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RFK Jr getting grilled at confirmation hearing

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19 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

This mischaracterizes the issue.

Chronic disease is mostly a function of the irresponsible ways in which people eat and maintain their personal health.

Ah I see, I haven’t considered this perspective. Thanks for sharing it!

I am also wondering how much the government could do to improve the situation. What if, instead of seeing ads on TV about mcdonalds, coca-cola, etc., there would be campaigns educating people of the real effects this garbage has on their health?

Also, look up the food pyramid that the government is pushing on people - stating the most consumed foods should be bread, pasta and cereals. Isn’t that insane?

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8 minutes ago, Gennadiy1981 said:

I was helping his campaign FYI

Therein is the problem. Just because he's personally nice to you doesn't mean he doesn't spread harmful nonsense publicly.

You are like Jeffery Epstein's pool cleaner. Yeah, he's nice to you because he has no reason not to be. You're just a pawn in his game.

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16 minutes ago, Myagooshki said:

@Leo Gura if you're trying to tell me about "The Real Anthony Fauci", I haven't read that book, I do have it, somebody gave it to me, but I'm talking about what is currently going on. The attacks from Warren and Sanders were un-nuanced, much like the attacks from Rand Paul to Biden's HHS director were un-nuanced.

It's not limited to any one book. RFK has a long history of saying pure delusional, false nonsense. And then he lies and acts like he didn't say it when it's all on record. He says batshit falsehoods to his die hard fanbase, then when pressed on it publicly he weasels around and denies it. Then he goes back to saying batshit things to his fanbase.

Publicly he says he's for vaccines, but his whole fanbase knows he's anti-vax. It's gross. He cannot even be consistent on being anti-vax. He is whatever he needs people to think he is to get power.

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12 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Publicly he says he's for vaccines, but his whole fanbase knows he's anti-vax. It's gross. He cannot even be consistent on being anti-vax. He is whatever he needs people to think he is to get power.

Leo are you serious? No offense to you, but I really thought you are smarter than this? Was this question a legit or you were playing a game? And by the way, I was in DC today. And he is not necessary nice to me, he is a very nice person and a truly genuine, I do know him for many years and I am not his pool cleaner.

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21 minutes ago, Gennadiy1981 said:

No offense to you all, but you are all blind with ignorance. I actually personally know RFK Jr. and I was helping his campaign FYI. He is a very sincere person as I know him not through what the Pharma says but from personal interaction. And its really disguising to see how you are all laughing just by listening to the media. This man sacrificed a lot to help injure children and he only got elected to help people. 

Honestly you all claim you are enlightened, but you are sitting in the dark.

We are pushing very hard to get him nominated and then watch, the facts will come out and you all will be apologizing for mislabeling a very sincere individual. You all lost yourself in these world of conspiracies. Shame on all of you.

And by the way, Ahem, guess what we will also do, we will work on making psychedelics legal so you all be thanking us later.

I'm agnostic to a lot of things in politics. So many people in politics lie about stuff, and I don't really trust science myself. I know a few studies done on things that I've experienced with, such as polyphasic sleeping. The only official study done on polyphasic sleeping was done on an Uberman schedule, which is not meant to be a sustainable schedule. There are others like Everyman 1-3 that were not considered at all in the study. Also, the participants were not wearing red glasses 20 minutes before their naps or for 2 hours (from what I remember) in the middle of the night. The NIH is full of crap studies. I read them and I gawk at them. Even when people try to say that red meat is bad for you and the sample size is 180,000. People try to say that brown rice lowers the risk of heart disease. The only thing seemingly inherent in the study (which wasn't written very well) is that people who eat brown rice eat generally healthier than people who eat white rice. And of course this is the united states. You probably wouldn't see the same results if you did the study in Japan. Brown rice does contain a certain amount of phytic acid though, which can lower protein absorption by a lot and effectively make you hungrier. This is just one example. 

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1 minute ago, Myagooshki said:

I'm agnostic to a lot of things in politics. 

You should always do your research. Thank God we have eyes and most of us were blessed with brains, so we need to use them. And by the way there are a lot of good studies available out there especially on pubmed.

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3 minutes ago, Myagooshki said:

Brown rice does contain a certain amount of phytic acid though, which can lower protein absorption

It’s also full of Arsenic, which is a heavy metal and can build up in your body over time and cause various chronic illnesses.

It’s crazy that the government is pushing such info. How are we allowing this?

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1 minute ago, cistanche_enjoyer said:

It’s also full of Arsenic, which is a heavy metal and can build up in your body over time and cause various chronic illnesses.

It’s crazy that the government is pushing such info. How are we allowing this?

@cistanche_enjoyer

The amount of arsenic in brown rice is pretty trivial, it's mostly the phytic acid stuff that's going on. I tried the keto diet before and I didn't do it right. I did "dirty keto" as they say. Right now I'm counting calories and trying to up all my macros, especially protein, in order to feel full. I'm 5 foot 9 and 215 pounds so I should eat about 2300 calories a day to lose weight. I often eat less because eating 2000 calories worth of high quality food is very filling. 

Here's a nuance that I'm not sure that RFK is considering: different seed oils are worse or better for you. It's not so much about the Omega 6s but the Omega 3s, and the amount per dl. something like that. I forget what subdivision of liter. But, canola oil is only slightly worse for you than olive oil. Soybean, sunflower, cottonseed, stuff like that, that's really bad for you.. but canola, sesame, mustard, this stuff is not really that bad. If you're looking for cheaper oils like you can't afford olive or coconut then canola is basically fine. 

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27 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

It's not limited to any one book. RFK has a long history of saying pure delusional, false nonsense. And then he lies and acts like he didn't say it when it's all on record. He says batshit falsehoods to his die hard fanbase, then when pressed on it publicly he weasels around and denies it. Then he goes back to saying batshit things to his fanbase.

Publicly he says he's for vaccines, but his whole fanbase knows he's anti-vax. It's gross. He cannot even be consistent on being anti-vax. He is whatever he needs people to think he is to get power.

From what I remember, I was listening to him on JRE in 2020 or 2021, he is not anti-vax, he is pro flu shot and rabies and polio and tetanus and all of that. He was and is anti covid vax, yes. A lot of people are anti covid vax. I took three Pfizer shots myself. If I was going to do it over again I would have just taken one Johnson and Johnson. But I remember his JRE episode when he was advertising his "The Real Anthony Fauci" and if he's going to shake up the science literature industrial complex, good for him. It is currently extremely corrupt and I know you don't disagree. If he gets in and does a lot of bullshit, then I guess he sold out. 

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8 minutes ago, Myagooshki said:

he is not anti-vax, he is pro flu shot and rabies and polio and tetanus and all of that.

That's his public game. He says that on Joe Rogan. But to his hardcore fans he's their anti-vax crusader.

It's like when Trump or Musk dog-whistle to the Nazi base of their party while denying that they know anything about it.

All hardcore RFK fans know his entire purpose for existence is to champion their anti-vax cause because they fundamentally believe vaccines cause autism.

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26 minutes ago, Gennadiy1981 said:

Leo are you serious? No offense to you, but I really thought you are smarter than this?

Don't even.

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He didnt say he was against vaccines just the covid one? I heard the hearing.  
This hearing just put him in favor with the republican party.  

Congrats democrats, he might become the next president under the republican party.  lol a Kennedy?  

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7 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

That's his public game. He says that on Joe Rogan. But to his hardcore fans he's their anti-vax crusader.

It's like when Trump or Musk dog-whistle to the Nazi base of their party while denying that they know anything about it.

All hardcore RFK fans know his entire purpose for existence is to champion their anti-vax cause because they fundamentally believe vaccines cause autism.

I saw a post recently that showed the image of the German Tesla headquarters saying "Heil Tesla" and the caption read "look at this. Germany is about to ban Tesla from the country. The EU is about to ban Tesla because of these Nazi references. Tesla will definitely not be able to compete in the electric car game worldwide if that happens". And I don't think that's necessarily true because the whole world is a lot bigger than just the EU, but it might have been part of the purpose: to make it so that he cannot sell Teslas in the EU because he is trying to make it so that standard gas cars are dominant again. Political games, eh? I didn't like neuralink as an idea and I'm glad that's mostly going nowhere. I do like boxabl a lot. Hopefully that genuinely kicks off. I drive a Prius. I think Prius technology is peak car, actually. More affordable, pollutes less, enough resources in the world to replace all the gas guzzlers on the road with Prius-like hybrid things. 

Some of these characters use dogwhistles but it doesn't seem inherent to me that they are intent on acting in the direction that they hint the dogwhistles. 

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1 minute ago, Tanz said:

He didnt say he was against vaccines just the covid one? I heard the hearing.  

Yes, in the hearing he was only discussing his problems with the covid vaccine and the peer review establishment. He has also been saying similar things for years. Some of his supporters are rabid anti vax people and he or his companies that he may or may not be currently associated with makes money selling to those demographics. 

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Looks like he got smoked pretty bad, but it's hard to say how impactful that actually is on his confirmation.

Fingers-crossed.

And like I said yesterday in another thread, this is the kind of heat the Dems need to be bringing. Trump and his goons will totally bulldoze you if you are too passive.


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33 minutes ago, Myagooshki said:

but it might have been part of the purpose: to make it so that he cannot sell Teslas in the EU because he is trying to make it so that standard gas cars are dominant again.

That is not what is happening.

His big fat ego got him in trouble. That's what is happening.

Losing Tesla sales in the EU would be a huge problem for him.

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I work in alternative medicine. I have real world anecdotal evidence of the dangers of glyphosate, vaccines, wifi, cell phones, etc. This forum is highly uninformed about the true causes of ill health. I can't say that I blame you guys tho. The propaganda machine and big business do a fantastic job at selling the lies.

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This is from https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/the-anti-vaxxer-playbook-to-destroy-confidence-in-covid-19-vaccines/

which documents how RFK jr and others led a campaign to take advantage of the covid pandemic and use that to increase negative sentiment around vaccines so that they can make money from it. I've only included some of the report but you can click the link for the whole thing. This is truly despicable behaviour imo because lives were on the line. To present this guy as someone who's going to save health when this was his reaction to a pandemic is completely nuts, it's like the chickens voting for the wolf to look after their safety.

In early 2020 the CCDH put out a report entitled The Anti-Vaxx Industry which examined anti-vaccine social media, noting that 409 different English language anti-vaccine accounts had 58 million followers, with evidence that collectively, followers had grown approximately 19% since 2019. The COVID-19 pandemic has been a booming business opportunity for anti-vaxxers and social media alike. The CCDH named four different sub-communities of anti-vaxxers:

Campaigners are full-time, anti-vaccine professionals who may be seen as “experts”. They make a living based on promoting anti-vaccine sentiment and ideas. Their examples include: Informed Consent Action Network (Del Bigtree), Children’s Health Defence (Robert F. Kennedy Jr.), and the National Vaccine Information Center (NVIC).

Entrepreneurs leverage and amplify vaccine fears to sell content, products and services. Examples include Rashid Buttar, Ty and Charlene Bollinger, David Wolfe, Judy Mikovits, and the biggest, Joseph Mercola.

Conspiracists focus on vaccines from a conspiracy angle, but vaccines are not their full-time focus. They may also be entrepreneurs. Examples they listed include Brian Rose, David Icke, and Patrick Bet-David.

Communities are groups that share anti-vaccine ideas and stories, usually in Facebook Groups. Examples include “Stop Mandatory Vaccination”, “Vaccine Re-education Discussion Forum”, “Vaccine Choices”, and many more hidden, private groups.

Certainly there is some overlap in these categories, and while I might quibble with their classifications, it’s worth acknowledging that anti-vaccine sentiment and rhetoric can be driven by a variety of motivations. While Facebook and other providers took some steps to address anti-vaccine sentiment after measles outbreaks in the US, the measures were largely ineffective in preventing its continued growth on the platforms. For example, Robert F. Kennedy Jr, who has touted COVID-related conspiracies since the beginning of the pandemic, has seen his Instagram following rise from 121,000 at the beginning of the pandemic to 792,000 today. He is just one example of the number of anti-vaccine advocates who have seen large increases in audience and reach. This type of growth is continuing largely unabated, probably because the CCDH has estimated that the anti-vaccine movement could be generating up to $1 billion in advertising revenue across the different platforms. Facilitating and spreading vaccine misinformation is highly profitable.

The master narrative

Despite the disparate group of individuals that are driving anti-vaccine sentiment, messaging has consolidated around a few key messages. NVIC’s virtual conference in October 2020 was accessible to anyone that registered, and CCDH attended. Prominent speakers included Barbara Loe Fisher (NVIC), Joseph Mercola, Del Bigtree, Robert F. Kennedy Jr., Sherri Tenpenny, and Andrew Wakefield. CCDH noted that these speakers see COVID-19 as a historic opportunity:

A number of speakers at the NVIC conference presented the Covid pandemic as an historic opportunity to popularise anti-vaccine sentiment. Robert F. Kennedy Jr. told activists listening to the conference “All of the truths that we’ve been trying to broadcast for many, many years. There are people hearing it and the impact and those seeds are landing on very fertile ground.” The disgraced physician Andrew Wakefield echoed these sentiments, saying “The population who are aware of these issues has grown dramatically in the face of coronavirus, Covid-19. It is now an issue for discussion by everyone.” Other anti-vaxxers such as Sherri Tenpenny highlighted the Covid pandemic as an opportunity to build a wider movement with campaigners against masks and lockdowns: “We need everyone to get politically active, get behind this cause, get behind Hugs Over Masks, get behind MAD, Mothers Against Distancing, get behind the NVIC, the National Vaccine Information Center, get behind the things that we’re doing over at vaxxter.com, and Courses for Mastery, and our boot camp course that open enrolment is coming up again, the end of September. All the things that we’re doing, we need all hands on deck. We need everybody to release their fear from their brains, get rid of their masks, go hug people and absolutely say no. Wake up your community.”

There are three key messages identified by the CCDH that are overlapping and common across these different speakers. They are recurrent and you will see them, in some form, in almost all anti-COVID-19-vaccine messaging:

COVID-19 is not dangerous. Talking points: There are few deaths, and death reports are exaggerated. “It’s just the flu.” “It will just go away on its own.”

COVID-19 vaccines are dangerous. Talking points: “The vaccines were rushed.” “The vaccines are killing people.” “Natural” immunity is better. Other treatments (e.g., hydroxychloroquine) are safer and better. “Vaccines are toxic.” “Vaccines will change your DNA/destroy your immune system.” etc. etc.

Vaccine advocates cannot be trusted. Talking points: “It’s politics over health.” “It’s Big Pharma profits over health.” Vaccines are “too big to fail” and manufacturers are “not liable for injuries.” “Bill Gates! Bill Gates! Bill Gates!”

Adapting the Master Narrative

The Master Narrative is easily adaptable to target specific groups. The CCDH lists four, and describes how messaging is being modified to make the messaging more appealing:

Alternative health advocates

“COVID-19 is not dangerous” becomes “Alternative health products can prevent or treat COVID-19.” This is simply an extension of what we have documented repeatedly at this blog – the unending array of unproven or ineffective products touted as effective because someone has something to sell.

“The COVID-19 vaccine is dangerous” is translated to “Alternative health experts say the vaccine is dangerous.” Another recurrent topic on this blog, where we have documented the efforts of naturopaths, chiropractors, homeopaths and other providers who do not practice based on scientific standards. Some of these practitioners are repeating misinformation and leveraging their perceived credibility as “professionals”.

“Vaccine advocates cannot be trusted” becomes “Vaccine advocates suppress alternative health.” This is something that any health professional who advocates for science-based medicine hears all the time. By criticizing unproven or disproven remedies, we are dogmatic, not open to new ideas, and beholden to the pharma-industrial complex.

Conspiracy theorists

“COVID-19 is not dangerous” is translated to “COVID is a Scamdemic.” The message becomes: COVID-19 doesn’t exist, or has never been isolated. Or it’s all due to 5G.

“The COVID-19 vaccine is dangerous” is translated to “The vaccine is designed to control you or kill you.” Vaccination (this one at least) will apparently usher in some sort of totalitarian society. Microchips in the vaccines (really tiny ones) will track you and cause mind control.

“Vaccine advocates cannot be trusted” becomes “COVID is a Plandemic”. The pandemic was all intentional, to create the need for lockdowns and infringements on civil liberties. The vaccine will be used to kill millions as part of “The Great Reset” which will destroy the global economy.

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4 minutes ago, Cobblestone Prince said:

I have real world anecdotal evidence of the dangers of glyphosate, vaccines, wifi, cell phones, etc.

That's not going to cut it.

Alternative medicine does more propaganda than mainstream medicine. 


"Finding your reason can be so deceiving, a subliminal place. 

I will not break, 'cause I've been riding the curves of these infinity words and so I'll be on my way. I will not stay.

 And it goes On and On, On and On"

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Someone please use AI to give us a summary of false/problematic claims RFK has made on the record.

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