Veganism: low vs high perspective.

[Buck Edwards]

3 minutes ago, integral said:

Veganism is understood at the end of veganism not at the beginning

Well said 

[Thought Art]

5 hours ago, freddyteisen said:

Not eating meat results in serious nutritional deficiencies; Vitamin A, B12, K2, taurine, creatine, anserine, carnosine and many more…

 

I consulted ChatGPT and the only nutrient you can’t get from plants or the sun is B12. Which is from a bacteria. A lot of meat is supplemented with B12 because animals have to eat it to. 
 

Funny, when I first got into veganism/ plant based nutrition this is like first thing I learned
 

Some of the nutrients you listed simply take careful consideration when diet planning for vegans.
 

However, there is a lot more to nutrition then just nutrients I think.  Acid/ Alkaline, the food température (not physical heat), yin/ yang matter. 
 

@freddyteisen

Edited 10 hours ago by Thought Art

[integral]

If veganism was viable, we would already have been doing this for thousands of years. 

It’s one of the first things they would’ve figured out a long with fire.

You guys think all of human history was just a bunch of stupid apes slapping rocks into their genitals.

Edited 10 hours ago by integral

[Buck Edwards]

3 minutes ago, integral said:

If veganism was viable, we would already have been doing this for thousands of years. 

It’s one of the first things they would’ve figured out a long with fire.

You guys think all of human history was just a bunch of stupid apes slapping rocks into their genitals.

Exactly. In fact ancestors survived through ages and ages because of their robust diet and they were hunter gatherers. 

[Emerald]

2 hours ago, integral said:

Veganism is understood at the end of veganism not at the beginning

What does that mean?

And do you have experiences of the "end of Veganism" for yourself?

[Ero]

7 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

The solutions need to understand and accept the following realities:

• Oil consumption will not go down
• Meat eating will not stop
• Nukes will not go away
• AI will not go away
• Wall Street will not go away
• Capitalism will not end
• Socialism will not happen
• Tier 2 will not happen in our lifetime
• Consumer consumption and endless growth will not stop

Now, invent practical solutions within those parameters. That would be a serious engagement with the matter.

Can you write some of your thoughts on the Blog? You can tie it nicely with the last “political winter” piece, which is pure gold. Would be a good testament you can come back to when addressing some of the “black pill” topics in the future and “touch base” with the hippies.

Edited 8 hours ago by Ero

[Leo Gura]

5 minutes ago, Ero said:

Can you write some of your thoughts on the Blog? You can tie it nicely with the last “buckle up” piece, which is pure gold. Would be a good testament you can come back to when addressing some of the “black pill” topics in the future. “Touch base” with the hippies.

I will do a video on how to think about climate change. Already in the works.

Edited 8 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Ero]

4 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

I will do a video on how to think about climate change. Already in the works.

Can’t wait. Can already tell there will be some serious systemic observations.

[AION]

4 hours ago, integral said:

If veganism was viable, we would already have been doing this for thousands of years. 

It’s one of the first things they would’ve figured out a long with fire.

You guys think all of human history was just a bunch of stupid apes slapping rocks into their genitals.

At the end, they all see the light, unfortunately for a lot when it is too late and the damage is done.

 

[integral]

8 hours ago, Emerald said:

What does that mean?

And do you have experiences of the "end of Veganism" for yourself?

Yes, people go vegan or vegetarian through belief without realizing that they need to first figure out if veganism is suited for them, whether it even works for their genetics. The vegan culture does not explicitly explain that you need vegan genetics to be successful. They’re too busy in a fantasy land, ignoring all the people who fail or gaslighting failures. It is so easy to just say “they did it wrong”

It is not true that you could just take a supplement. You need to get tested every 3 to 6 months. To make sure everything is working correctly, and you need to be aware of signs that things are not working early. To avoid damage.

The risk is real, changing diet is not a game, malnutrition even for short period causes irreversible damage. But most of the time a vegan is too stuck in the vegan echo chamber so they’re going to prolong that malnutrition for years and years as they try to figure out how to make veganismwork. After all, they read multiple books giving them a great confidence. 

Sign that things are not working: bags start developing under your eyes, higher emotional instability, teeth grinding at nigh, erratic energy, overly sensitive, poor muscle recovery, premature ageing, you look like a skull, you have lost all the fat on your face but not other parts of your body, thinning of the skin, thinning of the hair, very low iron levels (women).

If you’re in the right vegan subculture you’re gonna get some awareness, but it won’t be enough.

The right vegan culture is one that doesn’t even promote veganism. It promotes a healthy diet strategically based on a holistic factor that consider someone’s genetics, culture, upbringing, gut microbiome, environment… and so on.

The right diet is not ideological. The right diet does not have an agenda attached to it. 

If you “look like a vegan”, then you gotta get tested right away. The vegan look is a young body with malnutrition. Unfortunately, the body has reserves, and you can deplete yourself for a decade before really noticing it. And most vegans start in their 20s when they have the most youth to burn.

Veganism is one of the most challenging diets that takes expertise that don’t exist in these vegan echo chambers. It is very hard to do this diet, correctly.

When people understand at a higher level what veganism is, they then realize that it is not as simple as pushing veganism on all of the planet, and then reducing animal slaughter and animal suffering. They then realize the full magnitude of the problem. and that a real solution does not exist yet. That we still haven’t engineered a diet that completely avoids animal products, that works at scale for 8+ billion people. They’re still science to be done. 

If vegans had their way, they will create one of the worst health crisis in all of human history. Worse than the plague, worse than what pharmaceutical companies have done, worse than the increased cancer rates caused by every pollutant on earth. It would be catastrophic. 

Edited 18 minutes ago by integral

[RendHeaven]

34 minutes ago, integral said:

Yes, people go vegan or vegetarian through belief without realizing that they need to first figure out if veganism is suited for them, whether it even works for their genetics. The vegan culture does not explicitly explain that you need vegan genetics to be successful. They’re too busy in a fantasy land, ignoring all the people who fail or gaslighting failures. It is so easy to just say “they did it wrong”

It is not true that you could just take a supplement. You need to get tested every 3 to 6 months. To make sure everything is working correctly, and you need to be aware of signs that things are not working early. To avoid damage.

The risk is real, changing diet is not a game, malnutrition even for short period causes irreversible damage. But most of the time a vegan is too stuck in the vegan echo chamber so they’re going to prolong that malnutrition for years and years as they try to figure out how to make veganismwork. After all, they read multiple books giving them a great confidence. 

Sign that things are not working: bags start developing under your eyes, higher emotional instability, teeth grinding at nigh, erratic energy, overly sensitive, poor muscle recovery, premature ageing, you look like a skull, you have lost all the fat on your face but not other parts of your body, thinning of the skin, thinning of the hair, very low iron levels (women).

If you’re in the right vegan subculture you’re gonna get some awareness, but it won’t be enough.

The right vegan culture is one that doesn’t even promote veganism. It promotes a healthy diet strategically based on a holistic factor that consider someone’s genetics, culture, upbringing, gut microbiome, environment… and so on.

The right diet is not ideological. The right diet does not have an agenda attached to it. 

If you “look like a vegan”, then you gotta get tested right away. The vegan look is a young body with malnutrition. Unfortunately, the body has reserves, and you can deplete yourself for a decade before really noticing it. And most vegans start in their 20s when they have the most youth to burn.

Veganism is one of the most challenging diets that takes expertise that don’t exist in these vegan echo chambers. It is very hard to do this diet, correctly.

When people understand at a higher level what veganism is, they then realize that it is not as simple as pushing veganism on all of the planet, and then reducing animal slaughter and animal suffering. They then realize the full magnitude of the problem. and that a real solution does not exist yet. That we still haven’t engineered a diet that completely avoids animal products, that works at scale for 8+ billion people. They’re still science to be done. 

If vegans had their way, they will create one of the worst health crisis in all of human history. Worse than the plague, worse than what pharmaceutical companies have done, worse than the increased cancer rates caused by every pollutant on earth. It would be catastrophic. 

5 years ago I was a hardcore vegan.

To this day I still have unreversed lingering side effects

[AION]

@integral and the thing is if a human is long enough on a vegan diet their brain will stop functioning so they can’t even reason themselves out of the diet and they need other people to tell them or they wait until something terrible happens like they start shitting their own guts out.
 

The most insane thing I don’t understand about veganism is that they do vegan diet in their prime years , and coast by on burning their youthful looks, damage their dna and burn through their reserves and while they are in their prime tell people how great their diet is not knowing what awaits them when the chicken comes home to roost.

 

People like banana girl who is an extremist vegans are already banned on YouTube but social media needs to be more strict on putting a limit on these people because they are praying on young vulnerable children to get them aboard on their death cult diet. 

Edited 8 minutes ago by AION