RFK Jr getting grilled at confirmation hearing

[Hardkill]

4 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Actually, I changed my mind. The Dems did important work questioning RFK.

Sure, but they are still struggling a lot with getting all of that out there to the public. They need to be much louder, respond faster, and get on more social media/internet outlets/shows on everything that happens under Trump.

[Joshe]

38 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Actually, I changed my mind. The Dems did important work questioning RFK.

I think they actually did a good job. They kept the focus on the lack of integrity and kept their own theatrics and virtue signaling to a minimum. Over time, that can move people over. If they just stop all virtue signaling, avoid anything that resembles woke, and only shine the light on the devilry, that’s the strategy I think is best for them. Imagine if every time you heard from a Dem they were speaking of ironclad proof of corruption, deception, and all manner of devilry. The people have rejected their idealism, so they should stop trying to sell them their ideas and start blackpilling them instead. We need brute force. It would get tired and old, but it would work as long as they don’t cry wolf and attack on bullshit. Those RFK attacks were solid.

[Leo Gura]

In the midst of all this Trump nonsense it is easy to forget that there are good Dems fighting the good fight every day.

We must be careful not to get mired in cynicism.

Edited yesterday at 01:51 AM by Leo Gura

[Joshe]

4 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

In the midst of all this Trump nonsense it is easy to forget that there are good Dems fighting the good fight every day.

That was the beauty of those hearings. A normie watching would intuit those Democrats were decent, well-meaning people who want to do good things, simultaneously walking away with a lower view of the obviously corrupt RFK. They are more effective at getting their points across like that than they are at selling ideas the people are too selfish to care about. 

[Myagooshki]

Are you guys entirely sure that he doesn't have any valid points regarding chronic disease and banning certain ingredients in food that you see them doing in other countries? Depending upon how civil the conversation is I may or may not be asking questions here. I've had a lot of doctors be very manipulative towards me. I do not blindly support doctors at all. I was not impressed with Elizabeth Warren's words, it did seem to me that she was asking RFK to say that he wouldn't be allowed to sue healthcare companies. Bernie Sanders saying healthcare should be a human right, I think there should be far less insured and underinsured in the country but calling it a "right" seems to imply that in scarcity conditions there would be zero sum games of who gets certain treatments and who doesn't. "Every other developed country" as Sanders puts it isn't correct, many other developed countries have healthcare systems where people technically have to pay a small amount (not what we pay here) but it is technically still a marketplace. Places like South Korea and Denmark. My assessment of RFK and "the establishment" and things like that, yeah RFK has said some weird things about vaccines that now he appears to be rescinding, but Warren and Sanders didn't impress me.

[Leo Gura]

2 minutes ago, Myagooshki said:

Are you guys entirely sure that he doesn't have any valid points regarding chronic disease and banning certain ingredients in food

Of course he has a point.

And Hitler was a vegan.

[Myagooshki]

Being vegan is not a good idea for many people, and you're not a vegan either if I remember so correctly. I'm still unimpressed with Warren and Sanders.

[Leo Gura]

@Myagooshki You miss the point. The point has nothing to do with veganism.

Edited yesterday at 02:13 AM by Leo Gura

[Myagooshki]

Yes,@Leo Gura , the post is not about veganism, but neither is my message, and if you want to counter my message then you should respond to the various points that I am bringing up. I have given reasons as to why I am less suspicious of RFK and I am yet to be countered on this.

[Hardkill]

3 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

In the midst of all this Trump nonsense it is easy to forget that there are good Dems fighting the good fight every day.

We must be careful not to get mired in cynicism.

There are some Dems out there who are good at communicating in this new media environment like AOC or Newsom.

But it's still not nearly enough. They really have a lot of work to do if they truly want to win the messaging war. Otherwise, their voices will either be drowned out by both the dominance of the right-wing propaganda machine and the growing anti-mainstream media or their voices won't be heard at all by enough voters, particularly with those who are less engaged voters. 

That's the biggest reason why Democrats lost in 2024 and why they could very well lose again in 2028.

Even the Pod Bros have been very disappointed by the Democratic party lately:

 

Edited yesterday at 05:52 AM by Hardkill

[Joshe]

7 minutes ago, Myagooshki said:

I'm still unimpressed with Warren and Sanders.

The main goal was to affect your opinion of RFK. Did your opinion of him lower at all? His total flip on abortion is about the strongest indicator you can get that he’s just a grifter who will say whatever he has to to benefit himself. He was laughed at several times when he refused to own up to his flip flop. Did that lower your view of him? 

Edited yesterday at 02:18 AM by Joshe

[Breathe]

15 minutes ago, Myagooshki said:

Are you guys entirely sure that he doesn't have any valid points regarding chronic disease and banning certain ingredients in food that you see them doing in other countries?

He has some valid points. But do you think the government is actually going to regulate companies and industries that lobby the government? Cigarettes? Sugar? McDonald’s?

They’re not going to do shit inless it pleases the shareholders. This is an oligarchy. 
 

it’s all for show

Edited yesterday at 02:22 AM by Breathe

[Myagooshki]

@Joshe I think that I would have done the same on the issue if I was going to somehow have an effect in the world of health policy if I was trying to make a change. It's very much a part of politics. Plus, from what I remember, he hasn't flopped from pro choice to pro life, he is being somewhat ambiguous as to not be taken out of context later, which is also a part of politics. If he's trying to make a change, it would be part of a grander scheme of what he's trying to do in Washington. And he hasn't flipped when Sanders was interviewing him about climate change, RFK said he disagreed with president trump. So I'm not sure about the idea of "flipping when the tides change because you're grifting" to be a very solid argument against RFK.

[Myagooshki]

@Breathe yes, the government passes bills that lobbyists don't like all of the time. 

[cistanche_enjoyer]

Guys, overall, whatever healthcare has been doing lately doesn’t work. More chronic diseases, toxins in our food and environment, a healthcare system that is focused on selling cures and keeping patients hooked on drugs.

Kennedy promises to solve this. Will he keep his word? Who knows. Will he make personal gains in the process? Probably.

But what is the alternative? Just keeping on doing what clearly doesn’t work? I don’t want my future kids to live in a world where they have 40%+ chance of being chronically sick.

[Joshe]

@Myagooshki I only have my reads to go on and from what I’ve seen regarding his pseudoscientific medical claims, his switching parties, him suing NC to take his name off the ballot and suing blue states to keep his name on them, his cuckoldry to Trump, family reports that he’s a predator, his enjoyment of killing animals, his elitism, and the little history I’ve heard, I’m fairly certain this isn’t a character a wise person would put much stock in, if any. To assume his motive is to MAHA and that he has the know-how to accomplish that seems naive based on the available data and the overall vibe.

It would be a nice reality where America was about to enter into a phase where the leaders were going to start prioritizing health and getting rid of all the toxic stuff that makes us sick, which is why many people cling to hope regarding RFK. 

Edited yesterday at 03:00 AM by Joshe

[Leo Gura]

24 minutes ago, Myagooshki said:

I have given reasons as to why I am less suspicious of RFK and I am yet to be countered on this.

I am not interested in countering your view.

If you want to understand RFK, you are free to study his long history of false, deceptive, and irresponsible statements, abuses, and corruptions.

Edited yesterday at 02:39 AM by Leo Gura

[Leo Gura]

20 minutes ago, cistanche_enjoyer said:

Guys, overall, whatever healthcare has been doing lately doesn’t work. More chronic diseases, toxins in our food and environment, a healthcare system that is focused on selling cures and keeping patients hooked on drugs.

Kennedy promises to solve this.

This mischaracterizes the issue.

Chronic disease is mostly a function of the irresponsible ways in which people eat and maintain their personal health. It is not the job of the healthcare system to feed you properly. The healthcare system is the way it is because people do not care about their health, abuse their bodies, and only turn to healthcare when their body fails them. The healthcare system is designed to treat decades of self-abuse, which requires drugs. RFK will do nothing to solve this matter.

Yes, toxins are a problem and they could be improved. The Biden admin was making some progress on that. For example, Red Dye was recently banned. Could RFK help eliminate some toxins? Sure. But he could also kill 3 million people in the next pandemic. You gotta do that calculus.

Edited yesterday at 02:46 AM by Leo Gura

[Myagooshki]

@Leo Gura if you're trying to tell me about "The Real Anthony Fauci", I haven't read that book, I do have it, somebody gave it to me, but I'm talking about what is currently going on. The attacks from Warren and Sanders were un-nuanced, much like the attacks from Rand Paul to Biden's HHS director were un-nuanced.

[Gennadiy1981]

No offense to you all, but you are all blind with ignorance. I actually personally know RFK Jr. and I was helping his campaign FYI. He is a very sincere person as I know him not through what the Pharma says but from personal interaction. And its really disguising to see how you are all laughing just by listening to the media. This man sacrificed a lot to help injure children and he only got elected to help people. 

Honestly you all claim you are enlightened, but you are sitting in the dark.

We are pushing very hard to get him nominated and then watch, the facts will come out and you all will be apologizing for mislabeling a very sincere individual. You all lost yourself in these world of conspiracies. Shame on all of you.

And by the way, Ahem, guess what we will also do, we will work on making psychedelics legal so you all be thanking us later.

Edited yesterday at 03:16 AM by Gennadiy1981