How to make her obsessed

[AION]

 

Most solid advice if you are into fast and short term results. This kind of advice RSD would give when they were unhinged. 

[RendHeaven]

YBC is my buddy from an old online community imagine my shock when he blew up one day, pretty damn inspiring

[something_else]

He's essentially recommending that you become extremely emotionally manipulative, lol.

[AION]

2 minutes ago, something_else said:

He's essentially recommending that you become extremely emotionally manipulative, lol.

I wouldn't call it manipulation. I would call it selling (yourself). It is so apparent you never had a sales job. You would be starving. 🤣

[RendHeaven]

3 minutes ago, something_else said:

He's essentially recommending that you become extremely emotionally manipulative, lol.

The men who are most successful at attracting women are highly manipulative. This shouldn't come as a surprise.

You wouldn't want to become these people though. It's best to cherry-pick useful lessons from them and discard the rest.

[AION]

We are all manipulating. The thing is are we doing it in ethical way or not? If you are applying for a job and you are negotiating the price, you are using manipulation to get the best deal.

As long as are fair it is fair game.

In dating it is no different, you are trying to get the best deal. If you are not trying to get the best deal, that is ok. You do you.

[AION]

The thing is if you have a lot of personal power, charisma, and skill. You don't need to manipulate. People get manipulated just by your presence. For example if you are a very good fighter, people can sense that from you, and you don't need to show off your power, just by your mere presence, you manipulate your environment and they treat you different. Unfortunately people are stuck with words like manipulation and they are just totally clueless about power and influence.

[something_else]

20 minutes ago, AION said:

I wouldn't call it manipulation. I would call it selling (yourself). It is so apparent you never had a sales job. You would be starving. 🤣

I'd rather spend time making a great product instead of learning to manipulate people into buying a shitty product. That's always worked for me in dating contexts.

17 minutes ago, RendHeaven said:

The men who are most successful at attracting women are highly manipulative. This shouldn't come as a surprise.

You wouldn't want to become these people though. It's best to cherry-pick useful lessons from them and discard the rest.

Yea, exactly. Study these people from a distance, but don't try to become them. You can learn to be very interesting and emotionally stimulating person without resorting to outright manipulation.

Edited Monday at 11:52 AM by something_else

[Cireeric]

This stuff is maybe effective in a narrow, short-term sense, but destructive for the long-term possibility of healthy relationships between men and women in general, since it creates unhealthy relationship-patterns, attachment-styles and trust-issues to even trauma on both sides and I dont think we need more advice of this type. 

[something_else]

Another quick point. 

Men feel like these manipulation tactics are necessary because they don't think they are good enough to deserve a woman without tricking her. If they were good enough (or more specifically if they believed they were good enough) they wouldn't feel like they had to spend time learning how to trick women into liking them.

This^ is like the fundamental problem with the pickup style of thinking.

Edited Monday at 11:56 AM by something_else

[RendHeaven]

Just now, Cireeric said:

This stuff is maybe effective in a narrow, short-term sense, but destructive for the long-term possibility of healthy relationships between men and women in general, since it creates unhealthy relationship-patterns, attachment-styles and trust-issues to even trauma on both sides and I dont think we need more advice of this type. 

I mean, his audience is red pill lonely guys. I don't fault him serving his niche

[RendHeaven]

2 minutes ago, something_else said:

Men feel like these manipulation tactics are necessary because they don't think they are good enough to deserve a woman without tricking her. If they were good enough (or more specifically if they believed they were good enough) they wouldn't feel like they had to spend time learning how to trick women into liking them.

The boys are starvin' out here man

[Cireeric]

Also a highly-developed guy is giving off the healthy version of these signals that "make women obsessed" : he isnt overly attached to her because he has purpose, values his own time and is independently fullfilled. He has healthy boundaries and he isnt overly appreciative in a nice-guy way but has his own values so he will give her good signals on the stuff he really appreciates and expresses criticism on the stuff he doesnt.

[AION]

8 minutes ago, Cireeric said:

This stuff is maybe effective in a narrow, short-term sense, but destructive for the long-term possibility of healthy relationships between men and women in general, since it creates unhealthy relationship-patterns, attachment-styles and trust-issues to even trauma on both sides and I dont think we need more advice of this type. 

One needs both short term and long term strategy .. can't always focus only on long term.. you need multiple tools in the drawer for every situation and time span

[RendHeaven]

@Cireeric Really impactful quote. Causing me to stop and think. Never heard of bukowski till now!

[Cireeric]

5 minutes ago, RendHeaven said:

I mean, his audience is red pill lonely guys. I don't fault him serving his niche

This content is not only serving the niche but also furthering the niche.

 

[Whitney Edwards]

These tactics look good in the book. 

In reality men are very soft to follow any of these. Men don't have many emotional outlets. Men operate on fear. They like a girl then they fall hard for her and fear losing her. Then they will do everything to win her. 

It's they who get obsessed with girls. A man's greatest fear is losing the girl he deeply admires. 

Men who inherently follow these tactics don't do it forcefully or purposefully,they are just naturally cold, aloof and psychopathic, charming and some women get obsessed with them. 

[RendHeaven]

1 minute ago, Buck Edwards said:

These tactics look good in the book. 

In reality men are very soft to follow any of these. Men don't have many emotional outlets. Men operate on fear. They like a girl then they fall hard for her and fear losing her. Then they will do everything to win her. 

It's they who get obsessed with girls. A man's greatest fear is losing the girl he deeply admires. 

Men who inherently follow these tactics don't do it forcefully or purposefully,they are just naturally cold, aloof and psychopathic, charming and some women get obsessed with them.

I think you're onto something.

Funny how that works.

[Cireeric]

2 minutes ago, RendHeaven said:

@Cireeric Really impactful quote. Causing me to stop and think. Never heard of bukowski till now!

Thanks! Yes, I watched this many times

 

[AION]

What I learned very Owen from his program is that logic and emotions are antithetical …

So the moment you start talking logic you kill the emotion/vibe and the other way around is true too; the moment you talk emotion you kill logic 

If you are all logical you aren’t getting any women if you are a regular guy. You have to step out of logic and you can call that emotional manipulation , negotiating a good relationship or selling yourself. It doesn’t matter. 

Manipulation = shutting the other’s logic off and playing with her emotions

Relationships, especially personal relationships are based on emotion. Not logic. So you can’t logic yourself into a relationship with a girl or logic yourself into her pants. 
 

There is a fine line between manipulation and negotiation 

 

Nothing wrong with negotiating a good relationship 

Edited Monday at 12:56 PM by AION