Dr K on how Trump won the election

[Schizophonia]

Just now, Salvijus said:

@The Crocodile even if you're right, there's no reason to be so mean to others. 

He is a leftist.

Yin is empathetic and willing but mean and pervert, Yang is reliable and rationnal but stiff and brutal.

[Salvijus]

1 hour ago, Schizophonia said:

He is a leftist.

Yin is empathetic and willing but mean and pervert, Yang is reliable and rationnal but stiff and brutal.

I still like him. He's pretty cool person. 😎 

[Socrates]

13 hours ago, Emerald said:

And unfortunately, Dr. K just gave another victim narrative for these guys to cling onto that will further block them from turning inwards towards the real problem

Good point Emerald, that was the biggest issue with this approach of Dr K even in a psychological context in his attempt to include these guys he arms them with more victim narrative and doesn't encourage them (as a psychiatrist should) to find the reason they are so desperate for such a narrative.

@Leo GuraYou approach it strictly politically, in this context I understand dr K doesn't want to get political and wants to approach it from just a psychological perspective but he failed miserably at that as well. 

[The Crocodile]

1 hour ago, Schizophonia said:

He is a leftist.

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Yin is empathetic and willing but mean and pervert, Yang is reliable and rationnal but stiff and brutal.

You should have both of those.

There's nothing rational about voting for trump.

[Lyubov]

Keep in mind some of this just came down to practical chance and the health of the last guy. Imagine a mentally clear and energetic Biden in 2024? He stood toe to toe with Trump no problem in 2020. A lot of this came down to Biden just being old and going through a mental decline. He couldn’t campaign the same as Trump and the message fell flat. Kamala just looked weak. 

[Emerald]

2 hours ago, Socrates said:

Good point Emerald, that was the biggest issue with this approach of Dr K even in a psychological context in his attempt to include these guys he arms them with more victim narrative and doesn't encourage them (as a psychiatrist should) to find the reason they are so desperate for such a narrative.

@Leo GuraYou approach it strictly politically, in this context I understand dr K doesn't want to get political and wants to approach it from just a psychological perspective but he failed miserably at that as well. 

Yes, definitely. There are certainly some external factors that can influence things. But only insofar as they set off internal psychological factors that are more deep-seated.

For example, lots of people were bringing up inflation. And inflation is bound to create distress for people.

But if people aren't willing to face into the vulnerabilities that they feel about that inflation, they will go into the process of externalization and blame. And they will be susceptible to scapegoating narratives about blaming people of certain groups.

But if they're willing to face into the vulnerability, they will be less susceptible to that kind of propaganda. And they'll be more likely to think critically and realistically about these issues.

Intelligence is another factor, because many people have some limitations about how complex their understandings of politics can be. But I even suspect that lower levels of political intelligence alone doesn't necessarily make a person that much more susceptible to scapegoating propaganda. There would likewise need to be underlying psychological dynamics that would cause a resonance with that kind of propaganda.

So, it's really all about the emotions and facing into what's going on psychologically. And the lack of that can make someone susceptible to falling for victim narratives.

[Hardkill]

6 minutes ago, Emerald said:

Yes, definitely. There are certainly some external factors that can influence things. But only insofar as they set off internal psychological factors that are more deep-seated.

For example, lots of people were bringing up inflation. And inflation is bound to create distress for people.

But if people aren't willing to face into the vulnerabilities that they feel about that inflation, they will go into the process of externalization and blame. And they will be susceptible to scapegoating narratives about blaming people of certain groups.

But if they're willing to face into the vulnerability, they will be less susceptible to that kind of propaganda. And they'll be more likely to think critically and realistically about these issues.

Intelligence is another factor, because many people have some limitations about how complex their understandings of politics can be. But I even suspect that lower levels of political intelligence alone doesn't necessarily make a person that much more susceptible to scapegoating propaganda. There would likewise need to be underlying psychological dynamics that would cause a resonance with that kind of propaganda.

So, it's really all about the emotions and facing into what's going on psychologically. And the lack of that can make someone susceptible to falling for victim narratives.

That why Democratic strategists are seriously figuring out how to improve their messaging overall, particularly to these kinds of audiences who have been easily deceived by Trump and MAGA. 

Actually, as much as I believe Cenk and Ana are wrong for reaching out to these perverted right-wing fringe media commentators, they are right about the idea of needing to reach out to those voters out there who used to vote for Obama in 2008 and 2012, but then turned into Trump Supporters from 2016 to 2024. Many of those voters should be won back by the Democratic party. Otherwise, we may never win big elections ever again.

[Leo Gura]

1 hour ago, Emerald said:

But if people aren't willing to face into the vulnerabilities that they feel about that inflation

Haha!

This is politics, not therapy.

Know what game you're playing. It's like trying to play chess against a psychopath with a chainsaw.

Edited 18 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Hardkill]

19 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Haha!

This is politics, not therapy.

Know what game you're playing. It's like trying to play chess against a psychopath with a chainsaw.

Dan Pfieffer and the Pod Save America bros say that if the Left and Democratic party with a robust messaging machine that can combat the right-wing media machine and all of the misinformation out there then Democrats may very well lose again in 2028 and every other presidential election in the future. In fact, more and more Democratic strategists and commentators out there are realizing how much of a very serious problem this is. Nothing else will matter.

 

Edited 18 hours ago by Hardkill

[Raze]

The problem with saying it was men is that women also shifted right in voting this time 

[kray]

With regards to inflation and high prices, remember that economic hardship is the seed to fascism. Nazi and fascist politics was a direct consequence of the 1930s Great Depression. 

[Leo Gura]

19 minutes ago, kray said:

With regards to inflation and high prices, remember that economic hardship is the seed to fascism. Nazi and fascist politics was a direct consequence of the 1930s Great Depression. 

Good point.

Without hyper-inflation Hitler may have never been elected.

[Hardkill]

39 minutes ago, kray said:

With regards to inflation and high prices, remember that economic hardship is the seed to fascism. Nazi and fascist politics was a direct consequence of the 1930s Great Depression. 

19 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Good point.

Without hyper-inflation Hitler may have never been elected.

Yeah, the German people were clearly so extremely desperate because of how dire their economic crisis was by the 1930s that they felt like they had absolutely no choice but to let a mad fascist dictator run their country and have him do whatever it took for their country to survive.

However, if it wasn't for the Treaty of Versailles then I think that the German people never would've resorted to fascism and never would've allowed someone like Hilter to rise to power.

Edited 16 hours ago by Hardkill

[kray]

6 minutes ago, Hardkill said:

Yeah, the German people were clearly so extremely desperate because of how dire their economic crisis was by the 1930s that they felt like they had absolutely no choice but to let a mad fascist dictator run their country and have him do whatever it took for their country to survive.

However, if it wasn't for the Treaty of Versailles then I think that the German people never would've resorted to fascism and never would've allowed someone like Hilter to rise to power.

And it was easy to scapegoat the Jews. The idea that Jews control Wall Street and the banks had already been a mainstream idea in most of the western world at that point. Hitler basically took that, merged it with the economic suffering of the German people and made it seem that “hey the Jews are the cause of your suffering”

[Leo Gura]

3 minutes ago, kray said:

Hitler basically took that, merged it with the economic suffering of the German people and made it seem that “hey the Jews are the cause of your suffering”

Hitler didn't invent that. He himself was radicalized with anti-Jew propaganda while living homeless on the streets in his youth. He was a megaphone for the scapegoaty ideology of his era. He was like a teen who hangs out on 4chan all day, then gets elected to office.

Edited 16 hours ago by Leo Gura

[The Crocodile]

@Leo Gura He was also groomed by an occultist named Dietrich Eckhart and inducted into a secret society that taught him how to do seances, and he received guidance from an entity.

Read these two things:

https://incarnateword.in/other-authors/georges-van-vrekhem/beyond-man-the-life-and-work-of-sri-aurobindo-and-the-mother/chapter-sixteen-the-lord-of-the-nations

https://auromaa.org/john-kellys-encounter-with-sri-aurobindo-and-the-mother-during-world-war-ii/

You might dismiss it as BS but I know better bro

[Lyubov]

29 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Good point.

Without hyper-inflation Hitler may have never been elected.

Basically any challenges in life, where people resort to scarcity / separation based beliefs will lead to a snowball effect of bias, violent government and ethnic warfare. The thing is we as a specious got to mature and learn to solve challenges in different ways instead of resorting to blaming others. Without hyper inflation is akin to saying "what if the world didn't have challenges and every person and country was guaranteed perfect health, food and shelter." But in reality that isn't the case. So many things are changing and moving. Hitler may actually have never been elected if Germany was prospering at that time but the same belief system and lack of maturity across our species would have cropped up the moment another challenge came along. We basically are being tested now by how far we have come since then and some of us are wanting to resort back to the lower self to solve the issues in the world.

[kray]

19 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Hitler didn't invent that. He himself was radicalized with anti-Jew propaganda while living homeless on the streets in his youth. He was a megaphone for the scapegoaty ideology of his era. He was like a teen who hangs out on 4chan all day, then gets elected to office.

Yea, his ideas on Jews and race in general were pretty mainstream among the European and American elite at the time. Him saying that Northern Europeans were superior was not shocking for the times, in fact it was common knowledge among everyone then

[kray]

2 minutes ago, kray said:

Yea, his ideas on Jews and race in general were pretty mainstream among the European and American elite at the time. Him saying that Northern Europeans were superior was not shocking for the times, in fact it was common knowledge among everyone then

Nordicism really took on in the United States even before Hitler rise, our immigration policies during the 1920s reflects that attitude. President Calvin Coolidge himself followed the racial eugenics pushed by Madison grant, and created policies based on these pseudoscientific ideas.

[Emerald]

3 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Haha!

This is politics, not therapy.

Know what game you're playing. It's like trying to play chess against a psychopath with a chainsaw.

It seems to me that it is you who doesn't know which game you're playing.

80%+ of people's political behaviors are purely emotional and psychological.

Edited 15 hours ago by Emerald