I think that Leo feeds into Christian ideology without knowing

[AndylizedAAY]

@Jodistrict Would it be difficult for you to remember the details of where it all started with leaving because it didn't serve you to explain to Christians and thus have a hard time explaining to anyone else who is not in your personal life unless you sat down and took some notes? It would only make my departure feel complete if I could do that even though there seems to be no point explaining it here because it makes no difference unless I can practice explaining epistemically since I transitioned into atheism before ditching that completely and deciding to take the path of Actualized.org because atheism reacts to religious ideology and doesn't see anything higher. I had my own reasons for re-incarnation before I looked deeper into it such as those who are deluded and God-realization should not take a single lifetime with the problem of faith whether Christian or non-Christian can lead to delusion otherwise it wouldn't be faith. I also saw the nature of God as the reason for karma and that people's roles in God's plan for Christianity would not make sense to me because of God who makes things work with whatever ways he chooses for people who also chooses people to make them suitable and is thus completely groundless. I saw love as the reason why everything is here when it comes to the Universe wanting to know itself by being itself and that Consciousness is the only sentient thing that exists so I saw the soul as relying on the dream to exist which is one with the Dreamer (the soul as the dream-self). After leaving Christianity, I contemplated this especially when I noticed subconscious fear of certain questions. If you can tell me the things that don't make sense in Christianity, I can focus on that because of how much stuff that doesn't make sense. Since everything is Consciousness and that God has no bias against it, it seems to be the reason why karma exists. This is why I think that only God-realization can make me feel complete and that a new heaven and a new earth would not satisfy me nor did it make sense for Satan to ever compete with an omnipotent God, in which it was uneccesary for Satan to be casted out of heaven, and for Satan to now be doomed to hell because of a stupid decision. I only see fear and/or subconscious avoidance when I ask something like this in question form. I also wanted to know how my mind was interpreting reality to not filter what the Holy Spirit was saying since there is a cycle of prayer being necessary to understand the Bible and the Bible being necessary for discernment of prayer but reflecting on how my mind interprets reality is the only ground I can rely on in direct experience. I later also saw the 3 Gunas as untapped potential in my new journey when I first learned about it through Dr. Kanoja (HealthyGamerGG) and then found deeper meaning behind it. 

Edited January 26 by AndylizedAAY
To explain why I accepted reincarnation.

[AndylizedAAY]

5 hours ago, puporing said:

@AndylizedAAY I hope you realize that you are asking someone who has not realized "Christ consciousness" in themselves yet and so you are going to get answers that is not going to reflect "Christ (aka the God that Christ refers to) consciousness".

This is already a flawed endeavor what you are doing. It's like me asking a materialist scientist or atheist: "do you think God exist?" Or me asking a typical philosopher: "do you think there's a dream within a dream?" 

I'm just pointing out something that anyone who's serious about "this work" can see. But maybe only someone like me can see it .. who knows.

Literally anyone you ask that is "not in Christ consciousness", is going to give you an inaccurate answer, how else could it be? But the problem is you also cannot tell (since you are not awake enough), who/what is Christ.

5 hours ago, puporing said:

@AndylizedAAY

5 hours ago, puporing said:

@AndylizedAAY 

[AndylizedAAY]

@puporing Sorry, there was a technical difficulty with submitting a response on the forum on my phone. Is Christ Consciousness supposed to be a facet of Awakening? What if my questions are not a priority for @Leo Gura to respond because of lack of Christ Consciousness? I wouldn't know because I wasn't getting into the specifics of Christianity when I was asking those new questions which is what he wanted. It's not like I wasn't being serious about Awakening, but I do remember things about the Bible even though ultimately doesn't help me to Awaken at all. It's not like I was separate from Christian influence

5 hours ago, puporing said:

@AndylizedAAY I hope you realize that you are asking someone who has not realized "Christ consciousness" in themselves yet and so you are going to get answers that is not going to reflect "Christ (aka the God that Christ refers to) consciousness".

This is already a flawed endeavor what you are doing. It's like me asking a materialist scientist or atheist: "do you think God exist?" Or me asking a typical philosopher: "do you think there's a dream within a dream?" 

I'm just pointing out something that anyone who's serious about "this work" can see. But maybe only someone like me can see it .. who knows.

Literally anyone you ask that is "not in Christ consciousness", is going to give you an inaccurate answer, how else could it be? But the problem is you also cannot tell (since you are not awake enough), who/what is Christ.

5 hours ago, puporing said:

@AndylizedAAY

5 hours ago, puporing said:

@AndylizedAAY 

[Aaron p]

Christ consciousness = self consciousness 

[Aaron p]

2 hours ago, AndylizedAAY said:

technical difficulty with submitting a response on the forum on my phone

You glitchin bro

[puporing]

@AndylizedAAY It's not just a facet, it's an entirely different state (and permanent in my case). For one you might experience that everything happening in this world is "in the past tense", or "not real".. So.. you are basically "outside" of this realm of existence. It might take a lot of effort to be engaged with something of this world, like you have to adjust your state to do so. Everything is "recontextualized" as how soon someone might return to this/their original state/Self... etc. You know you are "the leader" of "the sonship"/this particular Self, but almost nobody else knows that..

Edited January 26 by puporing

[Applegarden8]

On 1/18/2025 at 4:15 AM, Leo Gura said:

Simply put, there is too much nonsense and corruption within Christianity, or any religion, to bother seriously engaging with it on any technical level. This would be like trying to do scholarly work on Lord of the Rings. It's unncessary.

It is easier to just throw it all away. And if your mind is unwilling to throw it all away, that itself is the problem. Because God-Realization has zero need of Christianity or Jesus.

If you're not willing to throw it all away then you're not serious about truth-seeking because you shouldn't care about this story, this person, or that teaching, or that scripture. That's all human stuff. God is beyond the human and does not care about any human forms or ideas.

The problem of religion is that there has to be a living master who transmits the part of experience that trough techniques and otherwise are unlikely and hard to be experienced just by studying them.

Yet I think the scriptures of Hinduism are the most technical and are rich of techniques, sutras, asanas that you can do if you don't know what to do in great variety.

If and when you would be become a master, I would assume immediately that the content you explain or especially what is written in your blog or a book or whatever, you would have or already have a great problem of transmitting your experience to other people and then content you release, no matter how nuanced, will not transmit the experience you have in a significant way I think. The same has happened with various religions.