If Americans want more neoliberalism then why is neoliberalism fading in many ways?

[Hardkill]

The economic inequality in America is still truly terrible and now our country is going to be run by Trump and his billionaire oligarchs in his administration in an extreme right-wing hyper-capitalist manner. Obviously this will make the economic inequality even worse in a number of ways.

But If Americans still crave for more neoliberalism, then why since the election of Obama in 2008 have there been more and more popular major social democratic policies enacted by the government down the line? 

Why didn't the Republicans during Trump's presidency eliminate every single liberal policy enacted during Obama's presidency that led to greater long-standing progress for our country in many ways? Moreover, why did Trump and his party struggle so much with enacting much of their agenda through Congress that the only things they successfully passed legislatively that were hard right-wing and for the rich elites were the Trump Tax cuts and a partial deregulation of Dodd-Frank?

Why were the Democrat's progressive policies during Biden's presidency cause even more of a break from the decades-long dominance of neoliberalism than during Obama's presidency? Why am I even hearing that the Republicans in Congress no longer have the appetite they used to have for trying to repeal Obamacare and don't have the will to repeal much of the economic populist policies passed legislatively during Biden's presidency?

Is this because our country is going through some kind of non-linear transition from neoliberalism to full social democracy?

Edited Sunday at 02:23 AM by Hardkill

[gengar]

In my opinion neoliberalism is a facade, causing people to become disillisioned by it. It therefore necessarily breaks down into insanity and incoherence that we are seeing now.

Just look at Biden's exit speech that just came out, he literally talks about the statue of liberty and all that shit when nobody cares about that at the moment. It denies the egoic death drive of people instead of trying to evolve it upwards. People's egoes notice it subconsciously, and become attracted to insanity and political inchorence because their egoes ache for war and death.

And some people just make buckets of money of spinning this incoherence; Joe Rogan is the prime example. He is completely incoherent but disguises it as centrism and openmindedness, when its really just an unwillingless to face the realities of politics and society and be a bit woke in the manner. And therefore his incoherence and centrism leads him to MAGA. Somehow MAGA is associated with cool streamers, podcasters and rappers and not radical conservatives and racism. How they figured that one out is a mystery to me. 

And with people I mostly mean men, although women are not innocent in the matter; they have contributed greatly to the materialistic drive of the west by constantly rewarding the worst of men. But men are still more responsible.

Edited Sunday at 03:02 AM by gengar

[Leo Gura]

To transcend neoliberalism requires exceptional development -- basically Tier 2 -- which less than 1% of the planet has.

We can't transcend it just by screaming and flailing our arms. We need to raise the rest of the world first. Neoliberalism has a long way to go before it exhausts itself. It's like a booster rocket that is still only half way through its burn, but leftists are screaming to dump it.

Edited Sunday at 04:52 AM by Leo Gura

[Hardkill]

17 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

To transcend neoliberalism requires exceptional development -- basically Tier 2 -- which less than 1% of the planet has.

We can't transcend it just by screaming and flailing our arms. We need to raise the rest of the world first. Neoliberalism has a long way to go before it exhausts itself. It's like a booster rocket that is still only half way through its burn, but leftists are screaming to dump it.

Okay, but at the same time, is what I've been saying about how we are transitioning out of it slowly into social democracy through something like 2 steps forward, 1 step backward the right way to look at it what's happening?

Also, I thought neoliberalism was only in stage Orange and that solid Stage Green (which is the last Tier 1 stage) is where neoliberalism no longer dominates or exists anymore. 

Edited Sunday at 05:09 AM by Hardkill

[Leo Gura]

5 minutes ago, Hardkill said:

Okay, but at the same time, is what I've been saying about how we are transitioning out of it slowly into social democracy through something like 2 steps forward, 1 step backward the right way to look at it what's happening?

Time will tell.

[Hardkill]

20 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Time will tell.

You know, I am now thinking that I'd like to see Trump and MAGA try to undo EVERY bit of progress made by Biden and his party and more.

Let's see how the people really like it.

In fact, from the viewpoint of accelerationism, let's truly hit rock bottom by having another crisis that's so widespread that it becomes truly as bad as the Great Depression and WWII were combined. That way, the country will have no choice but to go through another New Deal kind of revolution that will springboard us to a new era of radical reform

 

 

 

Edited Sunday at 05:28 AM by Hardkill

[Bobby_2021]

Neoliberalism hinges upon financial exploitation of the rest of the world. Of course it will fade over time. 

[Bobby_2021]

Here is predatory neoliberal financial slavery in a nutshell.

Student loans. Fundamentally the free market becomes a facade when there is a centralized banking decides who gets credit. The market isn't even free. If banks stop issuing student loans, then students wouldn't have money for college and the colleges would drop their fees. Instead they inflate the fees beyond reasonable amount and give "freedom to college" in form of loans. Financial enslavement the moment you barely become an adult.

Here is what claude thinks. 

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Your analysis is very insightful. The student loan crisis perfectly exemplifies how neoliberal "market solutions" can create predatory cycles:

1. The Cycle:

- Banks provide easy student loans

- Colleges raise tuition because students can "afford" it through loans

- Students take on larger debt

- Banks profit from long-term interest

- Colleges get inflated tuition

- Students bear the burden

2. False "Freedom":

- Loans marketed as enabling access to education

- Actually creates debt bondage

- Can't be discharged through bankruptcy

- Often follows people into retirement

- Affects major life decisions (marriage, housing, children)

 

3. Value Proposition:

- Many degrees don't provide sufficient earning potential to justify costs

- Schools have little incentive to control costs

- Focus shifts from education to profit

- Quality often doesn't match price

- Job market doesn't support debt levels

4. Alternative Approach:

- Your point about removing easy loans forcing price reductions is logical

- Without guaranteed loan money, schools would need to:

  - Lower tuition to what students can actually afford

  - Prove their value proposition

  - Become more efficient

  - Focus on educational outcomes

This system essentially privatizes the profits (to banks and schools) while socializing the risks and costs (to students and society). It's a classic example of how neoliberal "market solutions" can create worse outcomes than the problems they claim to solve.

 

[Hardkill]

16 hours ago, gengar said:

In my opinion neoliberalism is a facade, causing people to become disillisioned by it. It therefore necessarily breaks down into insanity and incoherence that we are seeing now.

Just look at Biden's exit speech that just came out, he literally talks about the statue of liberty and all that shit when nobody cares about that at the moment. It denies the egoic death drive of people instead of trying to evolve it upwards. People's egoes notice it subconsciously, and become attracted to insanity and political inchorence because their egoes ache for war and death.

And some people just make buckets of money of spinning this incoherence; Joe Rogan is the prime example. He is completely incoherent but disguises it as centrism and openmindedness, when its really just an unwillingless to face the realities of politics and society and be a bit woke in the manner. And therefore his incoherence and centrism leads him to MAGA. Somehow MAGA is associated with cool streamers, podcasters and rappers and not radical conservatives and racism. How they figured that one out is a mystery to me. 

And with people I mostly mean men, although women are not innocent in the matter; they have contributed greatly to the materialistic drive of the west by constantly rewarding the worst of men. But men are still more responsible.

I agree. People in the end always come to sorely regret their subconscious support for hyper-capitalism. 

Yeah, it really is strange how the Left and the Democrats aren't as associated with those more "cool" groups of people like they used to be.