Which of these psychedelics is good for contemplation?

[integration journey]

4-AcO-DMT

4-HO-MET

5-MEO-MIPT

which one of these would you guys recommend for a good introspective contemplative trip? 

they are all different in some ways but I was wondering if anyone tried them and can tell the difference between them and which one would you recommend? 
Thank you 

 

 

[Clarence]

I've not tried 4-HO-MET yet, but between 4-AcO-DMT and 5-MeO-MiPT, I find 5-MeO-MiPT to be extremely introspective, and it is so loving, clear and centered that it is a great mindspace for contemplating. Yet, the trips are extremely profound and intense.

4-AcO-DMT is much more twisted and messy. I get a lot of insights on it, but it is not as good for grounded introspective contemplation. Insights and understandings come from all directions, but it takes effort to reflect on them. It can remain confusing too, especially until the peak has passed.

Those are just general ideas from my passed experiences. I didn't trip recently on them so I don't have the clearest memories. In my opinion, they're both amazing psychedelics and both worth using. So it wouldn't be a mistake to go for one over the other, but based on your question, I had extremely deep, contemplative trips on 5-MeO-MiPT, while it it not what struck me the most on 4-AcO-DMT.

Edited January 27 by Clarence

[RendHeaven]

@Clarence @Schizophonia I heard mipt can have aphrodisiac effects... thoughts?

[LambdaDelta]

4-AcO-DMT will take you for a ride largely outside of your control. 4-HO-MET is lighter, but still with decent headspace which you can direct; excessive visuals may be distracting, closed eyes are recommended, which's not ideal if you want to write things down. 5-MeO-MIPT does not work on me, based on people's experiences seems like a decent candidate. For uninhibited contemplation I tend to use dissociatives.

[LambdaDelta]

5 minutes ago, RightHand said:

I had a difficult trip where I felt like God forced me to keep my eyes open. Like

"Mother fucker, I'm communicating to you using your whole bubble of experience, LOOK AT YOUR ROOM"

I had this naive notion that ego death was just me surrendering to my body sensations. 

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Thoughts ?

 

That's a valuable experience too. Same structure as having to absorb all evils before breaking through to Love. Once I was also forced to look at myself in the mirror, and the more I refused the more weight piled up on me forcing me to my knees. By making you look around, God could be trying to make you see it all as your Being. I generally trip purely within headspace nowadays, it's more efficient than anything sensory, concepts arise directly in the mind. But just recently on a hard trip I reached out to my teacup, and through touch felt such a deep connection to it, pure Unity and Love, we're made of the same substance. That's a nice technique to practice even while sober. 

[James123]

@integration journey definitely, shrooms.

[Schizophonia]

4 hours ago, RendHeaven said:

@Clarence @Schizophonia I heard mipt can have aphrodisiac effects... thoughts?

Not particularly in my experience.It was mostly brutal.

[Clarence]

4 hours ago, RendHeaven said:

@Clarence @Schizophonia I heard mipt can have aphrodisiac effects... thoughts?

I've not experienced aphrodisiac effects on 5-MeO-MiPT.

I don't know if it can be qualified as aphrodisiac, but on 4-AcO-DMT, I've experienced intense waves of pure pleasure in my whole body. I can't describe how good that felt. But was it sexual, I'm not sure. It was more like intense physical pleasure without sexual thoughts or desire. I've experienced this on magic truffles as well.

[integration journey]

10 minutes ago, Clarence said:

I've not experienced aphrodisiac effects on 5-MeO-MiPT.

I don't know if it can be qualified as aphrodisiac, but on 4-AcO-DMT, I've experienced intense waves of pure pleasure in my whole body. I can't describe how good that felt. But was it sexual, I'm not sure. It was more like intense physical pleasure without sexual thoughts or desire. I've experienced this on magic truffles as well.

What’s the typical dose for 5-MeO-MIPT if you are plugging it? 

[Clarence]

2 hours ago, integration journey said:

What’s the typical dose for 5-MeO-MIPT if you are plugging it? 

I think the oral dosages listed on PsychonautWiki correspond well to the plugging method. I've plugged 15 mg, and it felt like it was right between a common and a strong trip—leaning more towards the latter. I can easily imagine 20 mg being a really strong trip.

10 mg would be a good starting dose.

Edited January 27 by Clarence