest level overview of one's life and everything about this world across all dimensions. 

3-HO-PCP is another favorite of mine, the best for everything concerning Identity, whether that's switching avatars, talking to yourself through other people, adopting memories and beliefs of fictional characters, etc. It's the most confusing thing ever and highly amnesiac. Once I used it to perform a miracle and forgot how I did it. 

[Girzo]

On 14.02.2025 at 11:22 PM, Aaron p said:

Is O-PCE addictive?

You can expect it to be at least moderately addictive, like other dissociatives are.

[Exystem]

Interesting, thanks for sharing!

[LambdaDelta]

UPD: freebasing works, but not without caveats. The advantage is it vapes really clean, like 5-MeO-DMT or even smoother. However a lot of product is wasted, at least in the reactions I've tried so far - 2:1 with sodium carbonate and slight heat, also attempted an acetone wash, not very useful. One's much more likely to evaporate or degrade the entirety of O-PCE and be left with the carbonate. It's like a genie escaping from the bottle before you know it. As such, even though HCL does produce nasty resudue, currently vaporizing it is still superior, for any 'homebrew' approaches anyway. I can see a proper method, using NaOH, filtering, recrystallization, but that goes beyond the basics and can be dangerous. 

Edited February 22 by LambdaDelta