Trump is officially president today

[Inliytened1]

14 minutes ago, Thought Art said:

Bet you 5 dollars you’re blind. 
 

Reports are coming out they are already questioning government employees on political affiliations and he just signed and executive agreement to stop hiring all government employees (excluding specifics) until his government has “control”.

A hiring freeze is nothing new.  Now if they fire someone who voted for Biden then yes I'd be concerned.  But that hasn't been shown yet.   I think that's another democratic smear campaign.  So yeah I'll bet you five dollars. 

 

[Bobby_2021]

I agree that things are about to get worse. Because that's the natural trajectory. Not because of Trump. Trump or anyone else for that matter has nothing to reverse the inevitable trends. 

Edited 8 hours ago by Bobby_2021

[JTL]

@Leo Gura care to give a little heads up? 

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

Things are going to get much worse than people comprehend. The shit has barely begun.

 

[Yimpa]

@JTL Right here:

https://www.actualized.org/insights/poltical-winter-in-amera

[Yimpa]

USA! USA! USA!

[Leo Gura]

I'm not a fortuneteller. I'm not going to predict the future for you.

The future is chaotic and full of uncertainties. But you should understand when a sandstorm is coming.

Edited 8 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Bobby_2021]

@Leo Gura slightly off topic but very important.

Why do you give a pass to America's military interventions, coups, and sanctions enacted aboard in various countries?

Sometimes it looks like you even justify and defend them, unlike the Israel Gaza situation.

If you don't condone them, then make it clear you do so.

Edited 7 hours ago by Bobby_2021

[Beans]

 

[Yimpa]

@Beans that is precisely how Trump wants us to respond. But panicking is not the long-term solution here. His actions will have consequences and will be legally challenged. We’ve survived much more challenging situations before. And we’ll do it again. 

[Inliytened1]

10 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

I'm not a fortuneteller. I'm not going to predict the future for you.

 

Stop there.  All else is tainted with bias

 

[Raze]

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-signs-executive-withdrawing-world-health-organization-2025-01-21/
 

Quote

Trump orders US exit from the World Health Organization

 

[Twentyfirst]

I have been saying it for a while. But get the gold chest before the ship hits the bottom of the ocean. Trump era means every man for himself. Don't walk away empty handed 

[Leo Gura]

21 minutes ago, Bobby_2021 said:

@Leo Gura slightly off topic but very important.

Why do you give a pass to America's military interventions, coups, and sanctions enacted aboard in various countries?

Sometimes it looks like you even justify and defend them, unlike the Israel Gaza situation.

If you don't condone them, then make it clear you do so.

I would love it if the US cut off and sanction Israel.

All coups are wrong of course.

Ukraine war I support.

Other wars I am against.

13 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

Stop there.  All else is tainted with bias

How convenient that you leave out half my message.

[Twentyfirst]

We need decay of empire memes! And the ushering of the golden age memes!

Edited 7 hours ago by Twentyfirst

[Bobby_2021]

35 minutes ago, Twentyfirst said:

We need decay of empire memes! And the ushering of the golden age memes!

This.

It would get significantly worse before it gets better. 

The collapse of an empire is ugly, nevertheless long overdue in my opinion. All empire are unsustainable, but the beneficiaries of it will act it it isn't. 

37 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

I would love it if the US cut off and sanction Israel.

You are totally right on this front.

37 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

All coups are wrong of course.

Ukraine war I support.

See here is where the subtle contradiction begins.

The Russo Ukrainian war started immediately after the CIA orchestrated coup of the Ukrainian government in 2013-14. Russian intelligence knew this coup and started annexing crimea.

You say coups are wrong, but support a war that is the direct consequence of a coup.

How do you square this?

[Leo Gura]

22 minutes ago, Bobby_2021 said:

You say coups are wrong, but support a war that is the direct consequence of a coup.

How do you square this?

Easily.

Ukraine and Russia have an old agreement that Russia will not violate Ukraine's internationally recognized borders.

Russian broke that agreement and commited a war crime.

Russia has also been trying to establish a puppet government in Ukraine for decades.

Russia is violating Ukrainian sovereignty. No CIA plan or whatever justifies that. Putin is also abusing his own population. So he has zero moral ground. As he ended fair elections in Russia he wants to do the same in Ukraine. Which is tyranny. He has no authority to dictate Ukraine and he should not be allowed to do so as long as Ukrainians are willing to fight for their nation. Zelensky is the fairly elected leader of Ukraine. He is not a puppet. He is popular and he defends his nation with honor and integrity.

Edited 6 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Buck Edwards]

@Leo Gura

The link reads as political winter in amera instead of america. Slight correction needed. 

https://www.actualized.org/insights/poltical-winter-in-amera

[Leo Gura]

15 minutes ago, Buck Edwards said:

@Leo Gura

The link reads as political winter in amera instead of america. Slight correction needed. 

https://www.actualized.org/insights/poltical-winter-in-amera

Thanks!

Fixed.

[PolyPeter]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

Easily.

Ukraine and Russia have an old agreement that Russia will not violate Ukraine's internationally recognized borders.

Russian broke that agreement and commited a war crime.

Russia has also been trying to establish a puppet government in Ukraine for decades.

Russia is violating Ukrainian sovereignty. No CIA plan or whatever justifies that. Putin is also abusing his own population. So he has zero moral ground. As he ended fair elections in Russia he wants to do the same in Ukraine. Which is tyranny. He has no authority to dictate Ukraine and he should not be allowed to do so as long as Ukrainians are willing to fight for their nation. Zelensky is the fairly elected leader of Ukraine. He is not a puppet. He is popular and he defends his nation with honor and integrity.

Hi! a newbie here,

I’ve spent countless hours since 2021 watching and contemplating Leo’s YouTube content, which has inspired me to gather the courage to engage here.

Reading through this discussion has deepened my understanding that the mainstream mindset of neutrality in situations of conflict often falls short. It’s not always appropriate to remain neutral when examining such events; instead, it’s crucial to take the time to thoroughly analyze the underlying causes and context of what’s happening.

The Russia-Ukraine conflict, this serves as a clear example where neutrality doesn’t suffice. It’s misguided to frame this war as simply the result of “two differing perspectives” or an inevitable clash of ideologies. The reality is much starker: Russia has committed war crimes, violated international agreements, and invaded a sovereign nation. Ukraine cannot and should not be treated as equally culpable in this scenario.

Furthermore, Vladimir Putin’s actions reflect not only a deep level of unconsciousness and greed but also a dangerous, shortsighted, and childish grasp of leadership. His behavior is the root cause of this tragedy. Given this, I firmly believe that other nations have a moral obligation to intervene on Ukraine’s behalf.

Moreover, countries that have openly supported Russia’s aggression—such as North Korea and Venezuela—should also face consequences for enabling such destructive behavior. Justice demands not only that we support Ukraine but also that we hold complicit nations accountable for perpetuating this injustice.

[Bobby_2021]

2 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Ukrainians are willing to fight for their nation

The point is that Ukrainians are NOT willing to fight for "their nation".

They are kidnapping people from the streets and sending them to the frontlines. It should be obvious that they are not willing to fight. Desertion is also sky high.

This is a war to advance western geopolitical interests and the people of Ukraine has nothing to do with it. You do realize that there are people on this form trying to escape forced conscription. 

2 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

As he ended fair elections in Russia he wants to do the same in Ukraine. Which is tyranny.

I highly doubt he wants to end fair elections in Ukraine. That's a stretch. He wants a friendly government in neutral Ukraine, mostly. 

Put this in context of the countless coups of democratic leaders the west has done. Including the one in Ukraine. Would that count as tyranny?What moral high ground does the west have here?

Consider this: The empire of west is undemocratic and tyrannical  as opposed to western values.

2 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Russia is violating Ukrainian sovereignty. No CIA plan or whatever justifies that

You are saying Ukrainian Sovereignty should be valued above Russian Security interests.

Although I disagree, because this is not characteristic how geopolitics works, at least there is no contradictions with this view. 

I believe security and safety is the primary interest of any state. And all other states should work together to ensure safety for all states. Safety is the actual foundation for Sovereignty. 

2 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Zelensky is the fairly elected leader of Ukraine. He is not a puppet. He is popular and he defends his nation with honor and integrity.

I agree that Zelenskyy was fairly elected. But the real question is if he is allowed to act with Sovereignty.

This war would have ended in April of 2022 when Zelenskyy offered neutrality in the talks held in Turkey. But Boris Johnson and his envoy told him to fight on and the peace talks were botched. 

And no he is not popular. And the corruption in his government is staggering. And his term is over too. But I don't blame him. He doesn't get to act with Sovereignty. He is not allowed to make decisions in the best interest of Ukraine.

If your Sovereignty is violated once, then it will send you on a chain of downward spiral of further corruption.

Edited 4 hours ago by Bobby_2021