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Post Modernism Pt 2

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  On 1/29/2025 at 0:19 PM, gengar said:

Claiming the true existence of genetic superiority is absolutely a huge thing.

Have you seen the Olympics or Victoria’s Secret? Professional basketball or football? You don’t think genes play a roll? Ever seen. Mouse in the white house?

Whether we like it or not people are born with different gifts from their genes. Some are born with higher intelligence, better looks, more athletic ability, taller, etc. Now, genes isn’t the only factor in success. But, for specific survival strategies. 

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  On 1/29/2025 at 0:59 AM, Thought Art said:

is that it was a bit long

I don’t agree personally with this. I’ve never found an episode too long, and if something needs the time put into it to get the teaching across I’m all for that. There’s absolutely no reason anyone has to watch the episode in 1 sitting. Split it over 2 sittings over a couple of days if you do not have the time or have the attention span or whatever reason. To split it yourself is no different to when Leo makes a part 1/2/3 for a series. I see no issues with video length. And seems so many have moaned about a shortage of video releases over the last year or 2, then a longer one when released should make their day, split it yourself watch one half one week and the next half the following week and you’ve 2 videos for the price of one. Which may I remind the whiners is FREE

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@Dazgwny Yeah, but it being long and having needless repetition is the critique. I don’t mind a long episode. 


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  On 1/29/2025 at 0:05 PM, gengar said:

This is why I have more respect for true socialist types like the Black Panthers where women also have to fight the same way as men. They were true egalitarians and not some elitarian twisted "woke" shit like the libs. But they came with their own universe of bullshit but it's more ideologically bullshit and not hypocritical like liberals are and also don't even exist anymore.

Interesting.

Well it's no wonder they don't exist anymore. Since it is like wanting tigers to become vegans or wanting fish to fly. Again, notice that the fact that you could even begin to seriously ponder about that question (that women should also fight) already posits a significant increase in technological development of our weaponry and indeed, that's what happened - we got guns and balistic missiles instead of swords, spears and catapults. However, even nowadays women would still not be fit to actually fight on the frontlines (not that anyone actually should, but that's not my point)


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  On 1/29/2025 at 0:19 PM, gengar said:

Claiming the true existence of genetic superiority is absolutely a huge thing.

You are genetically superior to a dwarf. Not morally superior, just your functional capacities are higher.

Ironically, as you complain about woke Europeans who cannot see that men need to fight in Ukraine, you are missing that dwarfs cannot win a war against Russians either, because they are physically limited. Physical strength is necessary to win in combat. But there is also mental strength. A mentally disabled general cannot win a war.

This is the reality of life.

Be careful not to jump to conclusions about what ought to be done about this. I am merely stating how reality works, not making any policy decisions or moral-worth claims.

No matter how much you dislike it, society IS composed of a bell-curve of weaker and stronger individuals across hundreds of dimensions, and these differences are not minor, they are massive. The challenge of organizing society is to figure out how to handle these differences in a good way without abusing anyone.

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  On 1/29/2025 at 2:24 PM, Kairos said:

@Leo Gura Would AI and technology take general population towards higher consciousness or further from it ? 

It's very hard to say how AI will play out.

Generally speaking human evolution seems to be moving towards higher consciousness. But that's very long-term. In the short-term lots of weirdness will happen.

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Sometimes I wonder if there are actual harmonised consciousness streams.

i wrote this essay and uploaded it about two weeks ago. 
 

im now listening to Leo’s post modernism 2, hearing similar concepts including the reference to using the tool to analyse the tool looping back on itself 🤣.

theres no real point to this comment, I’m just amusing myself.

thanks for the continued contemplation and sharing @Leo Gura.

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  On 1/29/2025 at 3:48 PM, Adrian colby said:

Sometimes I wonder if there are actual harmonised consciousness streams.

There are.

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  On 1/29/2025 at 2:12 PM, Leo Gura said:

You are genetically superior to a dwarf. Not morally superior, just your functional capacities are higher.

Ironically, as you complain about woke Europeans who cannot see that men need to fight in Ukraine, you are missing that dwarfs cannot win a war against Russians either, because they are physically limited. Physical strength is necessary to win in combat. But there is also mental strength. A mentally disabled general cannot win a war.

This is the reality of life.

Be careful not to jump to conclusions about what ought to be done about this. I am merely stating how reality works, not making any policy decisions or moral-worth claims.

No matter how much you dislike it, society IS composed of a bell-curve of weaker and stronger individuals across hundreds of dimensions, and these differences are not minor, they are massive. The challenge of organizing society is to figure out how to handle these differences in a good way without abusing anyone.

(First of all I would like to apologize for my previous posts. It was way too crazy and I was not in a good state.)

 

That is not at all the tone of how you had described it in your blog post. The worst part about it is how you described it as a justification of elite corruption and oppression of the weak. Now you're suddenly painting a picture of some utopia where the strong elites take care of the weak and therefore are in the elite position to run the society for the sake of goodness. This is a 180 from how the elites have used their position and gifts in the past and present. So much torture has been going on and you justify it by saying it is the reality of life. This intellectual giving in to the "reality of life", is despicable IMO. No matter how empirically true it is, it is not "the reality of life". We are still in the dark ages and what is the reality of life can be changed tomorrow or in ten thousand years. Calling it reality and justifying the elites (because in that post you ranted against revolutionary ideology) is siding with the elites. Imagine if we were stuck in a cosmic salvia prison being tortured by aliens. After a few thousand years you would be the one to call it reality and call all hopes of goodness and peace a hippy fantasy. This is exactly what you are doing here. Notice your lowkey edgelord persona of being a knight of truth, callously slicing through the cope of people's fantasies because "truth is above all". and denouncing them as unreachable and not worth fighting for, because you as the warrior have empirically found blackpilled truths that you think no one else has found. Of course everyone knows that disabled and gifted people exist and that this is unfair. But you are justifying the current system of exploitation by calling all calls to change the system, fantasies, simply because the exploitative system has worked for so long. But calling it the reality of life in your position is deeply wrong, precisely because reality can change from a salvian prison to a heavenly utopia, because consciousness has the potential to be both. In your post you completely denounce this possibility and call it fantasy. I hate your intellectual hatred for hippies, because they are the only ones pulling us towards utopia, although ever so slowly. Their fantasy is not simply a fantasy. Jesus was such an anarchist hippie raging against the machine, and his followers actualized his hippieness into stage blue from stage red. Although still corrupt, we can all agree that Christianity is better than Roman paganism, where darwinism was embraced as "the way of the world" just like you are doing in that post. Jesus realized the cruel nature of the world but raged against it, while your post reeks of a subtle perverse enjoyment (evident in your explicit mention of traits like physical attractiveness) of the fact that the dumb non elites are inferior and therefore deserve their oppression because they are not wise and not thinking. Jesus realized that the non elites were sheep, but loved and guided them while you see them as unredeemable. It is truly wrong in my opinion. Just because you are pissed off and disappointed by the dumb nature of the non elites, does not mean. You can make Randian points like this and call it Truth. It is only true in the sense that it has been for past human development and evolution. There is so much potential which when reading your post you do not recognize. You have to admit you are not thinking about such possibilities, true good for humanity, when writing such posts. You are simply bitter about Trumps win and the like and have denounced the non elites forever, to not ever be released from the elites grasp. That is what I make out of your post. There is zero talk about a vision to lead the non elites towards truth. You see them as evil, stupid and unredeemable, like fish in a tank, always to be exploited by the elite. And everything else is fantasy.

It made me so angry because you do it under the name of radical truth, but this is wrong, because even though (in Jesus' words) Satan is the god of this world (the gargantuan nature of human ignorance and selfishness) this should never be accepted in the name of radical truth. Satan is gargantuan, but Love is Infinite. Imagine a utopian that we can reach in a million years, lasting a billion. That is radical truth and spirituality, and by leaving this out of your narrative, you are siding with the devil. No matter how much evil there is and has been, you cannot leave the real truth out when discussing the nature of the world in name of the ultimate truth. It's extremely sneaky and unspiritual fo you to do this. Why can't you just drop your blackpills but also give a message of hope at the same time, even if it will take a million years? I can't believe you did not think of this but instead just drop a blackpill without any counter narrative of redemption, even if it is only found in death. That a spiritual leader like you would not think of this, never giving a sidenote of hope when dropping your blackpills. What hope is there for a disabled person reading a post like that? Will he ever be elite or redeemed? (According to you he will in some lifetime, but he can't find that in your post). You callously drop blackpills in the most aggressive way possible. It's also wrong in an intellectual level because why is God putting people through being nonelite? What is the other side of the coin? No hope or spiritual guidance from you, that we all have to figure out ourselves, if we ask it from you. But for a hearty dose of blackpills you are happy to deal them out. It truly hurts me that you are like this, you are the most spiritual person on earth, having unearthed for many people the deepest guidance towards Shiva, yet about worldly life/Shakti give no hope. If I were to believe you, life is one big blackpill and that's it. You used to give life motivation in your older videos like the motivational speeches, but now it seems such lives are only meant for certain people. Even if that's true, you should side that dark truth with practical advice for people undergoing inferiority.

If we were stuck in a salvia prison together, in the worst corner of infinity, being tortured by aliens, what hope could you give me, with all the spiritual knowledge you have right now, what hope could you give?

What is a wheelchaired person to do in his life? Is there any sense in doing good karma for the next life? Should he just kill himself?

now that is something serious for a spiritual leader to contemplate. Why are you keen on sharing blackpills, but when we ask for hope it is all fantasy and we have to figure it out ourselves? imo its an obvious flaw in your whole persona. Sorry to dish it out so harshly. 

This is literally the only dark thing about you imo. For the rest you are already extremely caring and christlike, like how much you care about that dudes dog etc. but when it comes to your truth dealing it is way too dark and you don't want to give us spiritual hope and a vision for redemption for humankind. I don't understand how you don't see that that blog post is the most offensive thing you have ever written. It could be true, but what makes it so offensive is that you don't side it with the things that could redeem such a dark reality, even if its at the other side of the universe and time. Radical darkness and survival needs radical light and hippieness to fight it, always. This leaving out and dropping such an absolutely cosmically atomic blackpill without any solution is so wrong and unspiritual. That is why I think you partly wrote that post with a gripe against the littlefolk and their inferiority.

 

 

 

 

 

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"these differences are not minor, they are massive."

What is your proof that the difference are massive and not minor? We all know there are genius and retarded outliers but to say the entire bell curve has massive differences does not follow out of this. What research have you done to know this?

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The most important failure of that post is that you put up a premise, namely the blackpill nature of society and life, but don't resolve this premise with actions to conquer this, such as accumulating good karma or something. All religions and traditions respond to this premise, but you don't. When reading your post it gives zero reason to not either become a devil yourself or kill yourself since it's all so blackpilled anyway. The premise is not resolved by any means. Just giving the premise in such a callous way is dangerous to your audience, but most are half asleep so they probably don't care, but I for once recognize the cosmic significance of the ultimate darkly premise that you snuck in to your audience so sneakily, like shoving a candle in a passed out drunk girls p*****.

Sorry I have to be so harsh but it's literally the only way to level with your level of harshness and blackpilling and make an argument against it. 

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  On 1/30/2025 at 9:12 AM, gengar said:

That is not at all the tone of how you had described it in your blog post.

I am not limited to any one tone or frame. The same truths can be framed in various ways for various purposes, to emphasize or teach various points.

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The worst part about it is how you described it as a justification of elite corruption and oppression of the weak.

You are conflating statements of how reality works and why it works as it works vs how it ought to be.

I framed it bluntly in that post on purpose, to counter the leftist compacency and fantasy about the way politics works. Politics is a very nasty business. When this is underestimated by stage Green, fascists win elections. That was the lesson.

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Now you're suddenly painting a picture of some utopia where the strong elites take care of the weak and therefore are in the elite position to run the society for the sake of goodness.

That is ideally how it would work, but we are very far from that.

Ideally the strong should help the weak. But in our lifetime the strong will exploit the weak. Stage Greens struggle to make sense of this because it is too real for their worldview to handle.

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This is a 180 from how the elites have used their position and gifts in the past and present. So much torture has been going on and you justify it by saying it is the reality of live. This giving in to the "reality of life" is absolutely despicable IMO.

It's just a description of how society functions.

I don't justify things, I explain they necessarily exist.

I can explain to you why horror is necessary, but you take things so personally that you cannot hear it.

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Is siding with the elites.

In today's populist climate I side with elites, yes. Not the oligraches or some of your demonizations of elites, but something more complex.

I do not buy into the hype and foolishness of populism. That does not mean I support corruption or whatever other demonizations you have invented.

You should note what your populism has wrought: the worst oligarchic corruption and President in US history.

If you consider Kamala Harris an "elite", yeah, I am cool with that. I will take Kamala over Musk+Trump+Zuck+Bannon+Nazis.

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Of course everyone knows that disabled and gifted people exist and that this is unfair. But you are justifying the current system of exploitation by calling all calls to change the system, fantasies, simply because the exploitative system has worked for so long.

The system can be changed but not in the ways populists want or expect.

It is very akin to the situation in Soviet Russia. I am saying that communism will fail, and you are saying I am evil because I am justifying the old system. But all I am saying is that communism will fail for x, y, z reasons.

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There is so much potential which when reading your post you do not recognize. You have to admit you are not thinking about such possibilities, true good for humanity, when writing such posts.

My post was a wake-up call from Green fantasy and bad sense-making.

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There is zero talk about a vision to lead the non elites towards truth.

That's what all my work is. But who has the stomach for it?

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Satan is gargantuan, but Love is Infinite.

There is no contradiction. There isn't a "but" there.

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Imagine a utopian that we can reach in a million years, lasting a billion.

Sure, great.

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That is radical truth and spirituality, and by leaving this out of your narrative, you are siding with the devil.

I have no obligation to frame things in how you want them framed in a particular post.

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It's extremely sneaky and unspiritual fo you to do this.

Nothing is unspiritual.

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Why can't you just drop your blackpills but also give a message of hope at the same time, even if it will take a million years?

Because I frame things in various ways to make various points.

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I can't believe you did not think of this but instead just drop a blackpill without any counter narrative of redemption

Yeah, well, life is like that sometimes.

There is no promise of a white pill for every black.

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What hope is there for a disabled person reading a post like that? Will he ever be elite or redeemed?

Some people got it bad in life. Then again, some disabled people could have other talents and strengths.

I am in a sense disabled by my health problems. So I will never run the world. And that is okay. Running the world is overrated anyway.

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because why is God putting people through being nonelite? What is the other side of the coin?

Why does God bomb Palestinian babies?

Life is rough and unfair.

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No hope or spiritual guidance from you, that we all have to figure out ourselves, if we ask it from you.

I have a large body of work. And more to come. It balances out on the whole, not per blog post.

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But for a hearty dose of blackpills you are happy to deal them out.

You don't know how much I restrained myself over the last year to not put out black pills because I knew people like you would hound me for it endlessly.

I have videos I didn't record because of people like you.

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It truly hurts me that you are like this, you are the most spiritual person on earth, having unearthed for many people the deepest guidance towards Shiva, yet about worldly life/Shakti give no hope.

That's not true. I give hope in many of my videos.

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If we were stuck in a salvia prison together, in the worst corner of infinity, being tortured by aliens, what hope could you give me, with all the spiritual knowledge you have right now, what hope could you give?

I don't want to be your crutch for hope.

I don't want to give your promises and guarantees that your life will end well. That is not in alignment with truth.

But I have a video on hope planned.

But why can't you generate your own hope? You got a vivid imagination. Just because Leo said populism is stupid you now have no hope?? That doesn't follow. There are ways beyond populism and things beyond politics.

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What is a wheelchaired person to do in his life? Is there any sense in doing good karma for the next life? Should he just kill himself?

That is hard to say. Many wheelchaired people live good lives, others do not. It all depends. Some rich and healthy elites suffer more than wheelchair people. I would not want to trade places with Trump even though he is healthier than I am.

There is sense in living as best as one can. How best your best is, is unknown.

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Why are you keen on sharing blackpills, but when we ask for hope it is all fantasy and we have to figure it out ourselves?

Balancing high vision with pragmatic reality is very tricky. I will make a video about that.

I have many powerful videos to come.

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This is literally the only dark thing about you imo.

Over the last two years I have been through hell and realized very serious things.

And in general, this is a most serious work. It requires a very sober, grounded approach.

My focus is not on how to frame things to not upset people. My focus is on avoiding human illusion. That is a deliberate priority I set in this work. It then has certain consequences.

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A  video with somehow a post-modernist vibe. But nuance be applied because many things she say makes lot of sense. As always is hard to chose the wheat from chaft

Is about language domintation and all shenanigans of it in a social cultural context. Example: English is dominant because is the best language or because it is the language of the colonizers?

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  On 1/30/2025 at 10:17 AM, Leo Gura said:

I don't want to be your crutch for hope.

I don't want to give your promises and guarantees that your life will end well. That is not in alignment with truth.

Reading a book on the Spanish Inquisition and thinking if I would be able to be a crutch for hope for those Heretic people tortured to accept the Holy Faith. Truth be said, is that if I was born around 1400 I myself could be a Inquisitor or a Heretic. So, in a big scale we are part of all this Survival Game, we came from those crooked people. I have Italian Bloodline, who know the Evils my Ancestors commited? 

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On the Relativity of Nation States and Borders but at same time why and how they came to be. Is Relative because is Related to the Survival. 

 

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National borders are relative to social consensus. A border only exists as long as enough humans believe it exists and are willing to die to defend that belief.

If humans were not willing to die to defend borders then borders would be meaningless and effectively cease to exist.

You literally see this playing out in Ukraine right now. Putin believes that Ukraine's border isn't real, and he is willing to sacrifice 500,000 Russian lives to shift that belief. Ukraine believes in its border and is also willing to sacrifice lives to uphold its view. Who will win? No one knows. Relativity is playing out in real time.

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@Leo Gura A Critique of your Critique of Post-Modernism, as a polite gesture.

Mate, I applaud your tenacity in dissecting postmodernism as you dissect every nuance, from relativism to epistemic blind spots. Yet in your eagerness here, you neglect the fundamental truth that human beings, for better or worse, embody morality before they theorize it. You map out how cognition can spiral through modern, postmodern, and even “transhuman” stages, but you miss the primal force that propels any moral stance that has any merit beyond any potentially manipulative shadow its cloaked in, namely, empathy. Not shallow, sentimental “niceness,” but the stuff that springs from the acknowledgement of the very 'sovereignty' of an individual that you yourself expressed, something I shared as follows not long before you shared the video actually " This shift redefines heroism as an ongoing process of becoming, returning to the outlining of the limits to synchronization noted in part 3. It is not about reaching a fixed state of virtue, that's just a reflection of philosophical absurdity at its present state of pseudo-intellectualism that reflects a caricature of the human condition, instead its about continually evolving toward greater synchronization of mind, heart, and spirit with their respective higher integrated universal truths inclusive then of our greater nervous system and connection between each other towards higher and higher, more and more powerful states of being. It's all about the harmony between individuality, universe and respectful acknowledgement of their meeting ground of sovereignty and finding peace in the transformations asked of us in the process of shifting from evolving to 'being' back into 'becoming'... a "Universal". "

 

You’re right that postmodernism uncovers hidden biases and unravels absolutist claims, the trouble is mate, you treat that unraveling as if it solves or even addresses the emotional impetus behind why people cling to certain worldviews. You note that societies weaponize science or rationality, but you ignore the raw, empathic fuel that either fosters or warps these constructs. Without acknowledging that core affect, no intellectual “meta” stance can fulfill its promise. Moralities aren’t just chess moves of power as you say; they’re also expressions of whether we’re aligned with genuine love or consumed by fear, rage, or apathy say, again, as I encapsulate in 'From Heroism to Universalism'. In this sense mate, you state 'you can't unsee construct awareness' while being oblivious to the fact that 'construct awareness' is its own 'construct' referring to the inherent confirmation bias then that would limit an individual to move beyond the bias of their own meta-understanding of the value of religions themselves, of which, all spring from the acknowledgement of the sovereignty that I am talking about.

Moreover, while it’s commendable that you highlight how easily postmodernism slips into dogmatic activism or shallow identity politics, you seem to want a purely conceptual remedy, or at the very least, your critique falls short by the very fact that its limited to critique rather than a solution at the nervous system level as I have shared, which isn't to be hero's or even 'universals' but first and foremost, to align with our highest energies, not out of 'iron will' but a slow maturity analogous to the slow growing of a bone after a breakage, the fracturing of morality in the way I have described is a direct parallel. You’re championing an ever-expanding rational lens, but that lens, no matter how meta you want to go forgets the willingness to feel deeply for another being’s wellbeing, to experience the visceral cost of suffering. By treating moral systems like abstract puzzles, you sidestep the human reality that our moral sense is intimately tied to the body, to relationships, and to forms of devotion that transcend mere logical coherence. Yes, societies need frameworks; yes, geopolitics and survival matter. Yet there’s a difference between grudgingly admitting we “need” hierarchical structures and embracing a deeper impetus to care for each other. If you only fixate on intellectual mastery, you limit your own maturity and growth by those very limits because you haven't understood the very limits that constrain every perception beyond the intellect. If you change the heart, you will change your perception is the direct implication of what I have stated and shared in that piece of writing pertaining to the Star Wars analogy. Constructing truths, parrying dogmas, then the underlying empathic current, which truly animates moral life, becomes secondary to the internal alignment, the only solution, that is needed not getting lost in the 'survival need' that can blur the real compass of morality and therefore mislead observers and future critiquers like yourself. That’s precisely how an otherwise incisive critique of postmodernism can remain ungrounded, it can’t explain why love, or compassion, or mutual care might truly guide us beyond these ideological swirling's.

So you've critiqued with solid justice, granted but overall you've shrugged at the emotional substrate that makes us care about any of this to begin with, why our hearts want to move all the way to the end of the video isn't to just solve some 'survival game' internally. No matter how expertly we decode biases or reframe “absolute truth,” we cannot claim any holistic meta-view while ignoring the felt dimension of moral concern. We don’t simply need a “higher vantage point”; we need to feel where moral impetus arises Leo, at that junction of heart, body, and consciousness. Without that, even the best post-rational synthesis you do collapses into a new brand of cerebral play, ironically mirroring the same shallowness that you critique. Ironically, you've fallen into the same (moral) materialistic paradigm you've claim to critique, the limitation of concept without understanding its energetic and in our case, moral underpinnings.

As a thought experiment, I recommend you imagine yourself as 'a moral being' then understanding all the ways energetically, this can become distorted relative to the functionality of your being as a full nervous system apparatus, now you will understand why and how society has fallen by those particular degrees themselves and thus by the same measure, where we have balance versus going above and beyond accordingly. And by the way, Unity, predicates "Universalism", something that will never be achieved solely through the mind. This is going to take you thousands of hours to really grasp, not to mention the hundreds of hours more I feel its going to take you until you actually grasp the magnitude of what you've really missed and realign yourself accordingly, by that same measure though, I look forward to embracing my own unique psychedelic route next year, one that is only likely to more align where I already am in light of the reports I have so far heard as my morality is not 'social' it is empathic. You don't 'unleash the self' when you lose the small 's' of social and make it a big 'S' as you say, you turn it into a child Leo, and when you add an 'e' for where emotion meets empathy into a big 'E', that's when that 'free child' learns to truly become mature.

I feel you've only broken into the meta, and that's fine, you're still at the beginning level. I think its fantastic you're encouraging people to explore themselves in all these wonderful ways, however right now I feel like because you're still at that beginner level, you're not sure how to wear clothes in a field in which you presently kinda look a bit naked. No offense man. Still, great job, you'll get there eventually. 

As for your idea that you need to be 'very awake' to understand the absolute vs relative, its also not very tricky, really, and we need to humble ourselves as humans in this regard, to me its analogous to a pigeon learning to mimic a monkey, on the absolute scale, its not a high achievement on a relative scale though, its an incredible achievement. I feel that if you learned to bring more balance between your self-referential dopaminergic 'insight loop' that feeds into your sense of 'self-validation' and personal grandiosity, you'd be able to become more level headed and appraise your progress with a more esteemed level of personal development. At the same time, to the contrary by merely having gratitude and appreciation for our own progress, its simultaneously a healthy way to self-appraise while also not being taken away by the blunder of over-aggrandising one's own progress that in return, distorts the fundamental role, purpose and connection we must maintain with the rest of our environment, group, society, country, world to act in a continued level headed way, which to come full circle, ends in 'the social game' regardless as to how much you wish to critique it or think you've successfully done so, because the social, always ends in its end full absolute scale as a mere fact of all of us being human here, as per your false notion of 'psuedo universal values', which is of course, an oxymoron predicated by a lack of understanding the biological energy that predicates one 'evil' side versus a 'good' side. Regardless as to any mental gymnastics you try Leo, eventually you're going to have to concede defeat mate, aliens or non-alien thought experiment there too there's still our own inherent self-understanding of positive versus negative, dark versus light. 

We need the conceptual, its the carving of our mental worlds that create the final product of our morality, but its all driven by those underpinnings mate, that in our ignorance, reduces our development by the largest possible measure as a consequence of their position relative to our consciousness of consciousness itself. 

Best Light.

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  On 1/31/2025 at 2:57 AM, Letho said:

So you've critiqued with solid justice, granted but overall you've shrugged at the emotional substrate that makes us care about any of this to begin with, why our hearts want to move all the way to the end of the video isn't to just solve some 'survival game' internally. No matter how expertly we decode biases or reframe “absolute truth,” we cannot claim any holistic meta-view while ignoring the felt dimension of moral concern. We don’t simply need a “higher vantage point”; we need to feel where moral impetus arises Leo, at that junction of heart, body, and consciousness. Without that, even the best post-rational synthesis you do collapses into a new brand of cerebral play, ironically mirroring the same shallowness that you critique. Ironically, you've fallen into the same (moral) materialistic paradigm you've claim to critique, the limitation of concept without understanding its energetic and in our case, moral underpinnings.

I don't deny or neglect the emotional aspect at all. Emotions are all about survival. The ego's survival. Of course bias is grounded in emotions. Emotions corrupt the mind almost entirely.

It's not about cerebral, it's about consciousness. You're not going to become deeply conscious when lost in emotions.

Pretty much all human morality is nonsense. It's an unconscious emotional game that the ego-mind plays. It is pure survival. And it must be transcended to reach true morality. The typical human has no idea what morality is or how to achieve it.

Your moral/emotional approach will fail. Because it will turn into corruption/survival/self-deception/bias.

Yes, empathy is hugely important, but not the naive, biased empathy of common people. Something much deeper and more serious is needed because ego will co-opt empathy towards your own tribe. Your morality, your empathy, your love -- all of it will be used against you to deepen your self-deception.

I didn't focus on emotions or morality in this series because it's about post-modern philosophy. I focused on what is needed to make sense of post-modernism. I will have separate videos on morality and empathy.

Of course there is deep emotion behind all of human survival, which is why any time I say something radical or brutal people get pissed off me and come here to criticize.

Edited by Leo Gura

You are God. You are Truth. You are Love. You are Infinity.

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@Leo Gura While I understand the inclination to view emotions as inherently tied to survival and ego, I believe this perspective oversimplifies their role in human experience. Emotions are not merely the products of base survival instincts; they serve as critical components of our consciousness, guiding our moral decisions and helping us navigate the complexities of social interaction. Distortion occurs on the level of awareness, its level the very measurement of how distortion results as a consequence of chaos outweighing the consciousnesses capacity to create order, in this case, the moral attudinal force that aligns internal to external. 

Emotions, when properly understood and regulated, do not necessarily corrupt the mind, they aid in this alignment problem, they are our sensing ground and its only when this sensory relationship is not in tact, that they, like thoughts to intellect, become chaos for the mind and body. By that same calculation Leo, I can say 'thoughts' are merely about 'survival', however I'd also disagree there, they're both to be understood together as solving that alignment problem above and beyond myopically reducing them to this abstract notion of 'ego'. 

Emotions to senses are therefore senses to connection and connection to being, aka other beings, something that as stated forces solipsism by any stretch even though we're not talking about this here, to fall under its weight of awareness where solipsism, is therefore not a measurement of self-awareness but the direct measurement of the lack of awareness a sentience has of another. This connection deepens our sense of consciousness and allow us to relate more deeply to others and through that connection point because there is a relative connection transfer, relate more deeply to ourselves and life itself. Empathy, for instance, is rooted in our emotional capacity and is integral to any meaningful moral system. To disregard emotions in the pursuit of transcendent consciousness is to neglect a core part of the human condition. True consciousness doesn’t require the eradication of emotions but their thoughtful integration. 'Universal' is to 'Unity' at the very least, of heart, mind and gut. You're reducing yourself by arguing me rather than winning anything.

As for morality, it’s easy to dismiss it as a mere byproduct of ego or unconscious emotional processes. However, as I've stated very thoroughly this neglects the fact that morality is essential for fostering cooperation and a sense of community stemmed by the inherent desire to do 'good', which is a feeling, an energy, something that I can't explain to you if you've never felt these energies before. While our moral systems are certainly influenced by emotional and ego-driven biases relative to the above described distortion, this doesn’t make them inherently flawed or invalid. In fact, the very process of refining our moral compass often involves confronting and overcoming these biases, leading to a more nuanced understanding of right and wrong. Leo, run the thought experiment of expanding the awareness of a highly sensitive being to absurd god levels, would you say that they'd solve the distortion problem described above by that point thereby rendering any 'ego bias' argument obviously invalid? I think so, this is why meditation, self-reflection and gradual maturity in these domains, works and aids exactly the areas of morality to empathy to connection with the universe to self I'm talking about; sense, whether its with spectrum of emotion to the gradient of feeling via conceptual metaphor, is the endless sensing ground for future deeper connection with the universe, the very transcendence you say you're solving by merely reducing emotions to an ego game, which in lieu of the provided transcendence through them, invalides this perspective. 

I disagree with the notion that morality, when rooted in emotion, will inevitably lead to corruption or self-deception by this valid argumentation. If anything, the path to true moral clarity often requires acknowledging our emotional biases, not eradicating them, something that is practiced in your teaching over and over, so I find it very interesting you've overstepped this so easily. By reflecting on our emotions and their influence on our decisions, we gain insight into our deeper motivations, which allows for growth and that same transcendent understanding, or variant of it, I've signposted.

In the end, transcending ego and bias is a powerful goal, with, without, or through a more integrated approach, regardless, but it need not come at the cost of abandoning the very tools, the very sensing ground that connect us more deeply to ourselves and others, emotion and empathy, and in return, more meaningful moral reflection, and this supposed 'self-insight' is somehow diametrically opposed to, which I argue that its obviously not, in fact, its divisional. Division which is beneficial to someone that is suffering from many delusions, too divisional however for someone that is trying to navigate a more nuanced and deeper picture of truth. I believe true morality involves a synthesis of reason, emotion, and self-awareness, which together help us navigate the complexities of human life with authenticity and compassion, you've characterised very little of the scales of conscoiusness you're missing out on by not imagining and going after their synthesis and misguiding others when you do this by somehow disguising it as truth even in spite of the many pitfalls you (as well as those you've influenced) yourself have fallen into which by this point even you would admit, you cannot ignore their moral implications. 

Best.

Edited by Letho

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