Money: Stage Green Shadow

[ryoko]

I have been noticing some very strong Stage Green Shadow, well, funny thing, I wasn't aware of it till recently. Perhaps, it's my mellow lifestyle, I live close to the equator as well.

Here's something which I entertained very much; Jacques Fresco's ideas on World without Money, I have entertained it without putting in the effort to understand it structurally, from a meta perspective. Also been using the concepts in "Social Matrix: Society is a Mass Hallucination" to paralyze myself. And it's been a success .

Jokes aside, I'm looking for ways to develop my Stage Yellow, and I find it extremely "tricky" to get a grounding on my Yellow qualities on the social side of things; everything related to the social matrix, including money. It's not so much that I don't know what to do. It's more of I am pulled back constantly by the shadows; old habits, worldviews, unconscious beliefs, and people, most of which I've managed to "see" successfully.

I'm 22. Right now I have the means to work on myself, to build a life purpose which isn't Orange. Approaching the social matrix and achieving financial freedom as a stage yellow is so damn demanding and difficult. I can see that much. Stage Orange ways of making money disgusts me, I have not yet grown to really see Stage Orange as "inefficient". Infact, stage yellow on a stage orange society feels like a war, the fact that I have to create value in epic magnitudes has been one of the first realizations. It is daunting. haha

Edited Saturday at 10:00 AM by ryoko

[Rafael Thundercat]

Check this perspective

https://metamoderna.org/hackers-hipsters-hippies/

And this one too: 

https://metamoderna.org/why-are-so-many-metamodernists-so-miserable-and-what-can-we-do-about-it/

And tell me if clarified something

 

[ryoko]

4 hours ago, Rafael Thundercat said:

Check this perspective

https://metamoderna.org/hackers-hipsters-hippies/

And this one too: 

https://metamoderna.org/why-are-so-many-metamodernists-so-miserable-and-what-can-we-do-about-it/

And tell me if clarified something

 

There's good breadth to it. Thanks for the share.

[aurum]

9 hours ago, ryoko said:

I'm 22

Way too young for Yellow. There's essentially zero chance you've reached that high of a level of development.

Get a solid grip on the lower stages if you really want to move into Yellow.

[ryoko]

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..The thing is that it’s not just resentment towards a life-style the original inhabitants can’t afford, as is often the case when a neighborhood is gentrified by wealthier newcomers, it’s not only economic capital that causes feelings of inferiority, no, the animosity that can be felt in cities such as Malmö and Berlin stems from the circumstance that the new people have higher amounts of cultural capital. It’s a vague and often unconscious feeling of inadequacy, rarely articulated as cultural inferiority, but rather as annoyance with the newcomers’ perceived pretentiousness, self-importance and showing off, that causes what I would claim constitutes a new kind of class hate...

source: https://metamoderna.org/why-are-so-many-metamodernists-so-miserable-and-what-can-we-do-about-it/

@Rafael Thundercat
So, I get the feeling that most of the resistance I'm facing is more of a cultural clash.

And that combined with my own resentment towards the corruptions and compromises which happens within the same demographics. Just notice what you feel when hearing "Microsoft" or "Apple" or simply "Tech Companies". I see compromised innovations, lost potential, or perverted values. I kinda sympathize with them too, because they are sadly in a stage Orange Society. Remember this is me looking at these through the lens of "GNU/Linux" and Open Source values. Infact these days even the Linux ecosystem is getting corrupted by govt funding, banning Russians and other shenanigans.

Edited Saturday at 08:21 PM by ryoko

[ryoko]

6 minutes ago, aurum said:

Way too young for Yellow. There's essentially zero chance you've reached that high of a level of development.

Get a solid grip on the lower stages if you really want to move into Yellow.

Did you spend your time navigating stage Purple?

[aurum]

27 minutes ago, ryoko said:

Did you spend your time navigating stage Purple?

Most modern people move through Purple at a young age. You may not even remember it, depending on the culture you were born into.

[Rafael Thundercat]

20 hours ago, ryoko said:

source: https://metamoderna.org/why-are-so-many-metamodernists-so-miserable-and-what-can-we-do-about-it/

@Rafael Thundercat
So, I get the feeling that most of the resistance I'm facing is more of a cultural clash.

And that combined with my own resentment towards the corruptions and compromises which happens within the same demographics. Just notice what you feel when hearing "Microsoft" or "Apple" or simply "Tech Companies". I see compromised innovations, lost potential, or perverted values. I kinda sympathize with them too, because they are sadly in a stage Orange Society. Remember this is me looking at these through the lens of "GNU/Linux" and Open Source values. Infact these days even the Linux ecosystem is getting corrupted by govt funding, banning Russians and other shenanigans.

Nice that the links offered some clarity and new nuance inputs. For me I see this Gentrification where I live. i live in a Tourist Destination and the Real State market is dominated with North Europe buyers making the cost of Living high to many locals. Of course one can take advantage and earn upon this,but still the local culture is slowly shifting to accomodate more of the Foreing than to the local. We see this happening in many places and is a natural phenomena of change. But there still consequences on socioeconomics. 

[ryoko]

On 26/1/2025 at 1:24 AM, aurum said:

Way too young for Yellow.

It's a lot more complicated than that. 22 is just fine to be yellow, or turquoise. Imagine what humans will be like from a 10,000 years from now. Don't limit yourself.

[ryoko]

BTW, ever stopped to question the structure of Spiral Dynamics?
Don't you think it's extremely biased and reeks of stage Orange influence?

It's not a co-incidence. Spiral Dynamics is made to account for Systems in the society, not individuals. We risk so much inaccuracy trying to set SD as the only developmental path for "individuals" in the society. Plus, it's born in a stage Orange society. I bet if a stage Green-Yellow society created this, and let's assume, Orange never existed to begin with, SD would have different biases, and even more nuanced self perpetuating levels. And SD as it stands, have accounted the patterns it have noticed in human society, with our very peculiar set of environment variables; we are on earth, we are evolved monkeys, not crocodiles or bats, and so many things. They haven't even accounted for the aliens.

My point being, don't take this construct seriously. SD is just one paradigm, don't get locked into it. We're animals. We'd do anything to survive. It's interesting how self deception have become a vital part of this process.

Edited Monday at 03:26 PM by ryoko

[aurum]

1 hour ago, ryoko said:

It's a lot more complicated than that. 22 is just fine to be yellow, or turquoise. Imagine what humans will be like from a 10,000 years from now. Don't limit yourself.

You are not 10,000 years in the future. You are here now.

And the reality of “now” is that achieving Tier 2 development by that age is essentially impossible. The vast majority of humans will never achieve it at all. Development just takes time, like an egg hatching.

Your prefrontal cortex physically is not even fully mature until 25.

If you found Leo’s content in your twenties or earlier, a good goal might be to shoot for Tier 2 by your 30s.

Be careful of getting ahead of yourself.

[ryoko]

@aurum I don't agree with you.

Everything is here now.

Reaching turquoise by 22 is entirely possible if it's your priority.

I'm not claiming the work gets done at 22, not at all. Stage Turquoise is just a starting point. Many more levels to unlock, and much energy is needed to integrate stuff. The work just begun.

Careful not to create self imposed limitations, based on imaginary maps like Spiral Dynamics.

P. S - I've been extremely lucky too. Not gonna deny that. Its hard to explain. I can't express how grateful I am. Plus, there's a huge price to pay no matter how lucky you are and no shortcuts. To me it absolutely doesn't matter whether you reach it at 20 or 90. That's why I chose 20.

 

Edited Monday at 07:36 PM by ryoko

[aurum]

11 minutes ago, ryoko said:

@aurum I don't agree with you.

Everything is here now.

Reaching turquoise by 22 is entirely possible if it's your priority.

I'm not claiming the work gets done at 22, not at all. Stage Turquoise is just a starting point. Many more levels to unlock, and much energy is needed to integrate stuff. The work just begun.

Careful not to create self imposed limitations, based on imaginary maps like Spiral Dynamics.

 

If everything is here now, then where are the wrinkles in your skin from old age?

And how come it has took humans thousands of years for these stages to even emerge?

It’s not as simple as prioritizing it, because the reality is that your mind will limit you. You only have so much control of this process.

Anyone here should be so lucky to reach Turquoise. This is like a superhuman feat. I don’t sense that you appreciate the magnitude of what these higher stages of development require. You think I’m imposing these artificial limitations on you, but that’s not what is happening. Reality has limits.

[ryoko]

1 hour ago, aurum said:

You think I’m imposing these artificial limitations on you

I'm just looking out for the kids in this forum.

1 hour ago, aurum said:

I don’t sense that you appreciate the magnitude of what these higher stages of development require.

Good joke.

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I want to add something.

Everyone, no matter where you are in life, what your current priorities are, don't feel bad about your current level of development. I don't want my previous posts to instil any sense of fomo or urgency. No stage is higher or lower than your current one. It might not make sense at the moment, but I hope my intent is clear.

Edited Monday at 08:00 PM by ryoko