Ceasefire deal reached between Israel and Hamas

[Twentyfirst]

Just now, Lila9 said:

They demand basic human rights from whom?

 

Yes, our leaders could have been lying. And their leaders told them all the truth? Difficult to believe.
 

Source? 

From the people colonizing and occupying their land

It's well understood that Palestinian leadership isn't very good

Source? They said the war on Gaza was to eradicate Hamas. Netanyahu said the war won't stop until all Hamas was dead. Don't be so dense

Just now, Lila9 said:

Okey.

Yeah so you are invading the indigenous peoples land but taking a moral high ground and a victim position. So with that being said. Can you handle another hundred years of this conflict? What if America pulls out its support. Can you handle that? Are you willing to die for it?

[Twentyfirst]

5 minutes ago, Lila9 said:

Same. And try to replace the leadership. The leadership in the WB is corrupted. If you believe they care about Palestinians then I don’t know what else to say. 

So you are saying if people in the West Bank behave themselves that no more houses will get stolen or settlements built or disfavorable treatment? And you are saying instead of resisting the occupation they should focus on rebelling against their own leaders? 

Let's say Israel stops building settlements. What should happen with the settlements already there? How do the Palestinians get rid of them in a professional manner without creating more conflict? 

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[PurpleTree]

13 minutes ago, Raze said:

I have nothing against Europeans. I’m just applying his own logic to him. Will he understand? Probably not.

Dude i don’t really care about your arguments sorry. My opinion is just that Islam is a bad idea. And yea colonialism etc. were also bad ideas. Zionism too.

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[Lila9]

1 minute ago, Twentyfirst said:

So you are saying if people in the West Bank behave themselves that no more houses will get stolen or settlements built or disfavorable treatment? And you are saying instead of resisting the occupation they should focus on rebelling against their own leaders?

I don’t know, this is dependent on the government and its policies. Of course the Israeli leadership should change as well and to restrict more settlements expansion. Most Israelis don’t support the settlements expansion but also don’t care enough to stop them, because of other issues which are currently more urgent to resolve. 
Palestinians should rebel against their leaders and continue with a non violent resistance. Or at least, if targeting someone, to avoid targeting innocents. 

[Karmadhi]

15 minutes ago, Lila9 said:

I don’t know, this is dependent on the government and its policies. Of course the Israeli leadership should change as well and to restrict more settlements expansion. Most Israelis don’t support the settlements expansion but also don’t care enough to stop them, because of other issues which are currently more urgent to resolve. 
Palestinians should rebel against their leaders and continue with a non violent resistance. Or at least, if targeting someone, to avoid targeting innocents.

Last time Gazans peacefully protested against Israel they were met with bullets and were massacred in cold blood.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018–2019_Gaza_border_protests

After this it became clear Israel will not allow Gazans a peaceful solution to their issues since a peaceful march is met with gunfire.

Hence leaving no choice but violent brutal rebellion which was October attacks.

It baffles me how Israelis did not see it coming seeing the history.

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[Twentyfirst]

22 minutes ago, Lila9 said:

I don’t know, this is dependent on the government and its policies. Of course the Israeli leadership should change as well and to restrict more settlements expansion. Most Israelis don’t support the settlements expansion but also don’t care enough to stop them, because of other issues which are currently more urgent to resolve. 
Palestinians should rebel against their leaders and continue with a non violent resistance. Or at least, if targeting someone, to avoid targeting innocents. 

Israel is a colonialist settlement project. Doesn't matter if the government changes 

Terrible advice. They would only be in a much worse position than they already are and then Israel would move in and take everything 

Complete nonsense. But always fascinating to get into the mind of an Israeli 

It never makes any sense. But just more confirmation that what you and your society are doing is extremely wrong and will only result in one outcome. Giant failure

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[Twentyfirst]

Just now, Karmadhi said:

Last time Gazans peacefully protested against Israel they were met with bullets and were massacred in cold blood.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018–2019_Gaza_border_protests

After this it became clear Israel will not allow Gazans a peaceful solution to their issues since a peaceful march is met with gunfire.

Hence leaving no choice but violent brutal rebellion which was October attacks.

It baffles me how Israelis did not see it coming seeing the history.

The same people who were oppressed by the holocaust went on to do it a completely innocent party

Genocide in 2024. They will never be able to remove that off their record

[Twentyfirst]

@Lila9 The only reason you are there is because of American support. Don't pretend it's anything else 

Just because you have the world's biggest bully behind you. But we all know what bullies are truly made of. Cowardice 

[Nivsch]

Head of Opposition, Lapid: Our goal isn't to return to war, but to return to life (translated from Hebrew, as always)

Edited 7 hours ago by Nivsch

[Lila9]

22 minutes ago, Karmadhi said:

Last time Gazans peacefully protested against Israel they were met with bullets and were massacred in cold blood.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018–2019_Gaza_border_protests

After this it became clear Israel will not allow Gazans a peaceful solution to their issues since a peaceful march is met with gunfire.

Hence leaving no choice but violent brutal rebellion which was October attacks.

It baffles me how Israelis did not see it coming seeing the history.

I don’t know. Peaceful protest with combats from various terror groups, including Hamas, with demolition charges and Molotov cocktails, ruining the fence. Looks not very peaceful.
 

 

There may have been genuinely peaceful protests, I don’t know, but this one in particular doesn’t seem like one.

There is a place to criticize IDF for overuse of bullets, but I have a gut feeling that the same would have been happened to them by being too close to the Egyptian or the Jordanian fence for doing the same. 

 

 

[Lila9]

2 minutes ago, Nivsch said:

Head of Opposition, Lapid: Our goal isn't to return to war, but to return to life (translated from Hebrew, as always)

 👏

Yes!

[Twentyfirst]

47 minutes ago, Nivsch said:

Head of Opposition, Lapid: Our goal isn't to return to war, but to return to life (translated from Hebrew, as always)

The bar is so low 

So the nicest Israeli is still so selfish all he cares about is rebuilding Israel but gives no fuck about Palestinians 

And the worst ones want to genocide them all and take all the land for themselves 

Thats the spectrum

[zazen]

2 hours ago, PurpleTree said:

Nice. Or remember the Arab Islamic slave trade? Oh wow allegedly there are still a ton of slaves in Muslim countries. 

 

If your referring to Libya where slavery is happening in the traditional sense ie being sold literally - that’s not Islamically sanctioned, that’s criminal activity due to a breakdown of governance - after a power vacuum was left when the West overthrew Gaddafi.

It’s inaccurate to conflate things with Islam bro. It’s like me saying mass school shootings happen in America so there must be a problem with Christians or Democracy.

Conflating the norms and practices of the past, such as conquest and slavery which were widely practiced across civilizations and now regarded as repugnant - with the teachings of religions as though those religions actively promoted them is inaccurate.

It’s not about who practiced such and such norm we find regressive from today’s stand point, it’s about how they engaged in those norms and practices relative to others at their time. Often, Muslims engaged with more ethics than their counterparts.

You even term it Arab Islamic slave trade - that’s like me saying remember the Trans Atlantic Christian slave trade. If that sounds off it’s cos it is lol.

 

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[Nivsch]

25 minutes ago, Twentyfirst said:

The bar is so low 

So the nicest Israeli is still so selfish all he cares about is rebuilding Israel but gives no fuck about Palestinians 

And the worst ones want to genocide them all and take all the land for themselves 

Thats the spectrum

He is in the Center. You can read about his political party and ideology in wikipedia. He has always talked about Two State Solution, but after Oct7 it is very difficult for any Israeli to empathize with Palestinians unless he is a stage turquoise saint.

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[zazen]

@Twentyfirst Being in the West myself, but heavily exposed to other regions - it is one heck of a mission to unlearn misconceptions about not only the outside world, but the Western world which is a world in and of it self.

For example, just put the following two facts to any American: the US has the 5th highest incarceration rate in the world yet still has the highest homicide rate among developed nations. If their so developed and embody high values - why would their still be such high homicide rates even after they have locked up and imprisoned so many of their criminals? This is a clear sign of systemic rot. They don’t even have the excuse of war, destabilisation or extreme poverty - like the other nations they criticise do - and that they feel superior to lol

 

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[PurpleTree]

25 minutes ago, zazen said:

If your referring to Libya where slavery is happening in the traditional sense ie being sold literally - that’s not Islamically sanctioned, that’s criminal activity due to a breakdown of governance - after a power vacuum was left when the West overthrew Gaddafi.

It’s inaccurate to conflate things with Islam bro. It’s like me saying mass school shootings happen in America so there must be a problem with Christians or Democracy.

Conflating the norms and practices of the past, such as conquest and slavery which were widely practiced across civilizations and now regarded as repugnant - with the teachings of religions as though those religions actively promoted them is inaccurate.

It’s not about who practiced such and such norm we find regressive from today’s stand point, it’s about how they engaged in those norms and practices relative to others at their time. Often, Muslims engaged with more ethics than their counterparts.

You even term it Arab Islamic slave trade - that’s like me saying remember the Trans Atlantic Christian slave trade. If that sounds off it’s cos it is lol.

 

I said that because the dude was doing the usual whataboutist rants about the west and such. With his lame. "You Europeans had slavery colonialism etc. you bois were very naughty and very evil while Muslims Jews and Christians lived in peace in Palestine and hugged each other“ 

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_slavery_in_the_Muslim_world

 

Edited 6 hours ago by PurpleTree

[zazen]

@PurpleTree I get you. What a nasty thing - glad the Brits lit the fire that put an end to such a thing.

Can’t believe it was just some default setting for humans to do shit like slavery until only recently. Thank God, Allah it’s over (except Libya)

Trump should make it mandatory for airlines to only put on Leo content. Then people can do the rawdog challenge on Leo’s videos and get enlightened. Mandatory satori.

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[Raze]

1 hour ago, PurpleTree said:

I said that because the dude was doing the usual whataboutist rants about the west and such. With his lame. "You Europeans had slavery colonialism etc. you bois were very naughty and very evil while Muslims Jews and Christians lived in peace in Palestine and hugged each other“ 

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_slavery_in_the_Muslim_world

It’s not whataboutism, it’s holding you to the same standard you hold others to, and you refuse to do it because it collapses your hypocritical ideology.

[Leo Gura]

1 hour ago, PurpleTree said:

I said that because the dude was doing the usual whataboutist rants about the west and such. With his lame. "You Europeans had slavery colonialism etc. you bois were very naughty and very evil while Muslims Jews and Christians lived in peace in Palestine and hugged each other“ 

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_slavery_in_the_Muslim_world

 

Nice chart!

That's a great example of an objective metric for higher perspectives.

I want to share that on my blog.

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[Twentyfirst]

@PurpleTree The West invented wage slavery. Which is basically paying the entire population just enough to survive giving the illusion of freedom. You get a place to sleep and some food. Just like slaves 

You will never see slavery anywhere like you did in USA

I am pretty sure the most trafficked people and kids and sex trafficking happens in USA. How else can Epstein and all them survive for so long and still haven't really gotten in trouble?