Leo, can you share your daily routine with us?

[freddyteisen]

@RendHeaven Very well put together answer. I deeply appreciate your critical feedback.

Health, Nutrition & Wellbeing is a subject matter I’m deeply passionate about, and I have experienced myself as well as seen others benefit from implementing most of the nutritional & lifestyle changes I share here.

But I always value nuance & not black-and-white thinking. Hence why I don’t identify with any ‘diet’, but rather go by principles and your ancestral roots (Wether you’re Asian, South American, American, Indian, European, Scandinavian, African etc) you have different nutritional needs.

For instance; me being a Dane I need more Fish, because we have less sun here, so I eat lot of codliver & Zinzino fish oil. I always try tailoring my approach, but some principles seem to universally apply.

thank you🙏🏼

[Something Funny]

17 minutes ago, RendHeaven said:

This is a totally insincere strawman.

 

No, it totally proves the point, which is that he has no idea of the long term effects of his diet and is talking out of his ass. 

19 minutes ago, RendHeaven said:

Your tone overall is sarcastic and hostile. If I recall, you identify vegan, yes?

Try to see if you're able to psychologically, intellectually, and emotionally hold space for the fact that many people genuinely improve their health after emphasizing meat consumption. I know it feels better to ignore or deny this reality and to assume that meat eaters are stupid devils. But if you tread that path uncritically, you will have handicapped sensemaking and you will be at war with yourself & others which is not a fun place to be.

Nice gaslighting, lol. Show me where I am calling anyone a devil. Please find a single comment, out of my 3000 posts where I am trying to force veganism onto anyone or criticize them for eating meat

I am not even fully vegan myself.

Leo is on a carnivore diet, do I criticize him for it or try to change his mind and convert him to veganism? 

Do I write stupid comments, nagging him to drop evil meat and drink more smoothies?

5 hours ago, freddyteisen said:

Hippie stuff: eating green smoothies, vegetables, tofu & lentils because we’re told “Sugar, Fat, Salt & red Meat is Bad”,

Real, true health (not for hippies): 

Do you see me writing a vegan version of this to anyone? 

25 minutes ago, RendHeaven said:

Your tone overall is sarcastic and hostile.

Yes, cause he doesn't even know that Leo is already eating mostly meat based diet, he seems to have zero knowledge of Leo's situation in general, but feels qualified to give his unsolicited advise, even after being told "no, thank you" multiple times.

[RendHeaven]

1 minute ago, Something Funny said:

No, it totally proves the point, which is that he has no idea of the long term effects of his diet and is talking out of his ass. 

All perspectives have truths and blindspots.

You are over inflating his blindspots and dismissing his truths, and then acting snarky about it.

3 minutes ago, Something Funny said:

Nice gaslighting, lol. Show me where I am calling anyone a devil. Please find a single comment, out of my 3000 posts where I am trying to force veganism onto anyone or criticize them for eating meat

I am not even fully vegan myself.

Leo is on a carnivore diet, do I criticize him for it or try to change his mind and convert him to veganism? 

Do I write stupid comments, nagging him to drop evil meat and drink more smoothies?

I am calling out your attitude, not any specific thing you said. Notice your defensiveness.

4 minutes ago, Something Funny said:

Yes, cause he doesn't even know that Leo is already eating mostly meat based diet, he seems to have zero knowledge of Leo's situation in general, but feels qualified to give his unsolicited advise, even after being told "no, thank you" multiple times.

You have a fair point.

Good thing he's already owned up to it at the top of this page.

[Something Funny]

4 minutes ago, RendHeaven said:

All perspectives have truths and blindspots.

You are over inflating his blindspots and dismissing his truths, and then acting snarky about it.

You are so disingenuous with your fake spiritual attitude.

I've quoted his specific point and said that it's wrong. So your argument about truths and blindspots does not fit the situation. But who cares about that as long as you can act like you have some spiritual high ground, right?

8 minutes ago, RendHeaven said:

I am calling out your attitude, not any specific thing you said.

Exactly, cause I am right and all your arguments have zero substance behind them, so you need to backtrack and "call me out on my attitude".

If you want to be so spiritual, why don't you start by focusing on yourself and accepting my "attitude", instead of preaching to other people? Oh, right - preaching is cooler and easier.

13 minutes ago, RendHeaven said:

Good thing he's already owned up to it at the top of this page.

No, as a matter of fact, he did not.

[Leo Gura]

47 minutes ago, Past-Philosopher-562 said:

I am actually intrested in your insights on this . Please share , some thoughts on this , Just something to make think more about it . How is it all a fantasy ?

It is impossible to know what the right diet is for someone other than yourself. And even for yourself it will be tricky.

None of these diet gurus know what they are dealing with. They are selling fantasies to earn money and spreading group-think.

Figure out what works for you. That's the bottom line.

Edited Tuesday at 01:26 PM by Leo Gura

[RendHeaven]

7 minutes ago, Something Funny said:

Exactly, cause I am right

Ah.

Guess we're done here.

[LambdaDelta]

You guys should know better than to engage in debates anyway, truth is never found there. Not when 95% of it is trying to assert one's existing position both to the other party and to oneself.

[Past-Philosopher-562]

@Leo Gura Thank you . Good thought

[Michael569]

Moving to health section as it seems this has taken turn towards nutrition debate 

[freddyteisen]

@Leo Gura Yes, but most people resort to The Standard American Diet or The College Diet or whatever their parents ate or whatever their friends eat. Or they go into extremes like raw vegan, vegan or pure carnivore.

’Figuring out what works for you’ might completely blindsight someone. That’s the same as saying, oh don’t listen to any ‘guru’ who talks about Psychology, Meditation, Bias, Deception, Actualization or Spirituality, because you should rather just ‘figure it out yourself’.

Well, what if that ‘guru’ has spent thousands of hours on books, podcasts, courses, health-masterminds, and self experimentation, as well as helping hundreds of other people get rid of diseases and gutissues, skin issues or hair issues—then maybe some of the things he says might be true.

Health is complicated.
So it helps getting some advice, and who knows, maybe some of the advice like Whole, Organic Foods (Meat, Organs, Wild fish, Quality Carbs, Raw Milk, Butter & some veggies), Grounding, Movement, Sunlight and Loving yourself, might help.

Not saying to follow or trust anyone blindly, but take inspiration from advice that might help, and apply it to your own situation.

[undeather]

Every few months, a fresh wave of eager, young health enthusiasts floods this forum, passionately determined to "save" the beleaguered bald man from his declining health. Their intentions, for the most part, seem well-meaning (or at least, they appear to come from a place of genuine care). Occasionally, they offer a nugget of valuable insight or a moment of clear, practical thinking amidst the flood of advice. However, much of it tends to echo regurgitated soundbites from their favorite health influencers, more style than substance.

What stands out most, though, is the almost childlike naivety they bring to the table—a certain lack of nuance and perspective that often stems from having little to no real-world experience working with truly unwell individuals over extended periods. Their zeal is undeniable, but it often reveals a disconnect from the complex realities of chronic illness and long-term care. It’s a reminder that good intentions, while admirable, rarely compensate for wisdom earned through experience.

Not trying to point any fingers here - it has just been the reocurring pattern for the last 10 years or so 

Edited Tuesday at 05:41 PM by undeather

[Peo]

4 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Figure out what works for you. That's the bottom line.

I agree with that statment, i take almost every advice Leo and other people gives with a grain of salt. First i test it out and then i judge if the advice works for me or not. 

[Majed]

@Leo Gura Is it possible that i got ocd and adhd from my vegan diet, since they happened in the same timeframe ? Or is it unrelated ?

[freddyteisen]

@Peo Very good approach. I do that myself aswell. Not Idolizing or putting blind faith to any authority, not Leo, not ‘health influencers’, scientists, experts, billionaires, mystics or gurus.

Some people/‘experts’ do have more meta awareness, experience, holistic, big picture thinking, love and wisdom than others though.

[Schizophonia]

24 minutes ago, undeather said:

Every few months, a fresh wave of eager, young health enthusiasts floods this forum, passionately determined to "save" the beleaguered bald man from his declining health. Their intentions, for the most part, seem well-meaning (or at least, they appear to come from a place of genuine care). Occasionally, they offer a nugget of valuable insight or a moment of clear, practical thinking amidst the flood of advice. However, much of it tends to echo regurgitated soundbites from their favorite health influencers, more style than substance.

What stands out most, though, is the almost childlike naivety they bring to the table—a certain lack of nuance and perspective that often stems from having little to no real-world experience working with truly unwell individuals over extended periods. Their zeal is undeniable, but it often reveals a disconnect from the complex realities of chronic illness and long-term care. It’s a reminder that good intentions, while admirable, rarely compensate for wisdom earned through experience.

Not trying to point any fingers here - it has just been the reocurring pattern for the last 10 years or so 

Leo Gura is capable of going to see a marabout but brushes it aside when he is suggested to go see Joe Dispenza, who has tones of results and tends to be on the same "spiritual" line as Leo.
 

You want to play the mature guy who accepts the reality of life blah blah blah and well you will manifest the proof of it.

[Schizophonia]

Leo is also opposed to seminal retention m, while it is gold for people who lack energy and motivation.

[integral]

Ok guys stop picking on the new kid 😂

We’re all opinionated lunatics half the time. 

[Michael569]

34 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

Leo Gura is capable of going to see a marabout but brushes it aside when he is suggested to go see Joe Dispenza, who has tones of results and tends to be on the same "spiritual" line as Leo.

The problem is that he has probably done all of this already which is why he is steadfast ignoring all new advice. I don't know which video it was but he was explaining the amount of weird ass shit he tried and made no difference. I honestly doubt nutrition is the fix to Leo at this point and I'm saying that as someone who has vested interest in wanting nutrition to be fix to people's problems. 

Like @undeather we've seen it over and over. The amount of keto, carnivore, vegan and raw foodies we've had opening these sorts of threads since 2016 when I first joined is quite overwhelming. You name it, its been around suggested to Leo. Everything from coffee enemas to eating dirt to (pick your food) juices, cleanses and detoxes. All been and gone. Maybe we should just drop trying to cure Leo. I love the man, he changed my life but I wouldn't push anymor of my agenda on him. 

Edited Tuesday at 07:21 PM by Michael569

[Schizophonia]

7 minutes ago, Michael569 said:

The problem is that he has probably done all of this already which is why he is steadfast ignoring all new advice. I don't know which video it was but he was explaining the amount of weird ass shit he tried and made no difference. I honestly doubt nutrition is the fix to Leo at this point and I'm saying that as someone who has vested interest in wanting nutrition to be fix to people's problems. 

Like @undeather we've seen it over and over. The amount of keto, carnivore, vegan and raw foodies we've had opening these sorts of threads since 2016 when this forum was setup is quite overwhelming. You name it, its been around suggested to Leo. Everything from coffee enemas to eating dirt to (pick your food) juices, cleanses and detoxes. All been and gone. Maybe we should just drop trying to cure Leo. I love the man, he changed my life but I wouldn't push anymor of my agenda on him. 

I talk to myself through Leo. 👀

It doesn't matter what he tried, the most important thing is the concept of self, that's where it all starts in the paradigm I’m currently in.

Your right about nutrition probably don’t will be the cure. 

Edited Tuesday at 07:20 PM by Schizophonia

[Something Funny]

@freddyteisen what exactly do you refer to when you say "grounding" and how do you think it works?