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Leo's Hot Take on Socializing: Missing the Point Entirely

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As a person who leans extroverted, I think we’re being way too sensitive on the socialization topic to be honest.

I took the post as simply highlighting an aspect of getting older and wiser. No one ever said socialization was bad, but it something you go through and grow out of as you age (assuming you actually grow up-some people stay stupid well into their 50s/60s).

Even everyday people who are not monks or yogis have had the experience of socializing less and having less surface level friendships later in life-it’s natural to a degree. If amount socialization was the hallmark measure of wisdom, it would be the opposite.

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I guess that's nice that y'all are discussing MBTI in here, but I would look at the bottom of page 1 and see my earlier post which goes further into detail about the actual Jungian ontological structures that MBTI ripped off to make its personality system: effectively derailing the study of personality into chaos.

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If being one with God is so beautiful, why not be completely one with God?

Because it’s called death 😉


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As an extrovert, isn't my mind already disadvantaged for truth seeking then? I do long for high quality companionship and deep topics that can be discussed all night. But as an extrovert don't I create a lot of my own suffering by desiring that? But I can't help it.

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If anyone  things there are no swallow people losing time in petty blabermouth I can invite them to be one day with my family. 

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  On 1/30/2025 at 9:34 PM, TheEnigma said:

As an extrovert, isn't my mind already disadvantaged for truth seeking then? I do long for high quality companionship and deep topics that can be discussed all night. But as an extrovert don't I create a lot of my own suffering by desiring that? But I can't help it.

I think that those with the preference so to speak for solitude are accurate in "seeing through all the bullshit" that comes with socializing.

However, I also think that we completely miss out on the richness of social connection and intimacy... Partly because we dismiss entirely and perhaps because we cannot fully perceive it or "tune" into that frequency.

A form of blindness if you will from both ends. 

Different wiring. 

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  On 1/30/2025 at 4:17 AM, Shodburrito said:

@Leo Gura

 

Each response stripped away more of the spiritual pretense until we got to the truth: you're not interested in genuine spiritual growth or understanding - you just want to feel superior to others while pretending you're beyond judgement. 

Hey!  Someone on this forum finally said it.  🥳 

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It is counter-intuitive because extroverts can have an easier time awakening because they are not as lost in thinking and concepts.

So be careful assuming that as an extrovert you are doomed. There are many paths up the mountain. Find the path that fits you rather than worrying which paths others are taking. Spirituality comes in many forms to suit many types.

Most spiritual teachers don't even tell you this. It takes years to understand and appreciate how diverse this work can be. Customize it all to suit yourself.

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  On 1/30/2025 at 3:50 AM, Leo Gura said:

That's literally the yogi's/monk's position.

I'm shocked that you're shocked by this.

If you won't wanna be a monk, then don't. It's that simple. Some of us like being monks and we don't need your guilt-tripping.

I literally had 2 people today tell it was their favorite post of mine. Then you tell me the opposite. You people are impossible to please. Anything I say pisses someone off. Maybe that's why I like being a monk.

@Leo Gura please do not let the unfortunate ... change how you post. I personally think you need to be harder on this kind of devilry. I mean it's literally devilry.

What you achieve by being appropriately hard on delusional people (who simply refuse to investigate or admit their own self-deception) is likely to be greater than that of a style that entertains bs. Its your empathic ability to sternly reject devilry that is a signature on the class of your teachings. It's what will attract those of us who choose to stand against self deception most vehemently. 

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Removed name-calling

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@Aaron p Ease up on the name-calling.


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Sorry yes. Upon further reflection I recognize that I think im possibly projecting and talking about the self deception in myself

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I personally loved that blog post. I’ve been contemplating it since I read it.
 

His sentiments in that post about socialising were something I’ve been feeling deep down for a while but couldn’t quite understand it fully. It was very helpful to me to see Leo articulate something I had a gut feeling about 

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I could see socializing sometimes getting in the way of pursuing certain goals. But even then relationships can help in those domains, which would require high levels of social skills

I also think socializing is tied to biology, harvard's longest study found that relationships were the #1 source of happiness 

 

 

 

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  On 1/30/2025 at 6:19 PM, Myagooshki said:

I guess that's nice that y'all are discussing MBTI in here, but I would look at the bottom of page 1 and see my earlier post which goes further into detail about the actual Jungian ontological structures that MBTI ripped off to make its personality system: effectively derailing the study of personality into chaos.

Yea when Leo uses introvert/extrovert he's not talking about jungian cognitive functions lol he means very simply are you surrounded by people all the time or not


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  On 1/31/2025 at 2:27 AM, Jacob Morres said:

harvard's longest study found that relationships were the #1 source of happiness 

You've got to wonder how many people in that study sample have mastered solitude. I would bet 0.


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@RendHeaven thats a good point. studies at the end of the day measure averages, still i feel this this idea should be implemented strategically, it does come with a lot of risks to give up socialization 

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  On 1/31/2025 at 2:42 AM, Jacob Morres said:

thats a good point. studies at the end of the day measure averages, still i feel this this idea should be implemented strategically, it does come with a lot of risks to give up socialization 

I agree. I will never "give up socialization" because I love people too much. But going forward I will cherish alone time more. Really sink into it as opposed to being vaguely antsy and distracted


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  On 1/31/2025 at 2:29 AM, RendHeaven said:

Yea when Leo uses introvert/extrovert he's not talking about jungian cognitive functions lol he means very simply are you surrounded by people all the time or not

No, I am 100% talking about Jungian cognitive functions.

Whether you are surrounded by people is irrelevant to me. What matters is the core of how your mind works.

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  On 1/31/2025 at 3:46 AM, Leo Gura said:

No, I am 100% talking about Jungian cognitive functions.

@Leo Gura Hmm. Well then in that case you can't just extrapolate from "E" vs "I" and make simple claims about social behavior.

Because as user @Myagooshki points out, the "E" vs "I" demarcation is a shorthand representation of Jung's 8 core cognitive functions: https://cognitiveprocesses.com/

The difference between an INFJ and an ENFJ is NOT how social they are. The difference is in how they process the world.

https://chatgpt.com/share/679c4f03-af34-800f-9d3c-c48484b8a86e

I hope you take the time to read this chatGPT elucidation. Your final conclusion may still hold water, but if you're going to invoke Jungian cognitive functions, then the rationale is more nuanced.

 

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forgot to ping leo >:)

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@RendHeaven I don't see the relevance of your point. Introverts are less social than extroverts. That's the only relevant point and changes nothing of what I said.

Your point would have been stronger if you appealed to sensing vs intuition and cases of people like introverted sensors or extroverted intuitives.

I've studied all the cognitive functions.

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