Some thoughts about hunger and eating

[Sugarcoat]

Something I’ve noticed in myself is that if I just eat when I’m genuinely hungry, I won’t eat much and often at all. It’s like my body wants to be lean. I eat nowadays twice a day but on weekends I’ll even eat once a day sometimes and it feels enough. 
 

Fasting is healthy but I feel there’s something about a caloric deficit that can be healthy too. Like it feels better to not stuff yourself, to eat less. It feels like the body gets to clear itself out more. There’s something about just eating what you absolutely need and not more that seems healthy to me. I haven’t done research into this but I think I’ve heard somewhere that fasting increases autophagy (your bodies cellular recycling system) which is healthy but that a caloric deficit does the same thing. 

I wonder why people get hungry so often. I don’t eat often as I said but I have amazing energy levels. I understands if someone works out a lot but I don’t get how people get so hungry they need to eat like 5 times a day. I have some guesses, maybe if someone is stressed that takes more energy in general so they feel more hungry, or if they’re not sleeping too well it makes them more hungry. Or because a lot of food today is hyper palatable so they’re not even genuinely hungry it’s more a craving mistaken for hunger. 

I also posted a topic a while back about the minds role in diet. And I accidentally stumbled across this video on insta that explained it really well:

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DDdaryOyaKc/?igsh=MzQ5NGIwMnE4eHlj

 

Edited January 29 by Sugarcoat

[Schizophonia]

If i am euphoric or on the contrary upset, manic in general, it will tend to increase my appetite. If i am quite serious/neutral most of the time i will have much less and tend to be thin. I can most of the time be satisfied with one or two meals, especially if they are whole foods.

 

It’s astonishing you feel « super energic » given that your medication lol.

[Sugarcoat]

12 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

If i am euphoric or on the contrary upset, manic in general, it will tend to increase my appetite. If i am quite serious/neutral most of the time i will have much less and tend to be thin. I can most of the time be satisfied with one or two meals, especially if they are whole foods.

 

 

I feel neutral most of the time so that makes some sense. Maybe those upset, euphoric, manic states are more stressful thus require more energy

13 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

 

It’s astonishing you feel « super energic » given that your medication lol.

Is it supposed to make me tired? I don’t feel that at all

[Schizophonia]

 

22 hours ago, Sugarcoat said:

Is it supposed to make me tired? I don’t feel that at all

Yes, because of extra prolactin and downregulation of stimulant neurotransmitters neurotransmition. 

[Princess Arabia]

Most of the foods nowadays are deficient in nutrients and lack any substance unless it's whole foods or real foods from nature. Msg can make one feel hungrier sooner and ready to eat again in a short span of time. Empty calories will do this too. Maybe, in some cases this is the reason. 

[MarkKol]

You're not living up to your name, where's the sugary part?

It's conflicting, a calorie deficit does promote longevity, but so does the muscle on your body, muscle makes you live longer and healthier, and you get the additional benefit of not being weak and utterly useless when you're 60, at which point your ability to gain muscle is handicapped, no pun intended. It's conflicting precisely because you'll have less muscle in a caloric deficit, that's the conflicting part. 

On 1/30/2025 at 10:41 PM, Princess Arabia said:

Most of the foods nowadays are deficient in nutrients and lack any substance unless it's whole foods or real foods from nature. Msg can make one feel hungrier sooner and ready to eat again in a short span of time. Empty calories will do this too. Maybe, in some cases this is the reason. 

It's actually pretty difficult for something to be "empty calories" IMO, think about what you're claiming with "empty calories". you're claiming that all the nutrients have been pulled out of the food, which is hard to do even if McDonalds tried to pull the zinc out of their meat with nanobots!

Anyway, It's mostly the additives and toxins, that's the shit in a shit diet. 

On 1/29/2025 at 9:00 PM, Sugarcoat said:

I don’t get how people get so hungry they need to eat like 5 times a day.

They're bored out of their minds with no fulfilling work going on in their lives

Edited Saturday at 12:42 AM by MarkKol

[Princess Arabia]

1 hour ago, MarkKol said:

It's actually pretty difficult for something to be "empty calories" IMO, think about what you're claiming with "empty calories". you're claiming that all the nutrients have been pulled out of the food, which is hard to do even if McDonalds tried to pull the zinc out of their meat with nanobots!

 

[MarkKol]

2 hours ago, Princess Arabia said:

 

I think we can agree that "Empty calories" is just a misnomer, nothing can really be empty calories, my point wasn't that it's healthy just that it's usually impossible to pull ALL the nutrients out of food. Not that it matters anyway, it's still bad.

The guy in the video says he eats 1500-1600 calories per day, I'd like to see him climb a set of stairs, he's frail, and he's weak even in his most recent video, which is worsened by his caloric intake, no doubt about it. Understandably, a human weakens in old age, but the severity of that depends on what you do while you're young, he didn't do a good job, he can talk about his chestnuts and kale all he wants.

If that guy falls due to lack of muscle mass and breaks his hip, there's a 20-30% chance he's dead within a year, there's a 50% chance (approximately) that his mobility will get even worse than it already was, and with that comes a god knows what chance, probably 2x or 3x increased likelihood of falling and breaking a bone again. This is well-documented research.

If your 80-year-old grandma falls and breaks a bone 3 times in a year you can basically kiss her goodbye.

@Schizophonia will be doing better than him when he reaches his age, and he's putting testosterone creams on his balls  That's a serious commitment, better than eating 1500 calories. 

Edited Saturday at 04:25 AM by MarkKol

[Princess Arabia]

@MarkKolit's not about taking out the nutrients out of food but that some so-called food has no nutrients to begin with and are just empty calories. White sugar and sodas are examples of this. They don't supply any nutrients only calories. Many processed foods fits in this category. 

[Hojo]

In hinduism I have read that they say if you don't work you don't eat. And you only eat one meal a day if you do. Sadhguru says eat 1 banana and a handful of peanuts and you are good to go. Every religious text says stop eating and you will connect with God.

[gambler]

33 minutes ago, Hojo said:

In hinduism I have read that they say if you don't work you don't eat. And you only eat one meal a day if you do. Sadhguru says eat 1 banana and a handful of peanuts and you are good to go. Every religious text says stop eating and you will connect with God.

When you don’t eat, your body burns the fat on you. It feels like you get full off the fat burning. It’s sort of like a meal that you don’t ingest. But that’s what makes it so different. Unlike having your body first breakdown the food in your stomach before extracting the nutrients and then spending resources converting the waste into poo. Not only does it seem more efficient, but the body being freed of resources makes it easier on the body. And it can spend some of it instead on other things that are replenishing and healthy. 

Edited Saturday at 10:45 AM by gambler

[Schizophonia]

11 hours ago, MarkKol said:

 

@Schizophonia will be doing better than him when he reaches his age, and he's putting testosterone creams on his balls  That's a serious commitment, better than eating 1500 calories. 

I will have activated the immortality genes and become super powerful thanks to AI  

4 hours ago, Hojo said:

In hinduism I have read that they say if you don't work you don't eat. And you only eat one meal a day if you do. Sadhguru says eat 1 banana and a handful of peanuts and you are good to go. Every religious text says stop eating and you will connect with God.

Sadhguru looks like a pear and almost died of a brain hemorrhage.

Most yogis who follow a typical zealous diet ethic don't look good in general.

Edited Saturday at 02:22 PM by Schizophonia

[Sugarcoat]

On 2025-01-30 at 8:58 PM, Schizophonia said:

 

Yes, because of extra prolactin and downregulation of stimulant neurotransmitters neurotransmition. 

Makes sense but I dont feel that

[Sugarcoat]

On 2025-01-30 at 10:41 PM, Princess Arabia said:

Most of the foods nowadays are deficient in nutrients and lack any substance unless it's whole foods or real foods from nature. Msg can make one feel hungrier sooner and ready to eat again in a short span of time. Empty calories will do this too. Maybe, in some cases this is the reason. 

Makes sense yea its probably a reason

[Sugarcoat]

18 hours ago, MarkKol said:

You're not living up to your name, where's the sugary part?

Hehe, i tend to eat some sweets on weekends

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18 hours ago, MarkKol said:

It's conflicting, a calorie deficit does promote longevity, but so does the muscle on your body, muscle makes you live longer and healthier, and you get the additional benefit of not being weak and utterly useless when you're 60, at which point your ability to gain muscle is handicapped, no pun intended. It's conflicting precisely because you'll have less muscle in a caloric deficit, that's the conflicting part. 

 

Also a caloric deficit will make you lose weight per definition, and you can't lose weight forever so you can't maintain a caloric deficit forever, so healthiest would probably be to do maintanence calories after a while, and then you'd be able to gain muscle, and maybe doing some fasting sometimes. I think ive heard about this longevity diet where they eat normally then every month do some days fasting and thats supposed to give those benefits. 

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18 hours ago, MarkKol said:

They're bored out of their minds with no fulfilling work going on in their lives

 

Boredom can def lead to overeating thats right. And probably stress too. 

[Sugarcoat]

9 hours ago, Hojo said:

In hinduism I have read that they say if you don't work you don't eat. And you only eat one meal a day if you do. Sadhguru says eat 1 banana and a handful of peanuts and you are good to go. Every religious text says stop eating and you will connect with God.

I think there can be something spiritual about fasting and eating less. The body gets to do other things than digest food. 

[sholomar]

Eating like anything can be a psychological addition as the body craves the dopamine release that the food brings. Also, certain medications such as antidepressants (SSRIs, Seroquel, etc) can increase appetite, as can marijuana.  Really it comes down to two types of people... those who let their emotions and impulses control them and those who learn to mindfully observe them while taking different action.

All of personal development is about seeing that your thoughts and emotions are not actually "you" and self discipline is about being able to act in spite of the emotional urge to do something else. That "battle" will always be there, due to our genetics. It's easy to not eat when food is scarce, as it was most of our evolution. It's harder to do when food is abundant, and so delicious compared to anything we ever evolved on. The sheer amount of dopamine stimulating hedonism we are exposed to is unlike anything we ever evolved on.

Edited Saturday at 09:25 PM by sholomar

[Sugarcoat]

18 hours ago, sholomar said:

Eating like anything can be a psychological addition as the body craves the dopamine release that the food brings. Also, certain medications such as antidepressants (SSRIs, Seroquel, etc) can increase appetite, as can marijuana.  Really it comes down to two types of people... those who let their emotions and impulses control them and those who learn to mindfully observe them while taking different action.

All of personal development is about seeing that your thoughts and emotions are not actually "you" and self discipline is about being able to act in spite of the emotional urge to do something else. That "battle" will always be there, due to our genetics. It's easy to not eat when food is scarce, as it was most of our evolution. It's harder to do when food is abundant, and so delicious compared to anything we ever evolved on. The sheer amount of dopamine stimulating hedonism we are exposed to is unlike anything we ever evolved on.

Right. I personally don’t have much cravings at all anymore, it’s like the food doesn’t give me the dopamine that it used to. But I can see how that is a factor for overeating, especially because food nowadays is so tasty. When I used to have strong cravings in the past it would be very difficult to resist I remember, so if someone has that on a daily basis I can see how it’s difficult to resist. By abstaining from super tasty unhealthy food I wonder if that can lessen the cravings and then make discipline easier. Nowadays eating healthy is easy for me as I don’t really have much cravings.  I am on anti depressant but don’t notice an increase in appetite so it seems it affects different people differently. 

[Schizophonia]

51 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

Right. I personally don’t have much cravings at all anymore, it’s like the food doesn’t give me the dopamine that it used to. But I can see how that is a factor for overeating, especially because food nowadays is so tasty. When I used to have strong cravings in the past it would be very difficult to resist I remember, so if someone has that on a daily basis I can see how it’s difficult to resist. By abstaining from super tasty unhealthy food I wonder if that can lessen the cravings and then make discipline easier. Nowadays eating healthy is easy for me as I don’t really have much cravings.  I am on anti depressant but don’t notice an increase in appetite so it seems it affects different people differently. 

To read while lisping* :

Typical antidepressants like prozac or lexapro will rather decrease appetite, tricyclic or atypical antidepressants (such as seroquel) will increase appetite. 

That's why serotonin blockers, especially the 5HT2A receptor, are used for low appetite, and low libido.

 

straighten his glasses*

Edited Sunday at 05:17 PM by Schizophonia

[Sugarcoat]

5 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

To read while lisping* :

Typical antidepressants like prozac or lexapro will rather decrease appetite, tricyclic or atypical antidepressants (such as seroquel) will increase appetite. 

That's why serotonin blockers, especially the 5HT2A receptor, are used for low appetite, and low libido.

 

straighten his glasses*

I don’t think I notice any change in my appetite from the meds actually.