Tom Campbell on JRE.

[kavaris]

Tom

i thought about this phrase of tom's that mentions how, consciousness/awareness leads to lowering of entropy (if yous dont know what that is you can look it up no problem) but it generally would mean that, randomness (entropy) would shift towards a balanced state as awareness/consciousness comes into play... that is, its like, something thats less random that invokes signs of clarity, alignment, etc. except... ...  that is a conflation between two things: awareness and entropy, that arent really consequences of each other... that is to say, becoming/having more awareness doesnt lead to less entropy, in the same way having less entropy wouldnt make you more aware. Instead, it would be more accurate to describe awareness as a delicate balance of multiple things, multiple thoughts, feelings, and ideas that are simmering together, and having somewhere in that recipe the necessary experiences that are prominent enough that they lend theirselves towards those advanced insights, or progressive sorts of thoughts that are, really kindve chaotic in nature, at first, but really they have a higher alignment with a system thats more chaotic as opposed to less... if you have less entropy, then you are less attuned to this reality because this reality implies a complex system. It doesnt mean that you cant find balance and alignment, it just means those two ideas of awareness and entropy arent like ingredients, like, "first i add sauce A, and afterwards it tastes like flavor B"... Obviously its a bit more complicated.

Edited Saturday at 01:19 PM by kavaris

[Girzo]

@The Crocodile You don't get one very important thing. You are the person who will not awaken by following Campbell. You are not the person who oobed the shit out and "discovered" stuff for themselves. You just follow hearsay, believe it and then preach it to us there like some lunatic Christian. Look at the structure of what you say. It's one to one to the guys who come there to preach that "Jesus Christ is needed for Enlightnment." "You are scared of death because you don't understand how Jesus has brought salvation." "It's all explained, just read this scripture", etc. You are playing the same ego game as them, neither helping anyone nor progressing in your own journey.

Edited Saturday at 02:08 PM by Girzo

[LambdaDelta]

46 minutes ago, Girzo said:

@The Crocodile You don't get one very important thing. You are the person who will not awaken by following Campbell. You are not the person who oobed the shit out and "discovered" stuff for themselves. You just follow hearsay, believe it and then preach it to us there like some lunatic Christian. Look at the structure of what you say. It's one to one to the guys who come there to preach that "Jesus Christ is needed for Enlightnment." "You are scared of death because you don't understand how Jesus has brought salvation." "It's all explained, just read this scripture", etc. You are playing the same ego game as them, neither helping anyone nor progressing in your own journey.

You can't remote view large numbers, therefore your opinion is invalid

[The Crocodile]

1 hour ago, Girzo said:

@The Crocodile You don't get one very important thing. You are the person who will not awaken by following Campbell.

No, I awakened well before I knew Tom or Leo or anyone else.

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You are not the person who oobed the shit out and "discovered" stuff for themselves.

Also wrong.

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You just follow hearsay, believe it and then preach it to us there like some lunatic Christian. Look at the structure of what you say. It's one to one to the guys who come there to preach that "Jesus Christ is needed for Enlightnment." "You are scared of death because you don't understand how Jesus has brought salvation." "It's all explained, just read this scripture", etc. You are playing the same ego game as them, neither helping anyone nor progressing in your own journey.

If you can't tell the difference between religion and science, or belief vs. comprehension then that is your own problem.

[The Crocodile]

@Girzo I'll give you a simple instruction. Since most spirituality is solely based on pretending (a New Ager pretending to be intuitive and then voting for trump) or pretending through mental masturbation, or pretending the bliss any woman gets while taking a hot soothing bath on their period is "enlightenment", pretending they are either in a binary "enlightened" state or that they're on a generic "path" to nowhere, you may need something concrete and verifiable to finally crack open your perception, to deepen, heighten, widen your perception in a hypercomplex nonlinearly interconnected comprehension and higher force of real magic.

People are so satiated by pretending and con artistry that they don't even EXPECT things to be the real deal, or expect there to be real magic and actual knowledge of consciousness or comprehension of perception.

You stare at a wall without blinking for three hours. Go do it now.

Then in a fully dark room watch the colors and scoop the colors onto your body, or watch the colors coming out of the body. Then watch dreams and devious entities start to appear out of the colors.

If on day one the wall didn't do it for you on day two you can try using a candle, stare into it for three hours without blinking, then close your eyes and observe, for three hours.

Then in a fully dark room you'll progress along stages, 

Like I've said before Stage One is akin to normal visual snow or sparkles. Stage Two is simple purple blobs. Stage Three is more complex purple blobs, sheets, more multicoloration. Stage Four is powerful sensations in the body like electricity or The Force with purple and black swirling and vortexing together, or some equivalently potent energy-form. There you might get shapeshifting, but so far it's probably only "micro-shapeshifting" like perceiving a third arm that extends into the sky or dozens of feet down below an overpass. Stage Five is like clear light or fluid. It's not just luminous anymore, it's reflective, and the visions on surfaces might look like it's made of the same stuff as the normal world. There's also an elusive Stage Six that's so complex and varied and unassailable you could just call it ectoplasm, like the stuff from Ghostbusters or Poltergeist.

The black stuff is negative energy from inorganic beings.

But you could use infinite intelligence not just as a knowledge but as a power, the intelligence or force behind things existing is interactive.

But there are more specific forces, like the light you first see when you do trataka or the electricity you feel doing pranayama may be the same force passing through the body, but the black stuff is something else, and the fluid in the ectoplasm is something else.

Reality is not just materialism and ordinary human consciouness . . . + God. To understand the Absolute you have to actually understand the relative, otherwise you'll just have a deluded purely intellectual masturbatory understanding of the Absolute and pretending to be doing something significant.

When you could have real magic.

[Girzo]

@The Crocodile I don't want your instruction. If you want to bring some value then post a report of your work. It would be very interesting read to see your experiments, the stuff you have actually done, like how much have you sat and the results of your explorations of the wacky-consciousness phenomena.

The babble you post there is of interest to no-one.

41 minutes ago, The Crocodile said:

There's also an elusive Stage Six that's so complex and varied and unassailable you could just call it ectoplasm, like the stuff from Ghostbusters or Poltergeist.

The black stuff is negative energy from inorganic beings.

Really? Do you think you are going to invite anyone to seriously take up on exploring the limits of consciousness with such word salads?

You are not serious.

[The Crocodile]

6 minutes ago, Girzo said:

@The Crocodile Really? Do you think you are going to invite anyone to seriously take up on exploring the limits of consciousness with such word salads?

You are not serious.

Ah, so basically you're just a bad man.

What I said is literally true.

Maybe consider that?

[Girzo]

@The Crocodile Consider you are deluded. Usually I would have blocked such an obnoxious user as you, but somehow I have a feeling that you are just a teenager who needs some patience and beating with a stick on head. If you are an old ass and I am wasting my time, then tell me and let me block you.

[The Crocodile]

Just now, Girzo said:

@The Crocodile Consider you are deluded. Usually I would have blocked such an obnoxious user as you, but somehow I have a feeling that you are just a teenager who needs some patience and beating with a stick on head. If you are an old ass and I am wasting my time, then tell me and let me block you.

The words, "There's also an elusive Stage Six that's so complex and varied and unassailable you could just call it ectoplasm, like the stuff from Ghostbusters or Poltergeist.

The black stuff is negative energy from inorganic beings," are literally true, and describe factual actual reality.

 

Yes I am a teenager

[Salvijus]

On 2025-01-18 at 5:30 PM, The Crocodile said:

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Edited Sunday at 05:04 PM by Salvijus

[Spiral Wizard]

Here Tom flippantly said that there may only be humanity in the entire universe…

Probably no aliens because the universe has enough souls/IUOC‘s with 9 billion humans and much more would not add much for its learning opportunities & purpose to grow into love… as if the universe had limited resources. 

Bruh?! 

Joe even called him out on it. Then Tom paddled back a bit. 

One comment said: too open minded and close minded at the same time lol

I‘m really trying to give Tom the benefit of the doubt but he keeps on disappointing me. Of course, he may be referring to the LCS and not all of reality but then this is misleading, not well articulated and still unnecessarily limited. His theory is not holding up with my highest intuititions about the infinity of this universe and mystical beauty of this life. His teachings seem fairly dry to me and not that helpful to realizing the truth here and now. At the end of the day you‘ll want to free your mind from everything including his theory, I don’t see him point to that. 

That being said, it seems like an interesting intro for people that are very head-centered. And if that’s what it is, that’s fine. It may even contribute to revolutionizing science and help it catching up with the truth. If so, great work, I‘m pulling my hat for that. 

 

Edited Saturday at 05:05 PM by Spiral Wizard

[Spiral Wizard]

13 hours ago, MsNobody said:

@Leo Gura the comment section is insane. Everyone treating Tom like he is a God, they swallowed his TOE like a vitamin pill lol 

Most comments I saw are not positive towards Tom. Mostly criticism & jokes from below or more accurately from a more limited and probably less evolved perspective. 

Edited Saturday at 05:08 PM by Spiral Wizard

[Carl-Richard]

I really like how psychic phenomena is getting more mainstream attention lately: Tom Campbell on JRE, Essentia Foundation's YouTube channel growing quickly, Rupert Sheldrake's mainstream university debate panel from a year ago hitting 5 million views.

And I just realized how much more effective Tom's computer/avatar analogy is for a zoomer audience than for example Rupert Spira's King Lear or Mary's dream analogy.

Edited Sunday at 01:38 AM by Carl-Richard

[Leo Gura]

2 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

Tom's computer/avatar analogy

That's a problematic aspect of his work.

People will confuse it with simulation theory.

Consciousness has nothing to do with computers or virtual reality. That's a red herring.

Edited Saturday at 10:53 PM by Leo Gura

[Thought Art]

@The Crocodile Don't call others "bad people" just because they don't agree with you. 

[Carl-Richard]

5 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

That's a problematic aspect of his work.

People will confuse it with simulation theory.

Consciousness has nothing to do with computers or virtual reality. That's a red herring.

Oh yes, that's true. Materialism always finds a way to protect itself.

Edited Saturday at 10:58 PM by Carl-Richard

[The Crocodile]

@Carl-Richard Do you believe in reincarnation?

[Carl-Richard]

Just now, The Crocodile said:

@Carl-Richard Do you believe in reincarnation?

I believe people report past lives.

[kavaris]

It doesnt even make half-sense

"Its quantum physics, and entangled bits of information. Its a probability... from what?"—unexplainable bits of information from an unexplainable source of consciousness?

People who do not know any better have to agree once youve created a generality out of everything, without acknowledging or providing the freedom to allow unique perspectives and other generalities to challenge said perspectives, due to lack of trying, or trying only enough for it to be as simple and elegant as can be beared. What is even the point in meditating then, if what everyone would presumably be meditating on is confined to Tom World, where everything has been put into this already-solved black box, it doesnt even make half-sense. The intuitive side isnt even a thing... Raw meditation doesnt clear the mind. The closest you can get is by fixating the mind on a new construction that gives you the lasting impression that—you had simplified forefrontal thoughts in a twisted way where they are being sent into a subconscious realm, temporarily, like repeating a song in your head wherein it feels like those immediate thoughts exist automatically (like automatic breathing) because they know the lyrics... Once your mind is on to the fact that its been running automatic, it immediately generates new forefrontal thoughts, like... Intellect is about as synonymous as it gets with consciousness. Youd need to be clever to get anywhere with meditating anyway.

[The Crocodile]

57 minutes ago, kavaris said:

It doesnt even make half-sense

"Its quantum physics, and entangled bits of information. Its a probability... from what?"—unexplainable bits of information from an unexplainable source of consciousness?

People who do not know any better have to agree once youve created a generality out of everything, without acknowledging or providing the freedom to allow unique perspectives and other generalities to challenge said perspectives, due to lack of trying, or trying only enough for it to be as simple and elegant as can be beared. What is even the point in meditating then, if what everyone would presumably be meditating on is confined to Tom World, where everything has been put into this already-solved black box, it doesnt even make half-sense. 

Probability means something like natural law of consciousness doing things over time. So if you have a random number generator there are different probabilities depending on how the machine is working out. Consciousness can modify the result, which is how psychokinesis works. Rupert Sheldrake talks about how morphogenetic fields are a better model of biology then just mechanics of DNA, because something needs to determine how the parts themselves move in a particular pattern, which with physical DNA alone would be way too complex, for what DNA actually is.

Also it's an explanation of why anything exists at all in the system, your objection would "work" on any attempted explanation of why anything exists in the system, where you're trying to define consciousness as "intellect" which doesn't make a lick of sense.

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The intuitive side isnt even a thing... Raw meditation doesnt clear the mind. The closest you can get is by fixating the mind on a new construction that gives you the lasting impression that—you had simplified forefrontal thoughts in a twisted way where they are being sent into a subconscious realm, temporarily, like repeating a song in your head wherein it feels like those immediate thoughts exist automatically (like automatic breathing) because they know the lyrics... Once your mind is on to the fact that its been running automatic, it immediately generates new forefrontal thoughts, like... Intellect is about as synonymous as it gets with consciousness. Youd need to be clever to get anywhere with meditating anyway.

You think your own inability to meditate is an argument against the effectiveness of meditation?