Modern slavery question

[MoonLanding]

On 1/22/2025 at 5:04 PM, Buck Edwards said:

Why doesn't the debate stop at —

Yes, West corps do outsource the dirty work to the 3rd world, but that's only possible because the 3rd world is behind in development and doesn't have things like labor protections and environemntal protections which only exist at higher levels of development. So the West is exploiting the situation, for sure. 

 

Yes true

[PurpleTree]

7 hours ago, MoonLanding said:

Yes I see your point on earlier conversation thread but still, don't say Africa sucks @Leo Gura

I want to travel to some African countries in the foreseeable future. But it’s a bit overwhelming because it’s so big. Heard good things about Senegal, Kenia, Capetown, Namibia etc.  Only been to Egypt.

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On 22/1/2025 at 7:51 PM, Leo Gura said:

 using 1st world technology,

"1st world" technology is not yours it is built upon the suffering and slavement of other people which at least make that technology also their own by some extent and that's what I want you to consider. Being on top of the domination system doesn't make you more developed you are just better at violence and that's just animal behavior devoid of any higher values proper of developed human beings. It seems to me that development is not something that is proper to one group or the other but an emcompassing concept that should be measured as a whole. Hierarchical distinctions are just ego driven and don't let us see the interconectedness of the development of human beings because we are all in this together.

 

 

[Twentyfirst]

So if all power is equally violent and brutal across the board no matter who wields it why are you guys scared of Chinese or Russian power? Or even scared of Trump over Harris? 

[Leo Gura]

20 minutes ago, Twentyfirst said:

So if all power is equally violent and brutal across the board no matter who wields it...

It's not equal. It's a function of development level.

If a psychopath religious barbarian wields nuclear weapons we are very worried. If Biden or Kamala does, we don't worry.

The lower the worldview the more violent.

Don't give a box of hand grenades to a chimpanzee.

Edited January 24 by Leo Gura

[Twentyfirst]

Another perfect example of a Western brainwashed old fart. A seemingly intelligent person whose "logic" goes in circles and projects projects projects without any real proof other than the superiorty delusions in her own mind. Female Jordan Peterson

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5 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

The lower the worldview the more violent.

Don't give a box of hand grenades to a chimpanzee.

 

 

many chimpanzees around believing they are developed as fuck, we should start a mega thread with examples of monkeys running amok

Edited January 25 by aste

[TheEnigma]

On 1/23/2025 at 10:05 PM, Leo Gura said:

@Ero If you wanna outsmart me you gotta think more outside the box

What box?

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I´ve been watching some of this guy speeches and oh lord how accurate he describes the main point of these topic.

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Now Leo have posted a new index (this time with freedom of press) confirming his bias of development and saying that the maps superpose and show the same result.

 

Press freedom? how about creating a map in which you can see when and where the US have destroyed free speech and expresion in the global south whenever their people, political expressions and opinions are not aligned with its interests. It's not that hard to see that they have destabilized entire countries that don't line up with them by corrupting their governments with money or economical blackmail and killing everyone who oposses to that. That would be an amazing map to contemplate ...

 

You can also add maps showing the locations of US military bases around the world and another showing the wars that they have promoted since the ending of WWII and see how they overlap, you might find some interesting patterns related to your press freedom.

 

And what about adding to our comparison all the places where European countries and the USA have extracted resources relentlessly (since the 1600s) to create their technology (for instance all the rubber that they plunder like barbarians from the amazon to build their cars and roads, just for starters)

 

It will be interesting to compare all your maps and graphics and ask why all those countries are "underdeveloped" and how the USA and Europeans have played their part in all this.

 

Nothing new under the sun, western people are so deluded that they love to play blind despite the overwhelming evidence of their barbaric ways.

 

The funny thing is that even in their own country they are repressed every time they want to protest. What happened to all the students peacefully protesting againts the war on gaza? do you call that freedom? 

 

Not to mention that all their opinions and culture is not organic but shaped  and engineered by social media owners and sponsors and you call that advanced and developed press, ridiculous!

 

In summary I think you have to start studying maps outside the your box of delusion so you can have a better assesment of your "civilization"

and development.

 

[Bobby_2021]

On 1/23/2025 at 6:34 AM, Whitney Edwards said:

Why doesn't the debate stop at —

Yes, West corps do outsource the dirty work to the 3rd world, but that's only possible because the 3rd world is behind in development and doesn't have things like labor protections and environemntal protections which only exist at higher levels of development. So the West is exploiting the situation, for sure. 

I think people are missing the point of some values resulting in less slavery. 

If western values result in less slavery, then it is superior. But it does NOT result in less slavery. That is the point. It results in slavery across the globe. So western values are NOT superior. That is where the conversation stops. 

A new conversation is on WHY does western values use slavery from the rest of the world. 

Most people here are trying to explain why western values use slavery from the rest of the world. But that accepts that western values does need a ton of slavery. No one asked you to explain WHY.