Leo's Hot Take on Socializing: Missing the Point Entirely

[JosephKnecht]

10 minutes ago, PenguinPablo said:

Love how much they appreciated what he just did. Watched the whole thing. It’s pretty impressive 

The dude is a legend. 

[UnbornTao]

"Be a loner. That gives you time to wonder, to search for the truth. Have holy curiosity. Make your life worth living." - Einstein.

[RendHeaven]

1 hour ago, JosephKnecht said:

The person on the right is Harry Mack. A freestyle rapper who has spent more than 20 years working on this talent in solitude while creating music. The effort he has spent honing his lyricism in solitude is incomprehensible. 

The people on the left are athletes wasting time trying to talk to strangers online. 

@Shodburrito Now ask yourself, why are the guys on the left applauding Harry Mack? 

Because he demonstrated a capability that none of them has, namely to create a song on the spot from a few random words. Do you think this is a skill Harry would have developed if he was one of the athletes and socializing like them? No, very unlikely. 

I don't know if that's completely fair framing.

Any of those kids could have abnormal talent without us knowing, like being at a state championship level of their sport. So seeking socialization doesn't necessarily mean your skills suck. Conversely, Harry could have conceivably built a similar level of skill by practicing with a small tribe of like-minded experts. So again, isolating yourself does not equate to world-class talent.

You may vaguely have a point, but it's actually tangential to Leo's claim. Leo is not saying that isolation benefits any skill or talent. There is a real case to be made that socializing leads to skill and talent (think: mentors). If you want skills, you should seek community and challenging environments with people and standards.

Leo is speaking more on depth of mind and self-satisfaction. These are both abstract intangible qualities that cannot be shown off even if you wanted to. Nobody can understand the fruits of your silent lonesome. Unless they too choose to honor their inward sanctuary, in which case there is a flash of mutual acknowledgement. But even then, idiosyncrasies make it such that there is a fundamental disconnect. You can't share your solitude. By definition. Only you can understand you. That's what makes it so valuable and precious and scary.

This is why it's a goldmine which nobody cares to unearth.

Has nothing to do with developing tangible skills...

[RightHand]

8 hours ago, Shodburrito said:

@Leo Gura

This might be the most magnificent meltdown from pseudo-spiritual superiority to edgy teenage threats I've ever seen. Way to completely abandon even the pretense of enlightened consciousness!

The fact that you think "spiritual Satan" is somehow a scary threat rather than just embarrassingly cringe is the perfect end to this thread. Thanks for the laugh - this was honestly better comedy than I could have hoped for!

Sweet dreams! 😈🙏

 

 

[Terell Kirby]

As a person who leans extroverted, I think we’re being way too sensitive on the socialization topic to be honest.

I took the post as simply highlighting an aspect of getting older and wiser. No one ever said socialization was bad, but it something you go through and grow out of as you age (assuming you actually grow up-some people stay stupid well into their 50s/60s).

Even everyday people who are not monks or yogis have had the experience of socializing less and having less surface level friendships later in life-it’s natural to a degree. If amount socialization was the hallmark measure of wisdom, it would be the opposite.

Edited 14 hours ago by Terell Kirby

[Myagooshki]

I guess that's nice that y'all are discussing MBTI in here, but I would look at the bottom of page 1 and see my earlier post which goes further into detail about the actual Jungian ontological structures that MBTI ripped off to make its personality system: effectively derailing the study of personality into chaos.

[Miguel1]

If being one with God is so beautiful, why not be completely one with God?

Because it’s called death 😉

[TheEnigma]

As an extrovert, isn't my mind already disadvantaged for truth seeking then? I do long for high quality companionship and deep topics that can be discussed all night. But as an extrovert don't I create a lot of my own suffering by desiring that? But I can't help it.

Edited 8 hours ago by TheEnigma

[Rafael Thundercat]

If anyone  things there are no swallow people losing time in petty blabermouth I can invite them to be one day with my family. 

[PenguinPablo]

37 minutes ago, TheEnigma said:

As an extrovert, isn't my mind already disadvantaged for truth seeking then? I do long for high quality companionship and deep topics that can be discussed all night. But as an extrovert don't I create a lot of my own suffering by desiring that? But I can't help it.

I think that those with the preference so to speak for solitude are accurate in "seeing through all the bullshit" that comes with socializing.

However, I also think that we completely miss out on the richness of social connection and intimacy... Partly because we dismiss entirely and perhaps because we cannot fully perceive it or "tune" into that frequency.

A form of blindness if you will from both ends. 

Different wiring. 

Edited 8 hours ago by PenguinPablo

[AlterEgo]

18 hours ago, Shodburrito said:

@Leo Gura

 

Each response stripped away more of the spiritual pretense until we got to the truth: you're not interested in genuine spiritual growth or understanding - you just want to feel superior to others while pretending you're beyond judgement. 

Hey!  Someone on this forum finally said it.  🥳 

[Leo Gura]

It is counter-intuitive because extroverts can have an easier time awakening because they are not as lost in thinking and concepts.

So be careful assuming that as an extrovert you are doomed. There are many paths up the mountain. Find the path that fits you rather than worrying which paths others are taking. Spirituality comes in many forms to suit many types.

Most spiritual teachers don't even tell you this. It takes years to understand and appreciate how diverse this work can be. Customize it all to suit yourself.

Edited 7 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Aaron p]

19 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

That's literally the yogi's/monk's position.

I'm shocked that you're shocked by this.

If you won't wanna be a monk, then don't. It's that simple. Some of us like being monks and we don't need your guilt-tripping.

I literally had 2 people today tell it was their favorite post of mine. Then you tell me the opposite. You people are impossible to please. Anything I say pisses someone off. Maybe that's why I like being a monk.

@Leo Gura please do not let the unfortunate ... change how you post. I personally think you need to be harder on this kind of devilry. I mean it's literally devilry.

What you achieve by being appropriately hard on delusional people (who simply refuse to investigate or admit their own self-deception) is likely to be greater than that of a style that entertains bs. Its your empathic ability to sternly reject devilry that is a signature on the class of your teachings. It's what will attract those of us who choose to stand against self deception most vehemently. 

Edited 7 hours ago by Leo Gura
Removed name-calling

[Leo Gura]

@Aaron p Ease up on the name-calling.

[Aaron p]

Sorry yes. Upon further reflection I recognize that I think im possibly projecting and talking about the self deception in myself

[Thetruthseeker]

I personally loved that blog post. I’ve been contemplating it since I read it.
 

His sentiments in that post about socialising were something I’ve been feeling deep down for a while but couldn’t quite understand it fully. It was very helpful to me to see Leo articulate something I had a gut feeling about 

[Jacob Morres]

I could see socializing sometimes getting in the way of pursuing certain goals. But even then relationships can help in those domains, which would require high levels of social skills

I also think socializing is tied to biology, harvard's longest study found that relationships were the #1 source of happiness 

 

 

 

[RendHeaven]

8 hours ago, Myagooshki said:

I guess that's nice that y'all are discussing MBTI in here, but I would look at the bottom of page 1 and see my earlier post which goes further into detail about the actual Jungian ontological structures that MBTI ripped off to make its personality system: effectively derailing the study of personality into chaos.

Yea when Leo uses introvert/extrovert he's not talking about jungian cognitive functions lol he means very simply are you surrounded by people all the time or not

[RendHeaven]

2 minutes ago, Jacob Morres said:

harvard's longest study found that relationships were the #1 source of happiness 

You've got to wonder how many people in that study sample have mastered solitude. I would bet 0.

[Jacob Morres]

@RendHeaven thats a good point. studies at the end of the day measure averages, still i feel this this idea should be implemented strategically, it does come with a lot of risks to give up socialization 

Edited 3 hours ago by Jacob Morres