New Ralston Interview

[Breakingthewall]

3 hours ago, An young being said:

But most people are not contented with life, and hence at some point, they break inside because of suffering that is beyond their tolerance level and hence pursue spirituality to end it once and for all.

Usually you look for enlightenment because you see that life is a trap, nothing has meaning and death is just before you. In other words, because you see the things as they are without the astonishing capacity of the human mind for evasion 

[James123]

1 minute ago, Breakingthewall said:

Usually you look for enlightenment because you see that life is a trap, nothing has meaning and death is just before you.

As Buddha says Life is suffering.

[Breakingthewall]

1 hour ago, James123 said:

As Buddha says Life is suffering.

yes, the configuration of life involves suffering. It is impermanence that wishes to be permanent , and war for survival that promotes evolution.

Maybe there are non-living, non-gene-based conscious forms of existence, subtle dimensions where existence is not suffering but pure expansion, and life is a necessary step towards them.

 

[Inliytened1]

7 hours ago, An young being said:

Hmm

Sorry I agree spirituality is liberation.  I meant it's not worth suffering over stuff to begin with.  But I guess you wouldn't know this if you think the whole thing is real.

Edited Wednesday at 06:33 PM by Inliytened1

[James123]

6 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

Maybe there are non-living, non-gene-based conscious forms of existence, subtle dimensions where existence is not suffering but pure expansion, and life is a necessary step towards them.

This is us, attachment with thinking that makes us suffer.

[Inliytened1]

6 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

yes, the configuration of life involves suffering. It is impermanence that wishes to be permanent , and war for survival that promotes evolution.

Maybe there are non-living, non-gene-based conscious forms of existence, subtle dimensions where existence is not suffering but pure expansion, and life is a necessary step towards them.

 

Maybe it's whatever you imagine it to be.  The finite form will always suffer as it struggles to retain it's current form.  The infinite has no such issue.   However - the Infinite is attached to nothing.   That is the cost.

Edited Wednesday at 07:14 PM by Inliytened1

[Breakingthewall]

30 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

Maybe it's whatever you imagine it to be.  The finite form will always suffer as it struggles to retain it's current form

Do you think that a proton suffers?

[Breakingthewall]

34 minutes ago, James123 said:

This is us, attachment with thinking that makes us suffer.

A dog hasn't attachment to thinking, but if you torture it will suffer 

[Inliytened1]

3 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Do you think that a proton suffers?

A proton exists only in your imagination. I mean God putting itself into human form now- as you.  You will eventually suffer - maybe its growing old- but you will suffer.  Now - if you have awoken you know it's what i call false pain.  Its fake pain.  But you still have to endure it.  You're not going to throw yourself off a cliff or end it because you're too conscious.  But you are enduring pain which can be said to be a form of suffering. 

[Inliytened1]

5 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

A dog hasn't attachment to thinking, but if you torture it will suffer 

A dog can suffer from an ailment.   A dog can think its just limited compared to a human. 

Edited Wednesday at 07:50 PM by Inliytened1

[Breakingthewall]

3 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

A dog can suffer from an ailment.   

A dog can suffer in a lot of ways, like any living being. Life has a configuration that is trying to be permanent being impermanent and fight to the death with other living beings competing for survival. A proton (imagined by Jesus or whatever) or a star, or space time, does not fight for survival nor suffer when you torture it, but still it's and is absolute intelligent, same than a living being, but in a different configuration 

Edited Wednesday at 07:54 PM by Breakingthewall

[Inliytened1]

5 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

A dog can suffer in a lot of ways, like any living being. Life has a configuration that is trying to be permanent being impermanent and fight to the death with other living beings competing for survival. A proton (imagined by Jesus or whatever) or a star, or space time, does not fight for survival nor suffer when you torture it.

Does a rock suffer?  You're asking the question as to what are non-conscious beings here   within the dream - whether they have consciousness or not.  If they have consciousness they can suffer.  Well what's to say you are more conscious than a rock if consciousness doesn't come from the brain? That changes everything in a sense. 

Edited Wednesday at 08:00 PM by Inliytened1

[James123]

48 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

A dog hasn't attachment to thinking, but if you torture it will suffer 

@Inliytened1 there is no dog, you think that's a dog.Therefore, there is a dog. 

[Ishanga]

2 minutes ago, James123 said:

@Inliytened1 there is no dog, you think that's a dog.Therefore, there is a dog. 

There is no reply, since there is no You by which a reply can come forth from that is stating there is no Dog, stating that thinking that is a Dog creates the Dog that is not there...

utter Bullshit!!

no offence can happen since there is no reply, since no one is here to reply to or from, therefore no ego to offend..

perfect example of why this forum now should be shut down and closed to anything new..ppl losing their minds in philosophizing life and what it is about...

[James123]

Just now, Ishanga said:

There is no reply, since there is no You by which a reply can come forth from that is stating there is no Dog, stating that thinking that is a Dog creates the Dog that is not there...

utter Bullshit!!

no offence can happen since there is no reply, since no one is here to reply to or from, therefore no ego to offend..

perfect example of why this forum now should be shut down and closed to anything new..ppl losing their minds in philosophizing life and what it is about...

Whatever you and I say is illusion. We are just sharing ideas here. 

[Breakingthewall]

1 hour ago, Ishanga said:

perfect example of why this forum now should be shut down and closed to anything new..ppl losing their minds in philosophizing life and what it is about...

Well, not everyone. You could focus in the constructive and with sense and forget the nonsense 

[Inliytened1]

1 hour ago, James123 said:

@Inliytened1 there is no dog, you think that's a dog.Therefore, there is a dog. 

True sir 😀

[James123]

1 hour ago, Inliytened1 said:

True sir 😀

Definitely sir 😃 ☺️ 

[Aaron p]

Sounds like he has the theory down...I wonder if he would be included in the category Leo mentioned when he said about reaching experiences that made it apparent to him that the levels of consciousness he had gained access to were just undeniably superior to that of the teachers that he had as a seeker..

[Breakingthewall]

4 hours ago, Inliytened1 said:

If they have consciousness they can suffer

You could have conciousness and can't suffer, because suffering is just a vibration in this dimension, the dimension of life that evolves using the gene. Do you think that this is the only possible dimension of being in infinity? Obviously not, there are infinite others dimensions, and all are connected. Reality manifested is infinite, can't be finite, the possibilities go beyond the imagination. Infinitely beyond.

Edited yesterday at 12:07 AM by Breakingthewall