Who here has actually had a proper awakening?

[Princess Arabia]

17 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

You can’t know it unless you experience it

17 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

You can’t know it unless you experience it

55 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

 

I get this and I get all you're saying........BUT....Experience and knowing are illusions. They don't go hand in hand. What you experience you are one with, there's no separation between you and what you're experiencing. Take you away, there's no experience, you cannot experience it if you're not there. That's the whole thing you and your experiences are one. So, how can you know it. That puts you outside of the experience. You can't know it either - but only as an hallucination/dream/illusion/ or whatever the word is. Do you see how I'm deconstructing what you think is real, or maybe not. Break it down. Knowledge is separation, you cannot know anything because there's no actual separation. So saying "you can't know it unless you experience it" isn't actually accurate either but only within the realms of separation and there isn't any.

P.S. Please note that I'm not saying there's no apparent separation and that we don't live in separation as individuals because I do too. I will also say I know this experience and experience is key etc, but for the purpose of clarity (of which there's none either because there cannot be in wholeness), I'm trying to show you that it's all illusion you're experiencing and not actual. So youre right, I cannot know but neither can you.

This is why it's said reality is a dream. Reality is real, but how we experience it is dreamlike.

Edited 11 hours ago by Princess Arabia

[Sugarcoat]

3 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

I get this and I get all you're saying........BUT....Experience and knowing are illusions. They don't go hand in hand. What you experience you are one with, there's no separation between you and what you're experiencing. Take you away, there's no experience, you cannot experience it if you're not there. That's the whole thing you and your experiences are one. So, how can you know it. That puts you outside of the experience. You can't know it either - but only as an hallucination/dream/illusion/ or whatever the word is. Do you see how I'm deconstructing what you think is real, or maybe not. Break it down. Knowledge is separation, you cannot know anything because there's no actual separation, so saying you can't know it unless you experience it isn't actually accurate either but only within the realms of separation of which there's not actually any.

P.S. Please note that I'm not saying there's no apparent separation and that we don't live in separation as individuals because I do too. I will also say I know this experience and experience is key etc, but for the purpose of clarity (of which there's none either because there cannot be in wholeness), I'm trying to show you that it's all illusion you're experiencing and not actual. So youre right, I cannot know but neither can you.

I get all of that conceptually but it doesn’t shake this “sense of self” , I dont recognize it for real 

[Princess Arabia]

Just now, Sugarcoat said:

I get all of that conceptually but it doesn’t shake this “sense of self” , I dont recognize it for real 

Well, do you get conceptually that all you're saying is bullcrap, hehe, (humor there), and that your feelings are arising from a false sense of knowing and to not take it personally and to laugh about it and no need to write posts about it and no need to whither in self-pity and self- doubt and self-whatever and that if you do, it's madness, insanity, neurosis and that that's all OK because that's the only way reality can exist for you and your neurotic self and that you really don't want freedom/awakening/enlightenment/liberation because all that would kill you as the person you think you are. 

[Sugarcoat]

2 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

Well, do you get conceptually that all you're saying is bullcrap, hehe, (humor there), and that your feelings are arising from a false sense of knowing and to not take it personally and to laugh about it and no need to write posts about it and no need to whither in self-pity and self- doubt and self-whatever and that if you do, it's madness, insanity, neurosis and that that's all OK because that's the only way reality can exist for you and your neurotic self and that you really don't want freedom/awakening/enlightenment/liberation because all that would kill you as the person you think you are. 

If “I” awoke then there wouldn’t be a me there to “not want” it. So it would be all good

[Princess Arabia]

9 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

If “I” awoke then there wouldn’t be a me there to “not want” it. So it would be all good

There's no one to awaken, because who would know they're awaken. That "me" right. So, that me would still be present to know it's awakened. DON'T YOU SEE THE TRICK. Can't you see through the shit. It's a scam. Existential scam like how Trump is a scam, lol. The "me" invented awakening and enlightenment to try to kill or dissolve itself and everybody fell for it. THERE'S NO ONE TO AWAKEN. It's like me waking your body up from sleep and telling you there's no body there. It's laughable. Not a popular message, but laughable. Don't care what anybody says. Anybody that says any different, ask them how the hell they know they're enlightened. Answer: The illusory "me" told them. Awakening is a bit different as one can awaken to what I'm saying but there's still a "me" there unless it has truly fallen away and recognizes it was never there to begin with and so no one really awakened.

Edited 11 hours ago by Princess Arabia

[Sugarcoat]

1 minute ago, Princess Arabia said:

There's no one to awaken, because who would know they're awaken. That "me" right. So, that me would still be present to know it's awakened. DON'T YOU SEE THE TRICK. Can't you see through the shit. It's a scam. Existential scam like how Trump is a scam, lol. The "me" invented awakening and enlightenment to try to kill or dissolve itself and everybody fell for it. THERE'S NO ONE TO AWAKEN. It's like me waking your body up from sleep and telling you there's no body there. It's laughable. Not a popular message, but laughable. Don't care what anybody says. Anybody that says any different, ask them how the hell they know they're enlightened. Answer: The illusory "me" told them. Awakening is a bit different as one can awaken to what I'm saying but there's still a "me" there unless it has truly fallen away and recognizes it was never there to begin with and so no one really awakened.

Yea for now it’s just all words for me

[Princess Arabia]

3 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

Yea for now it’s just all words for me

See, you said it "me". All words for me. For me too. Difference is, there's an opening in this "me" that recognizes itself to not be "me" and is doing the talking. It is talking to the "no me" in you too, but that "me" over there isn't open to it. That's all. It's all good. 

Edited 11 hours ago by Princess Arabia

[Sugarcoat]

4 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

See, you said it "me". All words for me. For me too. Difference is, there's an opening in this "me" that recognizes itself to not be "me" and is doing the talking. It is talking to the "no me" in you too, but that "me" over there isn't open to it. That's all. It's all good. 

Maybe it is so

[Princess Arabia]

7 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

Maybe it is so

Just one last thing, don't get me wrong; the same crap over there is the same crap over here just different content. I have sad feelings, depressed feelings, life goes good, it goes bad, all hell breaks loose, sometimes I wish I were dead, I love life, life is beautiful, life sucks, etcetcetc, the whole shebang just a different story. It's just there's no one doing that, all just happening and arising and this opening recognizes that and isn't bothered by it enough to write a story about it or to even make up mental ideas about why it's all happening and all that. It's perfectly fine and i don't need to change it because I've recognized it's all a part of what comes with the "me" energy and it can't help it. I don't wish anything different because there's nothing to wish for that won't come crashing down eventually and taken from me so I've learnt to live with what is. I don't want to be happy, I don't want to be sad, I don't want anything other than life's expectancies and to survive, I've not surrendered and i've not accepted anything. I've just realized there's no one doing any of this and that life is happening all on it's own. TRULY. 

[Sugarcoat]

2 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

Just one last thing, don't get me wrong; the same crap over there is the same crap over here just different content. I have sad feelings, depressed feelings, life goes good, it goes bad, all hell breaks loose, sometimes I wish I were dead, I love life, life is beautiful, life sucks, etcetcetc, the whole shebang just a different story. It's just there's no one doing that, all just happening and arising and this opening recognizes that and isn't bothered by it enough to write a story about it or to even make up mental ideas about why it's all happening and all that. It's perfectly fine and i don't need to change it because I've recognized it's all a part of what comes with the "me" energy and it can't help it. I don't wish anything different because there's nothing to wish for that won't come crashing down eventually and taken from me so I've learnt to live with what is. I don't want to be happy, I don't want to be sad, I don't want anything other than life's expectancies and to survive, I've not surrendered and i've not accepted anything. I've just realized there's no one doing any of this and that life is happening all on it's own. TRULY. 

That’s great you’ve realized that. I haven’t.

[Princess Arabia]

Just now, Sugarcoat said:

That’s great you’ve realized that. I haven’t.

If you had a choice to be depressed or happy, which would you choose. The answer is right there in that statement. 

[Sugarcoat]

3 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

If you had a choice to be depressed or happy, which would you choose. The answer is right there in that statement. 

The answer is obvious 

[RightHand]

8 hours ago, Yimpa said:

I originally read “guy” as “gay” 

Scrat pulled this:

He has better game than all of us combined.

[UnbornTao]

Zen sticks for us all.