Forgetting higher consciousness

[gengar]

3 hours ago, James123 said:

İt happens with death. 

So according to you, God can only be in forgetfulness when it is imagining itself to be a limited being, and since all limited beings must die, remembrance will always resurface at the moment of death of the limited Jiva. 

But how do you know that God can only be in a state of forgetfulness as a limited Jiva? Consider this possibility:

Sadhguru claims that the death of the body turns the mind from a discriminatory mind to an undiscriminatory one that can be of any quality. Interesting to contemplate.

[James123]

5 minutes ago, gengar said:

So according to you, God can only be in forgetfulness when it is imagining itself to be a limited being, and since all limited beings must die, remembrance will always resurface at the moment of death of the limited Jiva. 

But how do you know that God can only be in a state of forgetfulness as a limited Jiva? Consider this possibility:

Sadhguru claims that the death of the body turns the mind from a discriminatory mind to an undiscriminatory one that can be of any quality. Interesting to contemplate.

Not forgetfulness, God can not even remember,Only can Be.

After so called Death there is nothing, as before so called birth. 

6 minutes ago, gengar said:

But how do you know that God can only be

That's what enlightenment is. Answer of before birth, after death and now.

[gettoefl]

2 hours ago, gengar said:

I agree, but my question is whether that blocking can be permanent since God has infinite possibilities. Have you ever done Salvia? It can block truth and clarity to an absolutely insane degree.

How can an illusion be permanent. Illusions take work to prop up. God wouldn't be the sharpest tool in the shed if it got itself stuck in a limited creation. You can block truth finitely. No I didn't use an altered state to see this. This is logic.

[gettoefl]

Forget and remember are dualistic states. Dual and non-dual are mutually exclusive and exhaustive. Namely you are one or the other. God isn't dual. God doesn't know a thing about duality. You as god's creation are allowed to imagine dual as much as you want. Keep imagining but as you have seen, happiness won't persist. Going home is the answer. Get off the dual carriageway at the next exit.

Edited Sunday at 01:57 PM by gettoefl

[Davino]

Limitation is a huge part of the workings of Consciousness. Reality is self-limiting, it limits itself, it is its own limits, you limit yourself, Pure Infinity limits itself into finity.

How does it work? By Will

Why? Idk, that yet

The mechanisms by which everything happens seem to be intrinsically a process of transcendence and immanence or Awakening and sleeping or Consciousness and unconsciousness.

I noticed the same that you did and after contemplating it for months, the breakthrough came when I realised it wasn't a trivial matter but a core aspect of Universal Mind. That was the Key Insight that cracked the nut for me.

In the Kashmir Shiva Tradition manifested God is said to be performing 5 Core processes:

1. Creation 
2. Preservation/Sustenance 
3. Destruction/Rejuvenation 
4. Delusion/Self-Deception
5. Awakening 

Edited Sunday at 03:34 PM by Davino

[gengar]

5 hours ago, gettoefl said:

Forget and remember are dualistic states. Dual and non-dual are mutually exclusive and exhaustive. Namely you are one or the other. God isn't dual. God doesn't know a thing about duality. You as god's creation are allowed to imagine dual as much as you want. Keep imagining but as you have seen, happiness won't persist. Going home is the answer. Get off the dual carriageway at the next exit.

No, remembering is by definition not a dualistic state, because unity of being is the thing you are remembering. And you are remembering that you are God and not a creation apart from him.

[gengar]

3 hours ago, Davino said:

Limitation is a huge part of the workings of Consciousness. Reality is self-limiting, it limits itself, it is its own limits, you limit yourself, Pure Infinity limits itself into finity.

How does it work? By Will

Why? Idk, that yet

The mechanisms by which everything happens seem to be intrinsically a process of transcendence and immanence or Awakening and sleeping or Consciousness and unconsciousness.

I noticed the same that you did and after contemplating it for months, the breakthrough came when I realised it wasn't a trivial matter but a core aspect of Universal Mind. That was the Key Insight that cracked the nut for me.

In the Kashmir Shiva Tradition manifested God is said to be performing 5 Core processes:

1. Creation 
2. Preservation/Sustenance 
3. Destruction/Rejuvenation 
4. Delusion/Self-Deception
5. Awakening 

Interesting.

I was always under the impression that Shiva was destruction and that means destruction of worldliness, Maya, separation and therefore is the same as awakening.

I'm a huge fan of the dualistic theology of Shiva/Shakti with Shiva as the primordial absolute formless godhead and Shakti being the infinite dreamfield, consciousness manifested as the universe. Father Time and Mother Earth in an eternal marriage, forever one. I'm not sure what branch of Hinduism thats from though.

Edited Sunday at 06:51 PM by gengar

[vibv]

On 2.2.2025 at 7:07 AM, gengar said:

Then what function of consciousness cause God to always remember itself eventually, and not spiral into infinite forgetfulness forever?

Gravity.

[Yimpa]

I forget, therefore I am not

Edited yesterday at 02:47 AM by Yimpa

[Davino]

On 2/2/2025 at 7:50 PM, gengar said:

I was always under the impression that Shiva was destruction and that means destruction of worldliness, Maya, separation and therefore is the same as awakening.

It can be a bit messy, but strictly speaking usually destruction is represented by the Shiva form of Maheshwara

Quote

ॐ गुरुर्ब्रह्मा गुरुर्विष्णुर्गुरुर्देवो महेश्वरः।
गुरुः साक्षात्परं ब्रह्म तस्मै श्रीगुरवे नमः

Om gurur brahmā gurur viṣṇur gurur devo maheśvaraḥ,
guruḥ sākṣāt paraṁ brahma tasmai śrī-gurave namaḥ.

Although, who cares this is more hindu scholarship than anything else.

To avoid this confusion, they prefer using the term ParamaShiva for refering to Infinite Consciousness or God.

On 2/2/2025 at 7:50 PM, gengar said:

I'm a huge fan of the dualistic theology of Shiva/Shakti with Shiva as the primordial absolute formless godhead and Shakti being the infinite dreamfield, consciousness manifested as the universe.

I agree, it's very useful. Moreover, It's important to grasp it in your present experience. Can you see right now what is Shiva and what is Shakti?

Shiva is Pure Consciousness, Awareness, the screen, the mirror, or boundless efulgent Field of Consciousness happening.

Shakti is sensations, experience, phenomena, whatever happens to be the permutation of this field, the movie. Look arround your place and other sensations happen, sounds and so on, this is the content.

Lastly One has to realize that Shiva/Shakti are One and the same, nothing but useful distinctions, reconciling the eternal dilemma between Trascendence (Shiva) and Immanence (Shakti). In this way, one realizes that the Infinite and the finite are one and the same and that This present experience is absolutely magical and perfect the way it is.

[Leo Gura]

12 hours ago, Yimpa said:

I forget, therefore I am not God

Fixed it for you.

[Hojo]

@gengar Its like if you are scared as you are dying your fear will suddenly have no bounds and you wont be able to stop it. It will exceed past your skull not bounce back to you and expand and get greater and greater for infinite time.