Ceasefire deal reached between Israel and Hamas

[Raze]

5 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

So they get a nice break. Then back to the the business of Zionizing.

If there are no hostages to “rescue” even less will report. Recently one soldier committed suicide after being called in to go back.

What is planned is probably another “mowing the grass” operation which would be smaller like in 2014 or 2008. But in a few years time, and there is no telling what happens by then.

Edited Saturday at 10:54 PM by Raze

[Nivsch]

17 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

but now Netanyahu will not have Israelis hating him over the hostages.

It is now clear to more and more people that new hamas members are being created all the time, soldiers are being killed and that the war is pointless. I don't have a poll to show what % think that way, but I can say I start to hear that more in interviews here.

[Leo Gura]

5 minutes ago, Nivsch said:

It is now clear to more and more people that new hamas members are being created all the time, soldiers are being killed and that the war is pointless. I don't have a poll to show what % think that way, but I can say I start to hear that more in interviews here.

Interesting. Thanks for reporting.

[Husseinisdoingfine]

Antony Blinken says Hamas has recruited almost as many new militants as it has lost

 

[Nivsch]

23 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Interesting. Thanks for reporting.

Pleased to help.

[Leo Gura]

 

[Raze]

[Leo Gura]

Zionists are not going to fundamentally change their behavior because they don't see anything wrong with their behavior.

All they do at this point is manipulate public perceptions and scheme behind closed doors to push through their agenda. There is nothing more to understand about this situation.

Edited Sunday at 12:21 AM by Leo Gura

[Hardkill]

2 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Zionists are not going to fundamentally change their behavior because they don't see anything wrong with their behavior.

All they do at this point is manipulate public perceptions and scheme behind closed doors to push through their agenda. There is nothing more to understand about this situation.

So then, isn’t Finkelstein exaggerating the leverage the US has over Israel for stopping this war?

[Leo Gura]

7 minutes ago, Hardkill said:

So then, isn’t Finkelstein exaggerating the leverage the US has over Israel for stopping this war?

Yeah, I think Fink gives Trump too much credit. As if Trump ever cared about Palestine. This misunderstands Trump's motives and agenda.

The US has leverage but it wasn't used, not by Biden nor Trump. The timing was just right for this ceasefire deal.

Edited Sunday at 12:34 AM by Leo Gura

[Hardkill]

1 minute ago, Leo Gura said:

Yeah, I think Fink gives Trump too much credit. As if Trump ever cared about Palestine. This misunderstands Trump's motives and agenda.

The US has leverage but it wasn't used, not by Biden nor Trump.

Yeah, and I don't like how Mearsheimer is giving a lot credit to Trump too.

Though even if the US has leverage, that still wouldn't be enough to permanently stop Israel from murdering people in Gaza, right? 

[Raze]

9 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Yeah, I think Fink gives Trump too much credit. As if Trump ever cared about Palestine. This misunderstands Trump's motives and agenda.

The US has leverage but it wasn't used, not by Biden nor Trump.

But trump said repeatedly he wanted the war to end before his inauguration, and it was only after Netanyahu met with his envoy that he accepted the ceasefire.

He doesn’t care about the Palestinians, but he does care about what makes him look good.

He also was enraged at Netanyahu for congratulating Biden when he won.

The reason he declared Jerusalem the capital was because his advisors spliced a video of Abbas criticizing him to get him back on Netanyahu’s side. But since then he’s been talking to Qatar and Abbas so they may have convinced him to be less hawkish on Israel.

Edited Sunday at 12:42 AM by Raze

[Leo Gura]

13 minutes ago, Raze said:

But trump said repeatedly he wanted the war to end,

So did Biden. So what?

The ceasefire happened because it was favorable to Netanyahu for whatever reasons. Not because Trump said so.

Netanyahu was delaying this deal for months to make sure Dems lost the election. So here we are. He couldn't keep up an endless war forever. He need hostages back and so forth for domestic political reasons. Netanyahu is not serving Trump, he is serving himself. Maybe he threw Trump a little PR boost to get something sinister out of Trump later. But he gave no serious concession to Trump.

Edited Sunday at 12:52 AM by Leo Gura

[Hardkill]

8 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

So did Biden. So what?

The ceasefire happened because it was favorable to Netanyahu for whatever reasons. Not because Trump said so.

Netanyahu was delaying this deal for months to make sure Dems lost the election. So here we are. He couldn't keep up an endless war forever. He need hostage back and so forth.

Yeah, I think that there must've been some kind of catch here. Probably the terms in this deal were very favorable to Bibi and his right-wing coalition but very unfavorable for the Palestinians and the left-wing down the line.

 

Edited Sunday at 08:45 AM by Hardkill

[Raze]

2 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

So did Biden. So what?

The ceasefire happened because it was favorable to Netanyahu for whatever reasons. Not because Trump said so.

Netanyahu was delaying this deal for months to make sure Dems lost the election. So here we are. He couldn't keep up an endless war forever. He need hostages back and so forth for domestic political reasons. Netayahu is not serving Trump, he is serving himself.

The main reason was because his finance and police ministers said they’d leave the government if he stopped and if they did it would dissolve the government and force an election, and if he lost he could be jailed for corruption charges.

But he managed to get someone else to join and drive a wedge between them so the finance minister said he would stay.

Biden might have said that but he didn’t do anything to make it happen.

So far Israeli media is reporting Trump actually tried.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/arab-official-trump-envoy-swayed-netanyahu-more-in-one-meeting-than-biden-did-all-year/
 

https://archive.ph/2kgU3

[Leo Gura]

15 minutes ago, Raze said:

So far Israeli media is reporting Trump actually tried.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/arab-official-trump-envoy-swayed-netanyahu-more-in-one-meeting-than-biden-did-all-year/

This is all PR BS to stroke Trump's ego so Netanyahu can play him like a puppet in the future.

Everyone is making motions to kiss Trump's ass because they know it means big corrupt deals in their favor next year. So you will see leaders giving Trump credit for making the sun shine.

Edited Sunday at 01:05 AM by Leo Gura

[AION]

Palestinians and Israeli have so much bad blood, blood shed, animosity and disagreement over religious matters like the fate of Jerusalem that the battle comes down to total destruction. A zero sum game. 

[Twentyfirst]

4 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Someone explain to me how this deal will be any more than Israel getting its hostages back, and then back to bombing.

Why would Israel hold to any agreements once they get the hostages back?

They will just continue bombing and annexation of Gaza, but now Netanyahu will not have Israelis hating him over the hostages.

Netanyahu isn't Professor Xavier. When Americans give money to Israel it's Netanyahu behind it and when they want him to stop it's also him behind it? There's still a whole world of infinite factors at play and he is just a pawn like everyone else. The whole world is watching. 

Why would Israel promise the international community just to get hostages back? They don't care that much about reliving anyone missing the hostages to put even more of their reputation on the line 

So what will happen after more bombs and annexing Gaza? Nothing. Doesn't change the fact that Palestinians are indigenous to the land and Zionists are petty invaders

I reckon it's more likely he shoots himself in the head in an underground bunker in BERLIN than he makes any more Zionist progress 

Edited Sunday at 03:15 AM by Twentyfirst

[Twentyfirst]

4 hours ago, Husseinisdoingfine said:

Antony Blinken says Hamas has recruited almost as many new militants as it has lost

 

We said this was gonna happen in October. Especially since Hamas members are mostly orphans 

[Twentyfirst]

3 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

 

He has studied the evil crimes of Zionism probably more than anyone in the world. Even more than Palestinians. After you see and learn that much about the evil crimes I don't think you can ever be hopeful. Much less see past the fog of past disappointment that this time it's different. I am not saying they don't WANT to keep destroying but intention is different than action