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[Leo Gura]

57 minutes ago, Ero said:

So would you agree that it is possible for systematic change to be achieved by a benevolent/ enlightened monarch, akin to Socrates’ “philosopher-king”?

Not in our system because a truly good man would just be eaten alive by the corrupt pigs who run Washington and the corporate business world.

America cannot have a benevolent monarch because it is a system where the top 1% of corrupt rich and famous elites rule together for their own enrichment at the expense of everyone else. We have a corporatocracy. No one man can fix it. He would just be demonized and booted from power by the top 1%. And the bottom 50% would hate him too because they do not have the capacity to understand goodness.

Edited yesterday at 04:35 AM by Leo Gura

[Whitney Edwards]

51 minutes ago, Ero said:

So would you agree that it is possible for systematic change to be achieved by a benevolent/ enlightened monarch, akin to Socrates’ “philosopher-king”?

This is possible if the democracy is much stronger than what we have now. By that I mean people gathering in large groups and protesting bad decisions to elect a fair monarch. But it seems the American people made a huge mistake in electing Trump. He is by no means a fair monarch and now it would be almost impossible to change his policies and orders. He might even go against the constitution. 

[Inliytened1]

3 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Not in our system because a truly good man would just be eaten alive by the corrupt pigs who run Washington and the corporate business world.

America cannot have a benevolent monarch because it is a system where the top 1% of corrupt rich and famous elites rule together for their own enrichment at the expense of everyone else. We have a corporatocracy. No one man can fix it.

I thought it was because America is a democracy.   There's a congress.  So I guess benevolent monarchs are out.

[Whitney Edwards]

Just now, Inliytened1 said:

I thought it was because America is a democracy.   There's a congress.  So I guess benevolent monarchs are out.

What's your definition of a benevolent monarch? Don't tell me Trump. 

[Inliytened1]

1 minute ago, Whitney Edwards said:

This is possible if the democracy is much stronger than what we have now. 

Huh? Did anyone teach you politics.

So if democracy got stronger there could be a monarch?

[Whitney Edwards]

Just now, Inliytened1 said:

Huh? Did anyone teach you politics.

So if democracy got stronger there could be a monarch?

I mean if people elect a monarch through majority, that might appear like monarchy, it is still a democracy because it's BY THE PEOPLE. It's how tribes used to survive in olden days in stage red society. It's not democracy by concept or definition, yet people are happy because they have someone leading them that is in harmony with their values. It's a stronger more stage red tribal form of democracy. You'll see this in ancient tribes. 

[Inliytened1]

2 minutes ago, Whitney Edwards said:

I mean if people elect a monarch through majority, that might appear like monarchy, it is still a democracy because it's BY THE PEOPLE. It's how tribes used to survive in olden days in stage red society. It's not democracy by concept or definition, yet people are happy because they have someone leading them that is in harmony with their values. It's a stronger more stage red tribal form of democracy. You'll see this in ancient tribes. 

I don't know what games Leo was playing but trust me you don't want any type of monarch, benevolent or no...unless you want to go back to the dark ages.

[Whitney Edwards]

Just now, Inliytened1 said:

I don't know what games Leo was playing but trust me you don't want any type of monarch, benevolent or no...unless you want to go back to the dark ages.

You think people in the dark ages lived much worse than us? What's the evidence? Just history books cherry picking gore aspects of the era like the guillotine. What makes you think people weren't happy? What makes you think people are happier today than ancient times? Look what we have done. We just have some kind tech billionaire technocracy and nobody gives a damn about the middle class. At least the middle class survived in the dark ages. You wouldn't be here if they had perished. 

[Inliytened1]

3 minutes ago, Whitney Edwards said:

You think people in the dark ages lived much worse than us? What's the evidence? Just history books cherry picking gore aspects of the era like the guillotine. What makes you think people weren't happy? What makes you think people are happier today than ancient times? Look what we have done. We just have some kind tech billionaire technocracy and nobody gives a damn about the middle class. At least the middle class survived in the dark ages. You wouldn't be here if they had perished. 

I get what you are saying

But remember why the colonies revolted against Britain in the Revolutionary war.  That was because of a monarch.  They wanted to have their own control.

 

Edited yesterday at 04:48 AM by Inliytened1

[Whitney Edwards]

3 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

I get what you are saying

But remember why the colonies revolted against Britain in the Revolutionary war.  That was because of a monarch 

 

A bad monarch. 

Edited yesterday at 04:50 AM by Inliytened1

[Inliytened1]

 

3 minutes ago, Whitney Edwards said:

A bad monarch. 

Who they couldn't vote out.  We have a vote here.  You voted Trump in.

 

 

Edited yesterday at 04:51 AM by Inliytened1

[Whitney Edwards]

Just now, Inliytened1 said:

Uh

Who they couldn't vote out.  We have a vote here.

Yes that's a valid point. But look who we voted in. This goes to show that democracy is not without folly. 

[Ero]

21 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

We have a corporatocracy. No one man can fix it. He would just be demonized and booted from power by the top 1%. And the bottom 50% would hate him too because they do not have the capacity to understand goodness.

Now change that to the type of oligarchy the Russians have. Demonization would be the tamest form of attack. Part of the reason I have been so blackpilled in the last 2 years. No single man can euthanise the cancerous formation, but unless one attempts to save the organism, it will die. If I have to leave goodness out of it, I will.

[Inliytened1]

2 minutes ago, Whitney Edwards said:

Yes that's a valid point. But look who we voted in. This goes to show that democracy is not without folly. 

Of course.  But I'd still take the latter.  A benevolent monarch that bestowed his love on you to me is a slap in the face.  Are we supposed to bend the knee and take his benevolence?  You could say we are doing that now with Trump but the people wanted that.  So you can't really argue with it.  

[Whitney Edwards]

3 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

Of course.  But I'd still take the latter.  A benevolent monarch that bestowed his love on you to me is a slap in the face.  Are we supposed to bend the knee and take his benevolence?  You could say we are doing that now with Trump but the people wanted that.  So you can't really argue with it.  

There will be a time in the distant future where democracy will be challenged. It won't be now. 

[Joshe]

35 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Not in our system because a truly good man would just be eaten alive by the corrupt pigs who run Washington and the corporate business world.

America cannot have a benevolent monarch because it is a system where the top 1% of corrupt rich and famous elites rule together for their own enrichment at the expense of everyone else. We have a corporatocracy. No one man can fix it. He would just be demonized and booted from power by the top 1%. And the bottom 50% would hate him too because they do not have the capacity to understand goodness.

Surely the people were less developed in ancient times and the law of the jungle reigned supreme, so how did benevolent leaders rise to power the few times it occurred throughout history? What conditions made it possible? Was it just luck and monarchy? 

[Inliytened1]

8 minutes ago, Whitney Edwards said:

There will be a time in the distant future where democracy will be challenged. It won't be now. 

Perhaps the galactic empire will prevail and Dark Lord Sidious will rule with a generous hand.

Edited yesterday at 05:07 AM by Inliytened1

[Inliytened1]

2 minutes ago, Joshe said:

Surely the people were less developed in ancient times and the law of the jungle reigned supreme, so how did benevolent leaders rise to power the few times it occurred throughout history? What conditions made it possible? Was it just luck and monarchy? 

Most of the times they took it by force.

[Whitney Edwards]

Just now, Inliytened1 said:

Perhaps the galactic empire will prevail and Dark Lord Sidious will rule with a generous hand.

It won't be that way. 

Democracy's evolution over time will give rise to something more intelligent and complex like meritocracy. 

But for that democracy has to survive this oligarchy. Or it could be that such oligarchy will fuel the middle classes to clash against the elite establishment and this could be a revolutionary extension to something much more complex and highly evolved in the future. We need highly intelligent non corrupt highly conscious minds to come together for that, someone that the public can place their trust into, which is sadly an outcome of chance. 

[Joshe]

I believe it’s possible for a truly benevolent and integrous person to rise to the top, but they would need great communication skills and strategy. They’d need to be well-funded and inspire people with vision. I think it’s possible, just not likely.