What are the limits of contemplation for understanding reality?

[Never_give_up]

How much can contemplation make you realise what reality is?

In which subjects should someone use contemplation and in which subjects should someone use other methods and what are these other methods?

 

Personaly I believe the formula for a good life is : 1)contemplation(for hours) 2)action (taking feedback for that action) 3) repeat

Bonus question: Why contemplation has limits?

[Aaron p]

Contemplation:

 

 

5-MeO-DMT: 

[Aaron p]

Contemplation:

 

5-MeO-DMT:

 

[Hojo]

Contemplation is dancing around the self. It cant show you what God is but you can use it to deconstruct the barrier between you and God. Once you see it you will lose the ability to contemplate.

Contemplation has limits because its made up, like any other concept. Its like baseball you just sit there any play with your mind and every once and awhile you will hit a home run you didnt know you were aiming for. God is like the grand slam of all grand slams. Its like hitting a ball and the entirety of humanity comes to tell you they love you and you did something that no one knew was possible.You dont actually have to do anything to contemplate you just sit there and the mind will unravel itself.

The reason a Guru or anyone hasnt been able to tell you what God is is because they literally cannot do it. Contemplation on what the guru said will do it. That means listening and sitting there and keep subtly bringing up what the person said. It takes 0 effort except for you guiding the contemplation. If you are actively thinking or telling your mind whats true if it says something crazy or absurd you are not doing it right.

edit;

On second thought I am realizing that nothing has limits even contemplation.

Contemplation limits are its destruction, and that leads to God so contemplation is infinite. So the limits of contemplation are the realization of God.

Edited Monday at 09:54 PM by Hojo

[Sugarcoat]

Firstly it can be useless if its detached from any direct experience, then it becomes like mental masturbation, lacking substance and not moving anything in your experience.

Secondly, and this is a bit metaphysical, but you could say your ego has many levels/layers to it, and its composed of your own mind, so each level is a level of your mind, which will be a certain paradigm. Your current paradigm is the level/layer of your mid that you are operating from. So if you do contemplation but are doing it within your current paradigm you won't breakthrough, you wanna breakthrough to deeper levels of your mind and for that you need to go outside your current paradigm I think.

[Breakingthewall]

2 hours ago, Aaron p said:

Contemplation:

 

5-MeO-DMT:

 

5meo makes you understand things like contemplation? For me 5meo is just dissolving the barriers, being without limit, but never understanding anything, it's like freedom and sometimes alive depth, the absolute light, another times absolute darkness, absolute void. Long time without doing 5meo, now I'm scared of it again , it's violent for the mind 

Edited Monday at 10:48 PM by Breakingthewall

[Infinite Tsukuyomi]

4 hours ago, Never_give_up said:

How much can contemplation make you realise what reality is?

In which subjects should someone use contemplation and in which subjects should someone use other methods and what are these other methods?

 

Personally I believe the formula for a good life is : 1)contemplation(for hours) 2)action (taking feedback for that action) 3) repeat

Bonus question: Why contemplation has limits?

Well, since contemplation is something we picked out of reality as something that exists, it too must collapse at the end. My answer to your question is <%100. Contemplation can help you realize an unknown percentage of reality, but what is known is that it too will collapse when you completely realize. 

[Someone here]

@Aaron p contemplating >psychedelics. 

You can trip for 200000 times ..but if you don't contemplate what you’ve experienced then what good is your tripping balls ?

[kavaris]

Contemplation in some sense doesnt even begin until youve cracked that nut, that your own brain is stuck on back in the LSD or magic mushroom experience (i cant speak to what is being experienced on DMT) So for that reason, alot of people dont find there to be any reason to contemplate.

But a special few people do see that as an important invitation, beyond it being real weird, and that is who continues to contemplate (or are doing so on a progressive level—though this also crosses into a how creative are they territory, in regards to how progressive and what it means to progress) Alas, it sometimes means going through trauma to realize that it was the most important thing to carry on with thinking about, and not quite just remaining as the same calm or spiritual person, as we are speaking to an abrasive feeling—a noticeable change, stage/spectrum that, with more certainty & determination, t'which will be redirecting you (through a feedback mechanism between the parts of you who have a better vantage point) but another part of it is the guide, who makes sense of all of it and knows by which priority/vantage points should be the loudest, and which are dyadic chords that dont quite paint the full major/minor chord yet. So theres a strong element of programming that you have to do within all of that, else its not bound by any Earthly—down to ᴙþ foundation.

Edited Tuesday at 12:28 AM by kavaris

[James123]

5 hours ago, Never_give_up said:

How much can contemplation make you realise what reality is?

In which subjects should someone use contemplation and in which subjects should someone use other methods and what are these other methods?

 

Personaly I believe the formula for a good life is : 1)contemplation(for hours) 2)action (taking feedback for that action) 3) repeat

Bonus question: Why contemplation has limits?

Not contemplation, The Key is Letting Go. Anything and everything you have, let go. 

[Leo Gura]

Contemplation applies to all domains, all activities. But it must not be used to avoid experience or getting hands-on with things.

Whatever limits contemplation may have ought to be contemplated to be understood.

Good contemplation requires experience as grist for the mill.

Edited Tuesday at 12:54 AM by Leo Gura

[r0ckyreed]

23 minutes ago, Someone here said:

@Aaron p contemplating >psychedelics. 

You can trip for 200000 times ..but if you don't contemplate what you’ve experienced then what good is your tripping balls ?

Amen. Beat me to it.

[Aaron p]

3 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

5meo makes you understand things like contemplation? For me 5meo is just dissolving the barriers, being without limit, but never understanding anything, it's like freedom and sometimes alive depth, the absolute light, another times absolute darkness, absolute void. Long time without doing 5meo, now I'm scared of it again , it's violent for the mind 

Combine it with MDMA carefully to remove all fear. Pm me if you want all my research on the combination and it's safety

[Whitney Edwards]

Contemplation is just limitless.. A lot of it is initially needed to create a compass or a framework for your potential goals. It's a road map. Eventually you combine it with real experience and some real work and that's how you make progress. 

 

[integral]

In chess, you often have to visualize and see any move into the future, we could compare this to contemplation.

The thing that you realize is that it’s hard to keep a large history and many variables in memory at the same time. When things get too complicated it’s easy to loss track of things.

If you need six insights to come to the right conclusion and you only have five, then you’re gonna be wrong.

And on top of that, there’s a bunch of variables that are unknown.

So contemplation is happening in a fog while you try to use a flashlight to light up part of the scene, but you’re never gonna see the full scene. Psychedelics is like a grenade of light, ripping through the fog.

Edited Tuesday at 03:28 AM by integral

[Inliytened1]

On 1/27/2025 at 1:24 PM, Never_give_up said:

How much can contemplation make you realise what reality is?

In which subjects should someone use contemplation and in which subjects should someone use other methods and what are these other methods?

 

Personaly I believe the formula for a good life is : 1)contemplation(for hours) 2)action (taking feedback for that action) 3) repeat

Bonus question: Why contemplation has limits?

Use direct experience.   .meditation or psychedelics.   Use this site as a framework

 

[kavaris]

"How to think bout reality", if its: A) Gonna be,
A neverending exp, reality,
In some ways it remains half unknown,
Some half tilt dream to which we do not know,
And B) its not actually real?.. Or what that entails,
Seeing as, call it New Reality tells a very different tale...
Thats a line of questioning, you then might take,
A possible point of re apprising that role of advocate,
And tryina to get it, to where, you are the younger you,
From a new perspective of old and young inter fused.
Sorting out the undulating rhythms inside,
Its becoming of a direction—of "once you decide".

Edited yesterday at 08:33 AM by kavaris