A question about AI and theft

[Something Funny]

I've seen many people comment on how AI is theft because it is being trained on all the content created by people without paying them.

But isn't that exactly what people do as well? We watch videos, do courses, read books, blogs, etc. And then produce our own stuff based on all the information we've learned. 

Nobody is expecting you to pay royalties to all the book authors, whose books you've read, after you write your own book, right?

As long as the final result is different enough to not fall under the regular copyright / plagiarism laws, then what is the issue?

Edited yesterday at 12:39 PM by Something Funny

[numbersinarow]

Well it's not that simple, even if you argue that everything copies something else, the way that AI copies the material it's trained on is still much more direct than what humans do.

Plus you directly used the other person's work as your tool by putting it into the AI.

[Leo Gura]

Human minds do it too, but the difference is the insane scale and monopolization and rapacious greed of these AI companies. Their whole existence is based on data theft and recombination for profit. It's theft on a giga-factory scale.

Edited 16 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Vynce]

3 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Human minds do it too, but the difference is the insane scale and monopolization and rapacious greed of these AI companies. Their whole existence is based on data theft and recombination for profit. It's theft on a giga-factory scale.

But its also providing A LOT of value in return. Its not just pure theft. Its a conversion of values at least.

[Leo Gura]

3 minutes ago, Vynce said:

But its also providing A LOT of value in return. Its not just pure theft. Its a conversion of values at least.

It's a very ethically grey area. Hard to make sense of it.

My biggest problem with it is the shamelessly greedy and morally bankrupt people who run these companies and the insane monopolization they all seek, all under the fig leaf of bettering mankind.

Edited 16 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Vynce]

7 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

It's a very ethically grey area. Hard to make sense of it.

My biggest problem with it is the shamelessly greedy and morally bankrupt people who run these companies and the insane monopolization they all seek, all under the fig leaf of bettering mankind.

Of course its hard to find any area, which is not corrupted with greed and monopolization. But having a solid psychoanalytical talk with a chatbot, that used some random data scrap from the internet, is a pretty good conversion for me.

I mean that how value is created right. Nature provides the raw resources and we re-arrange and combine it depending on our needs. And AI uses a part of nature (data) that we can't really find a better purpose for.

[Something Funny]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

Human minds do it too, but the difference is the insane scale and monopolization and rapacious greed of these AI companies. Their whole existence is based on data theft and recombination for profit. It's theft on a giga-factory scale.

57 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

My biggest problem with it is the shamelessly greedy and morally bankrupt people who run these companies and the insane monopolization they all seek, all under the fig leaf of bettering mankind.

I totally agree with that point of view. 

Is there a world where you would be fine with the whole thing as long as companies would behave in a more conscious and ethical way? How would that look like in terms of actually running an AI company? Aside from external regulations.

 

46 minutes ago, Vynce said:

But having a solid psychoanalytical talk with a chatbot, that used some random data scrap from the internet, is a pretty good conversion for me.

Isn't that kind of sad and depressing? What's next? Are we going to have AI tell bed time stories to our children and generate love messages to our partners?

I can't imagine having AI replace my coach or making myself take talking to it seriously, like it's an actual real person. 

Please don't take this personally. I mean this as a general point not a judgement of you.