What will be Biden's legacy?

[Hardkill]

Although Professor Lichtman incorrectly predicted the 2024 election, he provided valuable insights as a US historian on how President Biden will likely be remembered and his lasting impact on the country:

 

[Sempiternity]

Honestly, I think he will be remembered as the last President before the dictatorship (that could last for many generations, if we survive that long), and that he could have done something (remember the president having complete immunity to do anything they want started under his term, so he could have stopped Trump and put him in jail), but chose to willingly turn over the country to MAGA/Christian lunatics/Oligarchy/Greedy monsters that will destroy the country and maybe the world. I'm being 100% serious, I think this is what he will be remembered for. He will be forever tied to giving Trump the keys to the world and with those keys he will do so much damage there may be no coming back from it. Thanks Biden for playing by the rules, in a war that has no more rules.

[Basman]

Being sleepy and old? People have such surface level interest in politics. Like what is Obama's legacy? Being black, Obamacare and drone striking a bunch.

[Stovo]

Trump is a far more important figure in terms of his impact on the country so Biden will be remembered in the context of Trump. 

Biden is the guy who served between Trump's 2 terms. 

[Breakingthewall]

biden is the guy who planned the war in europe and the deaths of hundreds of thousands of young people for money and power. nice grandfather, and sweet grandmother victoria nuland. 

Maybe trump is going to be worse, but it's not easy 

[kray]

9 hours ago, Hardkill said:

Although Professor Lichtman incorrectly predicted the 2024 election, he provided valuable insights as a US historian on how President Biden will likely be remembered and his lasting impact on the country:

 

Senile old man whose petty ego got in the way of the safety and sanity of American democracy. If he had let someone else run from the beginning, the Democratic Party would have had more time and leverage to identify and attack republican policies. But no, instead this stubborn man decided to run with the clear sign that he is not doing well, and completely shat himself during all the presidential debates.

[Hardkill]

I get how angry some of you guys are about Biden for trying to run for re-election. Tragically, he is and will continue to be blamed for paving the way for Trump's return to power. 

Obviously, a big part of why Biden wanted to run for re-election was because of his ego.

However, I don't think that Biden was being extremely selfish firmly believed that it was because Biden really thought that he was the country's best shot of defeating Trumpism once and for all given that he was the only person ever who ever defeated Trump before.

I really thought that he could've defeated Trump had his party united behind him. He was the incumbent president and incumbency advantage and if you look at historical precedent incumbency has always been a tremendous advantage, especially for the POTUS.

Also, the rest of Democratic leadership including Pelosi, Schumer, Jeffries, etc. should accept their real share of the responsibility for their party's loss in 2024. They too are also at fault for ruining it all.

In any case, what about how extraordinarily well he governed the country as president?

Edited Friday at 06:31 PM by Hardkill

[Breakingthewall]

Biden and his administration are monsters of the worst kind, far worse than Hitler. Hitler was fighting for a psychotic dream of a great Germany that he feels in danger, and he was sacrificing lives for it. Biden and his administration are sacrificing lives for business, for profit. They have planned the war in Ukraine only for profit. They will go down in history as monsters, you will see. You are blind if you don't see it.

And Blinken, the vampire, asking for youngers lifes to send to death to make business, weaken Russia, bullying the world just for being more rich when are the richest. But of course, lifes of foreign people that they drive as puppets taking advantage of their stupidity . Demons.

 

Edited yesterday at 12:04 AM by Breakingthewall

[aurum]

26 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Biden and his administration are monsters of the worst kind, far worse than Hitler. Hitler was fighting for a psychotic dream of a great Germany that he feels in danger, and he was sacrificing lives for it. Biden and his administration are sacrificing lives for business, for profit. They have planned the war in Ukraine only for profit. They will go down in history as monsters, you will see. You are blind if you don't see it.

And Blinken, the vampire, asking for youngers lifes to send to death to make business, weaken Russia, bullying the world just for being more rich when are the richest. But of course, lifes of foreign people that they drive as puppets taking advantage of their stupidity . Demons.

You okay bro?

[Breakingthewall]

43 minutes ago, aurum said:

You okay bro?

You will see, the world is going to awake to this, and it will be the end of United States as the beacon of the world, the United States reveals itself as a monster made of greed ruled by demons. I guess that for you is normal and of course understandable that Obama bombed lybia because gadafi moves towards china. Yes of course, then why not to throw gasoline in the fire of Ukraine to make business and weaken Russia and China? Too far this time. 

Edited yesterday at 01:13 AM by Breakingthewall

[Breakingthewall]

The dear old man started his work in Ukraine when he was Vice President of Saint Obama, the kind-hearted destroyer of Libya for... well, for the good, as always. Biden, with his partner Victoria Nuland fuck the eu promoted the Euro Maidan and heated up the situation. After 8 years of Ukrainian bombings of the Russian population in the Dombass, when the US is going into recession, it announces that Ukraine will enter NATO. At last Russia's fanatic enemies will have access to atomic arsenal on the border with Russia. The obvious inevitable Russian invasion occurs, and the US destroys the Nord Stream and forces Germany to buy American liquefied gas. As an extra fact, the adorable son addicted to crack and whores was a director of the largest gas company in Ukraine, burisma, just a curiosity. 

Results 1, EEUU grows 4%, Germany forced to buy american liquefied gas, enters recession.

result 2, russian war machine is put into motion, hibernating munitions factories are reactivated, war rhetoric finds acceptance in russia. we will see when the lukewarm putin is replaced by someone more ardent. russia is now a nuclear power activated for total war, enormously poorer than its weaker adversaries... bad combination

They have unleashed the seeds of destruction with their horrible greed and selfishness. They have awakened a monster. The horrible American vampires can now buy their biggest yachts ever, but the butterfly effect is underway, and a change is coming, and it will be very fun to watch. Who wants to die in a hospital? What a shit. Much better a dance of chaos, really. Interesting!

Then, this is the legacy of the adorable grandparent Biden 

[Breakingthewall]

another part of biden's legacy is the treacherous withdrawal from afghanistan, in a hurry, giving the country to the taliban, and without giving asylum to the afghans who collaborated with the us.

[Hardkill]

6 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

another part of biden's legacy is the treacherous withdrawal from afghanistan, in a hurry, giving the country to the taliban, and without giving asylum to the afghans who collaborated with the us.

Dude, almost nobody in the US cares about Afghanistan anymore. People were so sick and tired of it. 

Also, the people of Afghanistan made it clear enough that they wanted the Taliban to rule the country because that's the kind of regime they believe in. I used to worry about those people's rights and freedom being taken away from them, but I eventually learned that the people in that country did not want westernized democracy because their culture is far too underdeveloped for it. They want authoritarian governance, especially in the way of Islamic fundamentalism. 

Plus, Biden was the first president in decades to not start any new wars or preside over wars with US boots on the ground, he still faced criticism.

To put this into perspective, let's look at the conflicts during the presidencies of his predecessors:

• George W. Bush: Initiated the War in Afghanistan (2001) and the Iraq War (2003).
• Barack Obama: Continued the War in Afghanistan and initiated military interventions in Libya (2011) and Syria (2014). 
• Donald Trump: Continued the War in Afghanistan and initiated airstrikes in Syria (2017) and Iraq (2020).

Moreover, his planning of uniting NATO and Ukraine against Russia was so brilliant and so successful that it has been widely regarded by experts as being one of the greatest foreign/military triumphs by the US in the history of the country. Besides the defeat of the Soviet Union and the ending of the Cold War under Reagan/HW Bush during the late 80s to early 90s, the prevention of Putin and Russia from taking over much of Ukraine will go down as arguably the greatest success America has ever had since the end of WWII under FDR/Truman.

Edited 7 hours ago by Hardkill

[Breakingthewall]

6 minutes ago, Hardkill said:

Plus, Despite these casualties, the number of US soldier deaths under Biden is significantly lower

Yes, Biden sent ucranian soldiers to death, not Americans, just for business. 

 

7 minutes ago, Hardkill said:

Dude, almost nobody in the US cares about Afghanistan anymore.

Just because nobody cares doesn't mean that if you've conquered a country and forged alliances, you should abandon it just like that. So why are you conquering it? To do something? American politics is fickle, capricious and very treacherous. 

When they see a potential conflict from which they can gain some benefit, such as Ukraine, they pour gasoline to fan the flames and gain benefit. Perhaps we will reach a stage in humanity where we will not be so miserable?

[Breakingthewall]

20 minutes ago, Hardkill said:

Moreover, his planning of uniting NATO and Ukraine against Russia was so brilliant and so successful that it has been widely regarded by experts as being one of the greatest foreign/military triumphs by the US in the history of the country

Are you crazy? It's incredible reading this. What is brilliant? Provoking million of deaths? Awaking the Russian war machinery? What are you talking about? Russia is going to conquer Ukraine, that's destroyed. without the horrible plan of Biden Russia would be contented with controlling the Ukrainian government. Oh, so horrible that in the government is a puppet of Russia, only EEUU has the right of having puppets, then let's destroy another country 

You don't imagine the potential consequences of this evil plan. 

Edited 6 hours ago by Breakingthewall

[Hardkill]

15 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Yes, Biden sent ucranian soldiers to death, not Americans, just for business. 

 

Just because nobody cares doesn't mean that if you've conquered a country and forged alliances, you should abandon it just like that. So why are you conquering it? To do something? American politics is fickle, capricious and very treacherous. 

When they see a potential conflict from which they can gain some benefit, such as Ukraine, they pour gasoline to fan the flames and gain benefit. Perhaps we will reach a stage in humanity where we will not be so miserable?

Here's what Leo said about Afghanistan: 

 

On 8/14/2021 at 5:49 AM, Leo Gura said:

You guys have to sort yourselves out and grow up. What else is there to say? There is no shortcut to growing up. It's a laborious and hairy process. Everyone is hoping for some magic pill that will leapfrog the Middle East to Europe's level of development but that cannot happen. You gotta earn it. You can't buy development by throwing money at it.

The Taliban takes over because they actually suit the level of development of the Afghan people. The West cannot fathom this through their thick skulls.

Developed folk like you may want Afghanistan to be like the West, but the truth is that most Afghans don't want that. That is not a valid way of survival for them. And so ironically it is anti-democractic to wish for Afghanistan to be a Western style democracy. Afghanistan is suitable for a theocracy. And all these limits and evils of a medieval theocracy will come with that.

On 8/25/2021 at 5:58 PM, Leo Gura said:

My point is not even about empathy. I don't really care about the Taliban. My point is: no other system will survive in that environment.

To expect women's rights in Afghanistan in this century is like expecting cavemen to fly to the moon. You can cry about it all you want, but you're just not understanding the developmental situation.

 

If you blame Biden for Ukraine, then you would've blamed Trump for it too if it happened under his watch. In fact, Trump would've let Putin take all of Ukraine just because he's been in bed with Putin. 

The military-industrial complex and the rest of the deep state are primarily to be blamed for pushing the US and NATO to provoke Russia into attacking Ukraine. Obama and every other Democratic president before him would've done very much the same thing as Biden did. The Bushes and Reagan would've been way more hawkish on this matter if it happened during either of their presidencies. We have no idea how much influence these powerful lobbies have on even the President of the United States.

On 3/6/2022 at 7:02 PM, Leo Gura said:

All these American leaders are on board with advancing US hegemony around the world. And if they weren't they would be seen as traitorous, as Trump was seen when he kissed Putin's ass.

You have to understand that US geopolitical strategy is not dictated by any one man. It comes from a very deep collective survival and group-think which permeates the entire US government and military defense complex. They are not even aware they are doing it. The American public votes for leaders who advance US hegemony because it aligns with American high standard of living.

The US is advancing its interests. As is Russia, and every other country.

On 3/6/2022 at 7:09 PM, Leo Gura said:

1) They have to get elected first. Sanders didn't get elected. Part of the reason why is because he's not as pro-American as many Americans would want. Many Americans want to vote for an "America first" president. Most Americans aren't conscious or selfless enough to care about "true global equality."

2) Obama admits in his exit interview when he left office that his agenda was overpowered by the Washington military industrial complex agenda. He ended up following them, rather than them following him. The tail is wagging the dog. The US President is not a dictator. The deep state will push a President towards US global hegemony even if he doesn't want it.

3) Even if someone like Sanders wants world peace, he will still have pro-American biases and a pro-American worldview. You have to appreciate how deep our biases run. They are hard to become conscious of. Is Sanders really able to see Russia's security agenda? I doubt it.

Edited 6 hours ago by Hardkill

[Breakingthewall]

@Hardkill sure, Being an American patriot means everything to me, nothing to others. I am the strong one in the yard, the bully who beats everyone and steals their resources. Well, it's over, the US doesn't dare to go against Russia. It has unleashed a war machine that doesn't care about the dead and has awakened a warrior culture that glorifies the military, since it is its only chance to avoid falling into misery.

The US sends Ukrainians to die from their comfortable homes, but their plan is absolutely stupid. It doesn't have the necessary force for a real war, only to crush cockroaches like Gaddafi or Saddam, now the US hegemony is over, it's over, it's not the strongest country anymore. You say that Trump would kiss Putin's ass with Ukraine. Ukraine is the Russian sphere, forget Ukraine, forget Taiwan. Enough already American clowns, the world is not yours. The Russians and the Chinese are going to eat you, don't leave your borders because you make a fool of yourself everywhere.

[Breakingthewall]

Btw, the Biden and Nuland plans include fuck the UE, and they did. That's patriotic right? Fuck everyone to make business and have a lot of yatchs and cars. 

Americans, the other countries aren't your enemies, you are the enemy of the other countries . In the past you were a shield against tyranny, but now you become tyrants 

 

Edited 6 hours ago by Breakingthewall

[Karmadhi]

I am afraid to say that Gaza's brutal war has really tarnished his administration.

 

[Hardkill]

So, then how would you guys compare him to previous US presidents?