Any Value In Reading The Bible?

[Ryan M]

Is there any value in reading the bible? I'm a big fan of Owen Cook and I know Leo thinks pretty highly of his work but I imagine them having totally different stances when it comes to something like reading the bible lol. It's actually pretty surprising to me that this is basically Owen's #1 book to read besides maybe The Power Of Now. Does the bible have some valuable wisdom in it or is it just full of dogma? 
 

Edit: He specifically mentions The Sermon On The Mount and The 4 Gospels (just in case that’s separate in any way lol)

Edited yesterday at 05:16 AM by Ryan M

[Someone here]

The old testament is just a local biography of the jew.  Also its filled with violence and myths . Nothing much to reap .

Read the New testament. Especially the four gospels. Jesus's words are pure nuggets of gold and diamonds. 

[TheAlchemist]

This must be part of his conservative manosphere era, never heard him endorse it in earlier videos. The bible is a collection of 60+ books. Some are valuable in some contexts.

I think the most powerful idea from the bible is the convergence of the infinite and finite, the transcendent and the material through the figure of Jesus. That is quite a unique and powerful story when seen through a non-fundamentalist lens. The book of Job is also quite a nice allegory about suffering and critique of God and authority.

It could also be read through a fundamentalist lens to better understand an evangelical Christian mind. That could be quite valuable to understand, since it is a group that is increasing significantly in power and influence. Also, it could be a great study of how powerful ideology can be, how the different pieces of the bible are fitted together to form a robust worldview that resists critical and abstract thinking.

[Whitney Edwards]

The most powerful thing I derived from the Bible is the sermon on the mount. "Blessed are those who are merciful." There's an unmatched artistic and philosophical beauty to it. 

 

[Salvijus]

There are as many opinions as there are people. Rely more on your own judgement, or better yet, on your heart. 

[Terell Kirby]

8 hours ago, Ryan M said:

Is there any value in reading the bible? 

Even more value in becoming conscious of how the Bible is imaginary.

[Inliytened1]

8 hours ago, Ryan M said:

Is there any value in reading the bible? I'm a big fan of Owen Cook and I know Leo thinks pretty highly of his work but I imagine them having totally different stances when it comes to something like reading the bible lol. It's actually pretty surprising to me that this is basically Owen's #1 book to read besides maybe The Power Of Now. Does the bible have some valuable wisdom in it or is it just full of dogma? 

After awakening that's all I wanted to do.  You realize God and Spirit are real.  There is a spiritual phenomenon about the Bible - that makes it Divine in a sense..But one must be careful to realize that the Bible is the writings of humans not God.  It may have been that Jesus was enlightened and then stories about him came down.  But there is still something holy about it no doubt.   Just don't commit to the beliefs of religion.   Religion did however get one thing right in that God exists its just everything after that which becomes distorted.  

Edited Tuesday at 07:55 PM by Inliytened1

[Princess Arabia]

As much value as you give it. Life doesn't care about value; it just is, and doesn't need value from anything. It's the human identity that seeks for value. So you make the call. Read along or don't, the body still breathes. I might find value in having values, but I'm also aware that it's all made up and constructed. All normal and a part of life. Nothing to cling to or suffer about. Those values are meaningless, empty and means nothing but only to the story teller and it's made-up life. Not a very popular message but yet liberating but not for the one that's deeply neurotic and arrogant and narcissistic into seeing itself as the center of the Universe and that it actually is important and has a real purpose. 

[Whitney Edwards]

1 minute ago, Princess Arabia said:

As much value as you give it. Life doesn't care about value; it just is, and doesn't need value from anything. It's the human identity that seeks for value. So you make the call. Read along or don't, the body still breathes. I might find value in having values, but I'm also aware that it's all made up and constructed. All normal and a part of life. Nothing to cling to or suffer about. Those values are meaningless, empty and means nothing but only to the story teller and it's made-up life. Not a very popular message but yet liberating but not for the one that's deeply neurotic and arrogant and narcissistic into seeing itself as the center of the Universe and that it actually is important and has a real purpose. 

What do you cling to in life? 

[Princess Arabia]

Just now, Whitney Edwards said:

What do you cling to in life? 

Cling to can mean different things to different people. I'm guessing you're asking because of the way I speak. I don't look at life as something to cling to. Things come and things go. I've had so many of those kinds of changes that I've learnt to not cling to anything too material. I'm not nihilistic nor am I just nonchalant about life. Life is glorious. Too glorious and magnificent and magical for me to try and claim to be mine. It's life lifing and I'm here witnessing it all, apparently and until I'm not. Idk what comes after but for now it's a show but not a show to be claimed or owned. Life is unconditional and doesn't need my petty conditions for it to be whatever it wants. I've recognized it's temporary and fleeting so why cling.

[RendHeaven]

I find the book of Job to be special. Sermon on the mount is valuable too. Just be mindful of your own mental constructs.

[LifeEnjoyer]

The Borborite texts are great too (Jesus eats his own cum), which were cut from the Bible.

[Whitney Edwards]

49 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

Cling to can mean different things to different people. I'm guessing you're asking because of the way I speak. I don't look at life as something to cling to. Things come and things go. I've had so many of those kinds of changes that I've learnt to not cling to anything too material. I'm not nihilistic nor am I just nonchalant about life. Life is glorious. Too glorious and magnificent and magical for me to try and claim to be mine. It's life lifing and I'm here witnessing it all, apparently and until I'm not. Idk what comes after but for now it's a show but not a show to be claimed or owned. Life is unconditional and doesn't need my petty conditions for it to be whatever it wants. I've recognized it's temporary and fleeting so why cling.

That's beautiful. Wish I could be that carefree. But I'm way too clingy. I think about every little thing, every doubt, every ambition, every silly goal. The stage Orange in me does not let me rest. 

[Princess Arabia]

2 minutes ago, Whitney Edwards said:

The stage Orange in me does not let me rest. 

I've let go of all that too. The more labels one puts on themselves, the more attached one tends to become and needing to live up to that label - subconsciously. E.g. Smoker, drinker, etc, One tends to live up to those and find it hard to let go of because of the identity associated with that label. It's like the killing of oneself (identity) and nothing really wants to die. So the stage orange in you doesn't let you rest because it has no where to go but to be a stage orange in you because without you there's no stage orange.

[Aaron p]

If your going down that direction adopt a minimalist approach, and be aware that the truth it illuminates is extremely disjointed and unnecessarily convoluted. But I would say there is for little egos like us. We sometimes like a "jesus" tit to suckle on for comfort. Nothing wrong with that, it's very comforting. I use words like lord when I talk to "him"

[Aaron p]

Take it All with a massive pinch of salt but there is some cool stuff there. It's for sure inspired to a degree...I mean it's just a poor attempt compared to Leo's gangster approach. Leo is more accurate than jesus

 

Some decent Christian teachers that lean towards mysticism are Andrew wommack, mark Driscoll and John MacArthur. But there very limited and restrictive. 

Edited yesterday at 11:49 AM by Aaron p

[RightHand]

17 minutes ago, Aaron p said:

I mean it's just a poor attempt compared to Leo's gangster approach. Leo is more accurate than jesus

Haha 

 

Jesus's reaction to this video :  ""

 

 

 

 

[Aaron p]

I wonder if Jesus ever masturbated. Probably

[RightHand]

On 1/28/2025 at 0:28 PM, Ryan M said:

It's actually pretty surprising to me that this is basically Owen's #1 book to read besides maybe The Power Of Now. Does the bible have some valuable wisdom in it or is it just full of dogma? 
 

I find it very surprising too. My theory is that he uses the bible because it's the easiest way to lure people into spirituality and God. 

But I'm not sure if it's the right approach. To me, this will just lead to beliefs and dogma. 

But perhaps I'm being too charitable with Owen, his stance on psychedelics does make think that he's stuck in ideology too.

[RightHand]

55 minutes ago, Aaron p said:

I wonder if Jesus ever masturbated. Probably

Jesus -> jeez -> jiz 

Use your brain, bruh