Post Modernism Pt 2

[LifeEnjoyer]

3 hours ago, LambdaDelta said:

It's a sort of prelude to the subconscious reprogramming course (whatever happened to that btw?)

IIRC, it's coming this 2025.

[gengar]

This was one of the best and most profound episodes yet, although subtly so. It was a sophisticated and nuanced exposition of what proper sense making and epistemology entails in the worldly/Shakti sense, which is a lot more messy, detailed and twisted than in the realm of Godhead/Shiva. A contrast to this episode would be the "what is reality episode" which is entirely in the realm of Shiva. Although that episode was extremely profound of course, it is basically about one truth, since the realm of Shiva is absolute oneness and therefore simpleness; the entire video was about the one radical truth of infinite imagination in this very moment. Very abstract and spiritual. And actually a lot easier in a sense to make than this video. In this video Leo really went into the nitty gritty of sense making of the world and you could see him struggling because so many points are so nuanced and complex, and hard to explicate properly, in contrast to saying "everything is fucking imaginary and there is no past or future, you are imagining everything right now". This video really went deep into the structure of our fractal worldly consciousness and not the ultimate structure of Shiva consciousness which is ultimate radicalness, oneness and transcendence. No one has done this so far. This video has profound implications and is a piece of art imo. But its subtly this way because it seems less radical than the "Shiva" videos. It's hard for me to explain why it's so good but this one is a huge one. The person complaining about some style mistakes or repetition imo does not really get how advanced this vid is and how much it integrates his previous vids with the real world.

My critique is that instead of making the distinction between 1st order truth and 2nd order truth, this naming is not accurate because it implies that there can be more orders of truth above level 2. It's not about orders of truth, it is not an increasing hierarchy, but actually a binary between Shiva and Shakti, or Godhead and world, whatever you want to call it. Shiva is absolute truth while Shakti is infinite relativity and worldliness. The postmodernist recognizes Shakti's nature but not Shivas. The naming of 1st/2nd order truth implies an ordinal sequence which is imo not correct. 

What still baffles me is that in this Video there is such a loving Leo with very positive energy, talking about spiritual values like sovereignty of all consciousnesses, etc. while on the blog and forum he talks about things like genetic superiority and empirical justification of worldly elites and devilry. We would never hear about such stances in his videos and there is something deeply sinister about that.

Edited yesterday at 11:48 AM by gengar

[gambler]

3 minutes ago, gengar said:

What still baffles me is that in this Video there is such a loving Leo with very positive energy, talking about spiritual values like sovereignty of all consciousnesses, etc. while on the blog and forum he talks about things like genetic superiority and empirical justification of worldly elites and devilry. We would never hear about such stances in his videos and there is something deeply sinister about that.

Dude. That’s your uncharitable reading, stop doing that. 

[gengar]

On 27/01/2025 at 2:14 PM, NewKidOnTheBlock said:

Bottom line is that, leftist woke postmodernist philosophy/ideology is only allowed to be created and exist due to significant technological progress. So that you can sit in your comfortable little chairs and philosophise. In a way, they're perfect examples of armchair philosophers

It's not the only thing that is necessary for it to bloom, but it is a necessary prerequisite

One thing I hate about Liberal woke people in Europe is how they love to preach extremist postmodernist things like gender-neutral raising of children, and a true despising of traditional gender roles, while they have no qualms about the fact that the people dying in Ukraine are mostly men that are forced to join the army while the women get too flee. They somehow don't see that this is the material reason of traditional gender roles in the first place. They literally don't see the hypocrisy in it. They are embodiments of millennial woke liberal memes of soy milk drinking people with strongly explicated subversive ideas about society, and they have an intense hatred for Putin. But they don't see that raising your sons that they can wear dresses and all that stuff means less defensive power against a potential enemy like the Russians. I wish I was exaggerating but I'm not, I empirically found that this is the level of left leaning liberals in western Europe, they are living memes.

This is why I have more respect for true socialist types like the Black Panthers where women also have to fight the same way as men. They were true egalitarians and not some elitarian twisted "woke" shit like the libs. But they came with their own universe of bullshit but it's more ideologically bullshit and not hypocritical like liberals are and also don't even exist anymore.

[gengar]

14 minutes ago, gambler said:

Dude. That’s your uncharitable reading, stop doing that. 

Claiming the true existence of genetic superiority is absolutely a huge thing.

[gambler]

@gengar One of the worst things about their hypocrisy as it relates to their disdain for gender norms, is that they absolutely hate perceived repression of femininity in girls. But are pro repression of masculinity for boys. The extreme aspects of femininity can be protected. Like making it socially unacceptable to slut shame. But have you ever heard of making it unacceptable to fuck-boy shame? This word can be used to shame men for sleeping around, it’s not a word that is necessarily applied in accordance with its strict definition (being manipulative). Yet, fuck boys, as used to shame how sexual a man is, are an example of toxic masculinity (because the man sees women as objects for sex). But sluts are not an example of toxic femininity because as a matter of fact, the libs haven’t even defined what toxic femininity is yet. 

Edited yesterday at 03:37 PM by gambler

[Thought Art]

31 minutes ago, gengar said:

Claiming the true existence of genetic superiority is absolutely a huge thing.

Have you seen the Olympics or Victoria’s Secret? Professional basketball or football? You don’t think genes play a roll? Ever seen. Mouse in the white house?

Whether we like it or not people are born with different gifts from their genes. Some are born with higher intelligence, better looks, more athletic ability, taller, etc. Now, genes isn’t the only factor in success. But, for specific survival strategies. 

Edited yesterday at 12:53 PM by Thought Art

[Dazgwny]

11 hours ago, Thought Art said:

is that it was a bit long

I don’t agree personally with this. I’ve never found an episode too long, and if something needs the time put into it to get the teaching across I’m all for that. There’s absolutely no reason anyone has to watch the episode in 1 sitting. Split it over 2 sittings over a couple of days if you do not have the time or have the attention span or whatever reason. To split it yourself is no different to when Leo makes a part 1/2/3 for a series. I see no issues with video length. And seems so many have moaned about a shortage of video releases over the last year or 2, then a longer one when released should make their day, split it yourself watch one half one week and the next half the following week and you’ve 2 videos for the price of one. Which may I remind the whiners is FREE

[Thought Art]

@Dazgwny Yeah, but it being long and having needless repetition is the critique. I don’t mind a long episode. 

[NewKidOnTheBlock]

39 minutes ago, gengar said:

This is why I have more respect for true socialist types like the Black Panthers where women also have to fight the same way as men. They were true egalitarians and not some elitarian twisted "woke" shit like the libs. But they came with their own universe of bullshit but it's more ideologically bullshit and not hypocritical like liberals are and also don't even exist anymore.

Interesting.

Well it's no wonder they don't exist anymore. Since it is like wanting tigers to become vegans or wanting fish to fly. Again, notice that the fact that you could even begin to seriously ponder about that question (that women should also fight) already posits a significant increase in technological development of our weaponry and indeed, that's what happened - we got guns and balistic missiles instead of swords, spears and catapults. However, even nowadays women would still not be fit to actually fight on the frontlines (not that anyone actually should, but that's not my point)

[Leo Gura]

1 hour ago, gengar said:

Claiming the true existence of genetic superiority is absolutely a huge thing.

You are genetically superior to a dwarf. Not morally superior, just your functional capacities are higher.

Ironically, as you complain about woke Europeans who cannot see that men need to fight in Ukraine, you are missing that dwarfs cannot win a war against Russians either, because they are physically limited. Physical strength is necessary to win in combat. But there is also mental strength. A mentally disabled general cannot win a war.

This is the reality of life.

Be careful not to jump to conclusions about what ought to be done about this. I am merely stating how reality works, not making any policy decisions or moral-worth claims.

No matter how much you dislike it, society IS composed of a bell-curve of weaker and stronger individuals across hundreds of dimensions, and these differences are not minor, they are massive. The challenge of organizing society is to figure out how to handle these differences in a good way without abusing anyone.

Edited yesterday at 02:19 PM by Leo Gura

[Kairos]

@Leo Gura Would AI and technology take general population towards higher consciousness or further from it ? 

[Leo Gura]

47 minutes ago, Kairos said:

@Leo Gura Would AI and technology take general population towards higher consciousness or further from it ? 

It's very hard to say how AI will play out.

Generally speaking human evolution seems to be moving towards higher consciousness. But that's very long-term. In the short-term lots of weirdness will happen.

Edited yesterday at 03:10 PM by Leo Gura

[Adrian colby]

 

Sometimes I wonder if there are actual harmonised consciousness streams.

i wrote this essay and uploaded it about two weeks ago. 
 

im now listening to Leo’s post modernism 2, hearing similar concepts including the reference to using the tool to analyse the tool looping back on itself 🤣.

theres no real point to this comment, I’m just amusing myself.

thanks for the continued contemplation and sharing @Leo Gura.

[The Crocodile]

47 minutes ago, Adrian colby said:

Sometimes I wonder if there are actual harmonised consciousness streams.

There are.

[ryandesreu]

3 hours ago, Kairos said:

@Leo Gura Would AI and technology take general population towards higher consciousness or further from it ?

This following is the product of a chat with GPT.

What fascinates me is the tension between individuality and collective evolution. On one hand, higher consciousness seems to push us toward unity and connection. But on the other hand, history shows that individualism, competition, and conflict drive much of human progress. Are these forces necessary for growth, or will they eventually work against us?

I’m also intrigued by the idea of "devolution"—that as we move forward technologically, we might lose basic human skills, like intuition, survival instincts, or empathy. It’s strange to think that progress might lead us away from what makes us human in the first place.

Finally, I wonder if evolution will stop being about humans entirely. Maybe the future belongs to the systems we create—like AI or new ecosystems. Would that be an evolution of consciousness or the start of something entirely different?

 

[gengar]

19 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

You are genetically superior to a dwarf. Not morally superior, just your functional capacities are higher.

Ironically, as you complain about woke Europeans who cannot see that men need to fight in Ukraine, you are missing that dwarfs cannot win a war against Russians either, because they are physically limited. Physical strength is necessary to win in combat. But there is also mental strength. A mentally disabled general cannot win a war.

This is the reality of life.

Be careful not to jump to conclusions about what ought to be done about this. I am merely stating how reality works, not making any policy decisions or moral-worth claims.

No matter how much you dislike it, society IS composed of a bell-curve of weaker and stronger individuals across hundreds of dimensions, and these differences are not minor, they are massive. The challenge of organizing society is to figure out how to handle these differences in a good way without abusing anyone.

(First of all I would like to apologize for my previous posts. It was way too crazy and I was not in a good state.)

 

That is not at all the tone of how you had described it in your blog post. The worst part about it is how you described it as a justification of elite corruption and oppression of the weak. Now you're suddenly painting a picture of some utopia where the strong elites take care of the weak and therefore are in the elite position to run the society for the sake of goodness. This is a 180 from how the elites have used their position and gifts in the past and present. So much torture has been going on and you justify it by saying it is the reality of life. This intellectual giving in to the "reality of life", is despicable IMO. No matter how empirically true it is, it is not "the reality of life". We are still in the dark ages and what is the reality of life can be changed tomorrow or in ten thousand years. Calling it reality and justifying the elites (because in that post you ranted against revolutionary ideology) is siding with the elites. Imagine if we were stuck in a cosmic salvia prison being tortured by aliens. After a few thousand years you would be the one to call it reality and call all hopes of goodness and peace a hippy fantasy. This is exactly what you are doing here. Notice your lowkey edgelord persona of being a knight of truth, callously slicing through the cope of people's fantasies because "truth is above all". and denouncing them as unreachable and not worth fighting for, because you as the warrior have empirically found blackpilled truths that you think no one else has found. Of course everyone knows that disabled and gifted people exist and that this is unfair. But you are justifying the current system of exploitation by calling all calls to change the system, fantasies, simply because the exploitative system has worked for so long. But calling it the reality of life in your position is deeply wrong, precisely because reality can change from a salvian prison to a heavenly utopia, because consciousness has the potential to be both. In your post you completely denounce this possibility and call it fantasy. I hate your intellectual hatred for hippies, because they are the only ones pulling us towards utopia, although ever so slowly. Their fantasy is not simply a fantasy. Jesus was such an anarchist hippie raging against the machine, and his followers actualized his hippieness into stage blue from stage red. Although still corrupt, we can all agree that Christianity is better than Roman paganism, where darwinism was embraced as "the way of the world" just like you are doing in that post. Jesus realized the cruel nature of the world but raged against it, while your post reeks of a subtle perverse enjoyment (evident in your explicit mention of traits like physical attractiveness) of the fact that the dumb non elites are inferior and therefore deserve their oppression because they are not wise and not thinking. Jesus realized that the non elites were sheep, but loved and guided them while you see them as unredeemable. It is truly wrong in my opinion. Just because you are pissed off and disappointed by the dumb nature of the non elites, does not mean. You can make Randian points like this and call it Truth. It is only true in the sense that it has been for past human development and evolution. There is so much potential which when reading your post you do not recognize. You have to admit you are not thinking about such possibilities, true good for humanity, when writing such posts. You are simply bitter about Trumps win and the like and have denounced the non elites forever, to not ever be released from the elites grasp. That is what I make out of your post. There is zero talk about a vision to lead the non elites towards truth. You see them as evil, stupid and unredeemable, like fish in a tank, always to be exploited by the elite. And everything else is fantasy.

It made me so angry because you do it under the name of radical truth, but this is wrong, because even though (in Jesus' words) Satan is the god of this world (the gargantuan nature of human ignorance and selfishness) this should never be accepted in the name of radical truth. Satan is gargantuan, but Love is Infinite. Imagine a utopian that we can reach in a million years, lasting a billion. That is radical truth and spirituality, and by leaving this out of your narrative, you are siding with the devil. No matter how much evil there is and has been, you cannot leave the real truth out when discussing the nature of the world in name of the ultimate truth. It's extremely sneaky and unspiritual fo you to do this. Why can't you just drop your blackpills but also give a message of hope at the same time, even if it will take a million years? I can't believe you did not think of this but instead just drop a blackpill without any counter narrative of redemption, even if it is only found in death. That a spiritual leader like you would not think of this, never giving a sidenote of hope when dropping your blackpills. What hope is there for a disabled person reading a post like that? Will he ever be elite or redeemed? (According to you he will in some lifetime, but he can't find that in your post). You callously drop blackpills in the most aggressive way possible. It's also wrong in an intellectual level because why is God putting people through being nonelite? What is the other side of the coin? No hope or spiritual guidance from you, that we all have to figure out ourselves, if we ask it from you. But for a hearty dose of blackpills you are happy to deal them out. It truly hurts me that you are like this, you are the most spiritual person on earth, having unearthed for many people the deepest guidance towards Shiva, yet about worldly life/Shakti give no hope. If I were to believe you, life is one big blackpill and that's it. You used to give life motivation in your older videos like the motivational speeches, but now it seems such lives are only meant for certain people. Even if that's true, you should side that dark truth with practical advice for people undergoing inferiority.

If we were stuck in a salvia prison together, in the worst corner of infinity, being tortured by aliens, what hope could you give me, with all the spiritual knowledge you have right now, what hope could you give?

What is a wheelchaired person to do in his life? Is there any sense in doing good karma for the next life? Should he just kill himself?

now that is something serious for a spiritual leader to contemplate. Why are you keen on sharing blackpills, but when we ask for hope it is all fantasy and we have to figure it out ourselves? imo its an obvious flaw in your whole persona. Sorry to dish it out so harshly. 

This is literally the only dark thing about you imo. For the rest you are already extremely caring and christlike, like how much you care about that dudes dog etc. but when it comes to your truth dealing it is way too dark and you don't want to give us spiritual hope and a vision for redemption for humankind. I don't understand how you don't see that that blog post is the most offensive thing you have ever written. It could be true, but what makes it so offensive is that you don't side it with the things that could redeem such a dark reality, even if its at the other side of the universe and time. Radical darkness and survival needs radical light and hippieness to fight it, always. This leaving out and dropping such an absolutely cosmically atomic blackpill without any solution is so wrong and unspiritual. That is why I think you partly wrote that post with a gripe against the littlefolk and their inferiority.

 

 

 

 

 

Edited 9 hours ago by gengar

[gengar]

"these differences are not minor, they are massive."

What is your proof that the difference are massive and not minor? We all know there are genius and retarded outliers but to say the entire bell curve has massive differences does not follow out of this. What research have you done to know this?

[gengar]

The most important failure of that post is that you put up a premise, namely the blackpill nature of society and life, but don't resolve this premise with actions to conquer this, such as accumulating good karma or something. All religions and traditions respond to this premise, but you don't. When reading your post it gives zero reason to not either become a devil yourself or kill yourself since it's all so blackpilled anyway. The premise is not resolved by any means. Just giving the premise in such a callous way is dangerous to your audience, but most are half asleep so they probably don't care, but I for once recognize the cosmic significance of the ultimate darkly premise that you snuck in to your audience so sneakily, like shoving a candle in a passed out drunk girls p*****.

Sorry I have to be so harsh but it's literally the only way to level with your level of harshness and blackpilling and make an argument against it. 

Edited 9 hours ago by gengar

[Leo Gura]

1 hour ago, gengar said:

That is not at all the tone of how you had described it in your blog post.

I am not limited to any one tone or frame. The same truths can be framed in various ways for various purposes, to emphasize or teach various points.

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The worst part about it is how you described it as a justification of elite corruption and oppression of the weak.

You are conflating statements of how reality works and why it works as it works vs how it ought to be.

I framed it bluntly in that post on purpose, to counter the leftist compacency and fantasy about the way politics works. Politics is a very nasty business. When this is underestimated by stage Green, fascists win elections. That was the lesson.

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Now you're suddenly painting a picture of some utopia where the strong elites take care of the weak and therefore are in the elite position to run the society for the sake of goodness.

That is ideally how it would work, but we are very far from that.

Ideally the strong should help the weak. But in our lifetime the strong will exploit the weak. Stage Greens struggle to make sense of this because it is too real for their worldview to handle.

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This is a 180 from how the elites have used their position and gifts in the past and present. So much torture has been going on and you justify it by saying it is the reality of live. This giving in to the "reality of life" is absolutely despicable IMO.

It's just a description of how society functions.

I don't justify things, I explain they necessarily exist.

I can explain to you why horror is necessary, but you take things so personally that you cannot hear it.

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Is siding with the elites.

In today's populist climate I side with elites, yes. Not the oligraches or some of your demonizations of elites, but something more complex.

I do not buy into the hype and foolishness of populism. That does not mean I support corruption or whatever other demonizations you have invented.

You should note what your populism has wrought: the worst oligarchic corruption and President in US history.

If you consider Kamala Harris an "elite", yeah, I am cool with that. I will take Kamala over Musk+Trump+Zuck+Bannon+Nazis.

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Of course everyone knows that disabled and gifted people exist and that this is unfair. But you are justifying the current system of exploitation by calling all calls to change the system, fantasies, simply because the exploitative system has worked for so long.

The system can be changed but not in the ways populists want or expect.

It is very akin to the situation in Soviet Russia. I am saying that communism will fail, and you are saying I am evil because I am justifying the old system. But all I am saying is that communism will fail for x, y, z reasons.

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There is so much potential which when reading your post you do not recognize. You have to admit you are not thinking about such possibilities, true good for humanity, when writing such posts.

My post was a wake-up call from Green fantasy and bad sense-making.

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There is zero talk about a vision to lead the non elites towards truth.

That's what all my work is. But who has the stomach for it?

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Satan is gargantuan, but Love is Infinite.

There is no contradiction. There isn't a "but" there.

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Imagine a utopian that we can reach in a million years, lasting a billion.

Sure, great.

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That is radical truth and spirituality, and by leaving this out of your narrative, you are siding with the devil.

I have no obligation to frame things in how you want them framed in a particular post.

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It's extremely sneaky and unspiritual fo you to do this.

Nothing is unspiritual.

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Why can't you just drop your blackpills but also give a message of hope at the same time, even if it will take a million years?

Because I frame things in various ways to make various points.

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I can't believe you did not think of this but instead just drop a blackpill without any counter narrative of redemption

Yeah, well, life is like that sometimes.

There is no promise of a white pill for every black.

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What hope is there for a disabled person reading a post like that? Will he ever be elite or redeemed?

Some people got it bad in life. Then again, some disabled people could have other talents and strengths.

I am in a sense disabled by my health problems. So I will never run the world. And that is okay. Running the world is overrated anyway.

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because why is God putting people through being nonelite? What is the other side of the coin?

Why does God bomb Palestinian babies?

Life is rough and unfair.

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No hope or spiritual guidance from you, that we all have to figure out ourselves, if we ask it from you.

I have a large body of work. And more to come. It balances out on the whole, not per blog post.

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But for a hearty dose of blackpills you are happy to deal them out.

You don't know how much I restrained myself over the last year to not put out black pills because I knew people like you would hound me for it endlessly.

I have videos I didn't record because of people like you.

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It truly hurts me that you are like this, you are the most spiritual person on earth, having unearthed for many people the deepest guidance towards Shiva, yet about worldly life/Shakti give no hope.

That's not true. I give hope in many of my videos.

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If we were stuck in a salvia prison together, in the worst corner of infinity, being tortured by aliens, what hope could you give me, with all the spiritual knowledge you have right now, what hope could you give?

I don't want to be your crutch for hope.

I don't want to give your promises and guarantees that your life will end well. That is not in alignment with truth.

But I have a video on hope planned.

But why can't you generate your own hope? You got a vivid imagination. Just because Leo said populism is stupid you now have no hope?? That doesn't follow. There are ways beyond populism and things beyond politics.

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What is a wheelchaired person to do in his life? Is there any sense in doing good karma for the next life? Should he just kill himself?

That is hard to say. Many wheelchaired people live good lives, others do not. It all depends. Some rich and healthy elites suffer more than wheelchair people. I would not want to trade places with Trump even though he is healthier than I am.

There is sense in living as best as one can. How best your best is, is unknown.

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Why are you keen on sharing blackpills, but when we ask for hope it is all fantasy and we have to figure it out ourselves?

Balancing high vision with pragmatic reality is very tricky. I will make a video about that.

I have many powerful videos to come.

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This is literally the only dark thing about you imo.

Over the last two years I have been through hell and realized very serious things.

And in general, this is a most serious work. It requires a very sober, grounded approach.

My focus is not on how to frame things to not upset people. My focus is on avoiding human illusion. That is a deliberate priority I set in this work. It then has certain consequences.

Edited 8 hours ago by Leo Gura