Veganism: low vs high perspective.

[RightHand]

21 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Nope.

It's easy to see. People just don't want to look at it because they have other agendas.

Harvesting human organs? A private island farm that employs world-class scientists to breed humans and produce pristine, organic, ethical organs.

 

FREAKY STUFF

Edited yesterday at 05:31 AM by RightHand

[Leo Gura]

22 minutes ago, Emerald said:

Explain a bit more. Do you mean the metaphorical chopping block? 

I mean it's easy to see that treating animals poorly is really no different than treating humans poorly.

There is no difference between slaughtering a chicken and a human baby. They suffer equally.

This can be understood sitting in an armchair.

Edited yesterday at 05:39 AM by Leo Gura

[Emerald]

1 minute ago, Leo Gura said:

I mean it's easy to see that treating animals poorly is really no different than treating humans poorly.

There is no difference between slaughtering a chicken and a human baby. They suffer equally.

This can be understood sitting in an armchair.

Yes, I agree with that. I thought you meant something different at first.

It's the problem of the two thorns...

You can use the mind and use deep contemplation to take away your blinders or to cement them on.

But the pattern that I notice is that people tend to reach for top shelf absolute truths to overwrite and ignore more practical and heart wisdom truths.

It's using intellectual understandings of the Truth to hide the truth from ourselves. Very sneaky of us.

[Leo Gura]

There are traps for logical people and traps for heart-centered people.

Don't worry. There is enough traps for everyone! Everyone gets 50 traps for free! No one will be left trapless so long as God is in charge!

[Daniel Balan]

3 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

I mean it's easy to see that treating animals poorly is really no different than treating humans poorly.

There is no difference between slaughtering a chicken and a human baby. They suffer equally.

This can be understood sitting in an armchair.

I agree! I am against mass slaughter of any animal in a factory setting. But, as a chicken raiser myself I can tell you if I don't slaughter the roosters they literally kill all the hens. They literally rape them, like 4 or 5 roosters mating with a hen at the same time and after that they eat the hen alive only the bones remaining of her. And if I don't have tall good fences the stray dogs come and slaughter my hens and roosters. So if I don't slaughter them myself they will be slaughtered by nature. I don't see evil in that. 

[koops]

The problem with veganism is the messengers. Same with feminism.

The context of the communication is usually low-consciousness, while the content can be high-consciousness, and we usually shoot the messenger, mixing the message (content) with messenger (context)

In the past I hated vegans, but now I even 'hate' more people who hate vegans. And Im not a vegan myself. Is a struggle. I have to deal with my hypocrisy.

But hey, I can eat on autopilot and not think about it. Avoiding truth as Leo said in his video. I tried to change in the past, but is tough, specially if you know about nutrition.

 

[AION]

Most livestock wouldn't even exist in its current form if humans didn't take the wild animal and domesticated it after thousand of years of evolution. Although we don't eat cats and dogs, it is the same for them, they were tigers and wolves. A lot of vegans are projecting human attributes to animals but I don't think they mind being domesticated. They are just happy to be alive.

Edited yesterday at 09:51 AM by AION

[Leo Gura]

11 minutes ago, AION said:

but I don't think they mind being domesticated.

So just like hoomans.

[AION]

32 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

So just like hoomans.

Humans are no different. It is just good luck human meat doesn't taste good. We are farmed for our labor.

Actually yesterday I contemplated how it would be to live as a duck in a pond. Just swimming around in the pond, shagging some other ducks, enjoying life, no worries, no contemplating what happened last year or what will happen next year, just enjoying the now and then being killed by some other birds. A huge tragedy?

If human was killed in the pond it would be a great tragedy but the duck doesn't make a big deal out of it. They just accept what is. That is probably why we humans suffer so much and animals suffer much less.

Putting a cow on a yard and letting him live all of his life there is no tragedy. Putting a human on a yard and letting him live all of his life there is a tragedy.

Being human is a blessing and a curse. I think most people wish they would be animals. They would suffer much less. In fact a lot of humans are unhappy and act like animals but you can't be happy as a human while being an animal.

Edited yesterday at 10:35 AM by AION

[Schizophonia]

The highest perspective is the one who serves your interests the most.

With this dichotomy you can manipulate people who like to see reality through additional layers of concepts because it makes them feel more "intelligent", "evolved" or adjectives like that that allow them to inflate their ego.

But this is opposed to a more holistic perspective, therefore more solid, but which is in fact simpler because with "less surface" as Ken Wilber would say.

There are no selfish people and altruistic people it's a lie, there are people who have a more or less normal management of their libido (and who will favor their sexual pleasure, taste, their career, sport) and people who favor regressive patterns.

 

 

[Leo Gura]

1 minute ago, AION said:

It is just good luck human meat doesn't taste good.

Watch your assumptions!

1 minute ago, AION said:

no worries ... just enjoying the now and then being killed by some other birds. A huge tragedy?

Funny how you put it.

If your house burned down tomorrow with you in it, I could likewise say, no worries, a huge tragedy?

1 minute ago, AION said:

If human was killed in the pond it would be a great tragedy but the duck doesn't make a big deal out of it.

It's not a big deal to you because you aren't that duck. It's a big deal to the duck.

1 minute ago, AION said:

They just accept what is.

You too will accept your death. No big deal.

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So much bias in your view it's unreal.

[RendHeaven]

2 hours ago, Schizophonia said:

libido

There it is

[Vibes]

@Leo Gura I understand all that. But I can't be too much in contact with it because I suffer too much for animals.

There's a guy who slaughters chickens and goats for stupid human rituals nearby. He sometimes grabs a chicken in the middle of their sleep at night, they scream in horror. All I can do to bear the pain is tell myself fantasies that animals suffer less than humans and mix some spiritual stories in it,

At the highest level, it's God doing to God, pretending in this play. But I suffer as if it's real.

Edited 16 hours ago by Vibes

[integral]

15 hours ago, Thought Art said:

@Buck Edwards i don’t think this is true. 
 

Bryan Johnson for example is vegan. He spends 2million a year on his health. 

Though, everyone is different.

I don’t have $2 million to be a vegan 😎

[Yimpa]

57 minutes ago, integral said:

I don’t have $2 million to be a vegan 😎

I’ve got a friend who is broke yet is still vegan. If there is a will, there’s a whey.

[integral]

10 minutes ago, Yimpa said:

I’ve got a friend who is broke yet is still vegan. If there is a will, there’s a whey.

Veganism is a disease that takes years before you start deteriorating, the body has reserves.

It takes a lot of money to do veganism properly and if you’re not taking supplements which are expensive then you were doing it wrong.

Even if you’re taking supplements, you need to be tested continuously very carefully all your bio markers to make sure everything is up to par. And it is very easy to have missed something which over years will compound into deterioration.

Brian Johnson takes 100+ supplements before 6 AM daily

you also need to have the right genetics and gut Microbiome for it or else you’re going to deteriorate, regardless of how perfect your routine is.

Edited 16 hours ago by integral

[Yimpa]

1 minute ago, integral said:

Brian Johnson takes 100+ supplements before a day. 

I wonder how many of those are vegan approved..

[integral]

2 minutes ago, Yimpa said:

I wonder how many of those are vegan approved..

I wonder if they pass anti-slavery laws 😁

[Hatfort]

Nah, veganism is not expensive. The only required supplement is B12, which is incredibly cheap. It's so cheap, that it's included in every farm animal feed, which is where non-vengans obtain it too secondhand. Our health is fine, thank you for your concern, guys. Whatever they charge us more for a plant-based milk, which doesn't get as large subsidies as cow milk, we make it up by not buying one of the most expensive items in the basket, which is meat, also very heavily subsidized. The talked meat alternatives are in pair in cost to meat, and it's not something most vegans eat in excess anyway, I don't, but as treats here and there.

Most vegans, including myself, do it mostly for the animals, it's an unnecessary slaughter nowadays.

[Thought Art]

1 hour ago, integral said:

I don’t have $2 million to be a vegan 😎

Yeah well you should then you could eat healthy. Just kidding obviously that’s not my point. 
 

He spends millions on being the healthiest person in the world. If veganism was less healthy than omnivore he would be an omnivore.