Here’s an interesting perspective on intuition

[Salvijus]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

Distingushing an intuition from a projection is no trivial matter.

Precisely 

[UnbornTao]

3 hours ago, Salvijus said:

That's not intuition. That's a projection based on fear. 

Precisely. 

The point is that it may arise as a subtle feeling-sense for a person, which they might call intuition. The same applies to people throughout history who have "intuited" that the Earth is flat or that extreme weather events are caused by the gods. The example was meant to illustrate that intuition can be unreliable -- not only because your inferences might be flawed, but also because the premises for your inferences might themselves be mistaken.

Bring examples of intuiting something, both accurately and inaccurately. 

What is intuition for real and where does it originate, as if? 

[Salvijus]

2 hours ago, UnbornTao said:

The example was meant to illustrate that intuition can be unreliable

It failed

2 hours ago, UnbornTao said:

What is intuition for real and where does it originate, as if? 

I already answered that somewhere in the previous page. 

[UnbornTao]

46 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

It failed

Why?

Again, bring to mind examples in your life when your intuition has been flawed -- I'm sure you can find many such instances, if you're honest.  

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I already answered that somewhere in the previous page. 

 

Edited Saturday at 04:33 PM by UnbornTao

[Salvijus]

1 hour ago, UnbornTao said:

Why?

Because you've conflated projection with intuition as if it's the same thing. 

[Joshe]

9 hours ago, Buck Edwards said:

You don't need to be a hyper rational individual to have good intuition. I have seen mentally ill and delusional people have good intuition too. And love and intuition aren't same things. Intuition is just good inner instinct, anyone can have it. Even a rapist can paint well. Like that. 

The tricky part is, we're always getting hunches and making assumptions about reality and we're always guessing what is and what might be. If we make a thousand guesses, many of them will be right. This applies to all people. But how many of the hunches/guesses/assumptions are incorrect? The track record of being correct is, IMO, the best way to assess development of intuition. AFAIK, a high intuitive faculty does not just randomly fall onto people. I think specific personality traits or thought patterns are required for it to develop, like curiosity, a tendency to observe, contemplate deeply, and analyze. Also, my theory is these are not enough. There must be some sort of spiritual/perceptual endowment, which I'm not sure how to explain. 

I think we all have intuition and surely have witnessed having an insane hunch that turned out to be correct, and it is in these kinds of instances that many would claim endowment of high intuitive faculties, but they forget about all their inaccuracies. 

Edited Saturday at 04:57 PM by Joshe

[Salvijus]

@UnbornTao

3 hours ago, UnbornTao said:

What is intuition for real and where does it originate, as if? 

you've said it perfectly yourself when you wrote this. "More like: "A shadow upon mine heart telleth me this one be a witch!"

It basically means that the heart always knows the truth but shadows cover the heart with darkness and then we make mistakes. That heart is your true intuition. The shadows are the projections of fear and ego. 

Edited Saturday at 04:56 PM by Salvijus

[UnbornTao]

40 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

Because you've conflated projection with intuition as if it's the same thing. 

I invited you to bring up examples of intuiting anything both accurately and inaccurately. 

34 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

@UnbornTao

you've said it perfectly yourself when you wrote this. "More like: "A shadow upon mine heart telleth me this one be a witch!"

It basically means that the heart always knows the truth but shadows cover the heart with darkness and then we make mistakes. That heart is your true intuition. 

I like that, but it is overly rhetorical, metaphorical. It doesn't say much about what intuition really is. Isn't it also true that we make mistakes when operating from intuition, more often than not? Clarify projection vs intuition. 

Are you suggesting that intuition-based assessments are always correct?

Edited Saturday at 05:30 PM by UnbornTao

[Salvijus]

1 hour ago, UnbornTao said:

I like that, but it is overly rhetorical or metaphorical. It doesn't say much about what intuition really is. Isn't it also true that we make mistakes when operating from intuition, more often than not? Clarify projection vs intuition. 

Are you suggesting that intuition-based assessments are always correct?

I'll just copy paste what I wrote in previous page because you're so lazy. 

1. Love is always right. Love is truth. Love simply knows. That's intuition.

2. Energy never lies. Intuition is how you read energy.

3. There is intuition and there are impulses of the ego. These two get conflated as the same thing. Your true intuition is the voice of God showing you the way. Your egoic impulses are fantasies you want to fulfill. God's guidence is always true. But it takes a lot of conciousness to discern between these impulses, making mistakes in the process is expected. 

Edited Saturday at 05:08 PM by Salvijus

[Salvijus]

1 hour ago, UnbornTao said:

It doesn't say much about what intuition really is

It's your ability to discern truth energetically while bypassing the mental analysis. Your heart simply knows what is true by the vibration of it. Because your nature IS Truth. Therefor you are endowed with power to know the Truth. Since it takes one to know one. 

Edited Saturday at 05:16 PM by Salvijus

[UnbornTao]

1 hour ago, Salvijus said:

I'll just copy paste what I wrote in previous page because your so lazy. 

Your intuition is correct, this one time.  

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1. Love is always right. Love is truth. Love simply knows. That's intuition.

2. Energy never lies. Intuition is how you read energy.

3. There is intuition and there are impulses of the ego. These two get conflated as the same thing. Your true intuition is the voice of God showing you the way. Your egoic impulses are fantasies you want to fulfill. God's guidence is always true. But it takes a lot of conciousness to discern between these impulses, making mistakes in the process is expected. 

This is too flowery, 2 and 3 have some merit. What good does it make to paint specific things with such broad strokes? What is the experience of intuiting something? How come you're not addressing the plain fact that intuition can and does in fact fails, at least occasionally, without justifying that with "God"? Where else would an impulse originate from but you? Who's the one experiencing the impulse? 

Edited Saturday at 06:32 PM by UnbornTao

[Salvijus]

1 hour ago, UnbornTao said:

What is the experience of intuiting something?

Love. And I'm not flowering here. 

1 hour ago, UnbornTao said:

How come you're not addressing the plain fact that intuition can and does in fact fails, at least occasionally, without justifying that with "God"? 

Because love is alway true and is infinitely intelligent. 

1 hour ago, UnbornTao said:

Where else would an impulse originate from but you?

It can originate either from love or from fear. Truth or projection. Intuition or egoic wishful thinking. 

[WelcometoReality]

@Salvijus what's your thoughts on gut feeling and intuition?

[Salvijus]

1 hour ago, WelcometoReality said:

@Salvijus what's your thoughts on gut feeling and intuition?

It's the same thing? I tried to think of what that word could point to that we haven't discussed here already, the only thing I could think of was bodily intelligence. Body has an intelligence aswell that is indipendant of mental activity. Like the body can tell you what to eat and when and how much etc without any intellectual masturbation. Maybe the phrase "gut knowledge" that would fit here. But people have many different definitions of that word so who knows. 

Edited Saturday at 05:49 PM by Salvijus

[WelcometoReality]

1 hour ago, Salvijus said:

It's the same thing? I tried to think of what that word could point to that we haven't discussed here already, the only thing I could think of was bodily intelligence. Body has an intelligence aswell that is indipendant of mental activity. Maybe that would fit here. 

Well I'm not certain about if it's the same or not that's why I asked. At first when I honed in on it I'd describe it as gut feeling. As the years passed it doesn't feel as gutty as it used to. In fact it doesn't feel at all if that makes sense.

Maybe more like a heart sense?

Edited Saturday at 06:57 PM by WelcometoReality

[UnbornTao]

A starting point for our consideration: 

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intuition

• the ability to understand something instinctively, without the need for conscious reasoning.
• a thing that one knows or considers likely from instinctive feeling rather than conscious reasoning.

"we shall allow our intuition to guide us"

Similar:

1. instinct
2. intuitiveness
3. sixth sense
4. divination
5. clairvoyance
6. second sight
7. ESP (extrasensory perception)

plural noun: intuitions

"your insights and intuitions as a native speaker are positively sought"

Similar:

1. hunch
2. feeling
3. feeling in one's bones
4. gut feeling
5. funny feeling
6. inkling
7. sneaking suspicion
8. suspicion
9. impression
10. premonition
11. presentiment
12. foreboding
13. satori
14. feeling in one's water

Opposite: intellect

Etymology

mid-15c., intuicioun, "insight, direct or immediate cognition, spiritual perception," originally theological, from Late Latin intuitionem (nominative intuitio) "a looking at, consideration," noun of action from past participle stem of Latin intueri "look at, consider," from in- "at, on" (from PIE root *en "in") + tueri "to look at, watch over."

 

Edited Saturday at 06:28 PM by UnbornTao

[UnbornTao]

@Salvijus Bring examples.

[Salvijus]

1 hour ago, UnbornTao said:

@Salvijus Bring examples.

Lol. 

Love would never mistaken an innocent good hearted woman as a witch and burn her, as an example. 

Edited Saturday at 07:21 PM by Salvijus

[UnbornTao]

49 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

Lol. 

Love would never mistaken an innocent good hearted woman as a witch and burn her, as an example. 

What if one's intuition runs contrary to that ideal? "I can feel that person is in fact a witch." Again, my point is that the intuition doesn't have to be true, or factual, or even sensible. 

Foolish things can be made in the name of love. In any case, we're investigating what intuition is. Could you share examples of day-to-day examples of intuiting something? 

"I got a hunch that chocolate would make for a great lasagna."

Edited Saturday at 08:11 PM by UnbornTao

[Salvijus]

1 hour ago, UnbornTao said:

Lots of stupid things are made in the name of love

Impossible. People may do bs in the name of love, yes. But love is never bs and is always true.