Ceasefire deal reached between Israel and Hamas

[Twentyfirst]

9 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

Do you ever come out of "victim mode"?

Nice logo BTW. I recognize that. Isn't that movie about religious wars?

Why don't you ask Palestinians how they feel about the other religions? Oh wait. Their words don't matter to you. They can tell you their grievances decade after decade and what it will take to solve this and you'd still think the best solution is beating them into submission 

Edited 12 hours ago by Twentyfirst

[Twentyfirst]

5 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

Do you ever come out of "victim mode"?

Yea Judaism ( we have to go back there and we has god on our side 😇)

Islam ( Nah this is ours now Mohami said so 😇

And American Evangelical Christians ( Gosh we want to meddle also in Jerusalem we feel left out)

It's more like Jews (oh no Hitler reincarnated as an Arab, I am scared, watch my back I feel like someone is standing right behind me)

Arabs (if they don't listen then I guess I will fly planes into their buildings. Surely the people will question why their leaders made such an enemy right?) 

Whites (we are basically atheists now but let's pretend we still believe in god. since we hate jews lets keep them fighting Arabs in the desert and maybe they will eliminate each other) 

[Raze]

39 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

Do you ever come out of "victim mode"?

Yea Judaism ( we have to go back there and we has god on our side 😇)

Islam ( Nah this is ours now Mohami said so 😇

And American Evangelical Christians ( Gosh we want to meddle also in Jerusalem we feel left out)

Jews Muslims and Christian’s lived together peacefully in Palestine prior to Zionism.

Edited 11 hours ago by Raze

[AION]

5 hours ago, Lila9 said:

Hopefully they will restore it.
And hopefully it would be quick if they will receive lots of aid.

And hopefully Hamas will be replaced with more conscious leadership which will allow them to heal. 

[PurpleTree]

4 minutes ago, Raze said:

Jews Muslims and Christian’s lived together peacefully in Palestine prior to Zionism 

Well i’m not sure about the history but pretty sure Muslims took the area mostly by conquest.

[Twentyfirst]

3 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

Well i’m not sure about the history but pretty sure Muslims took the area mostly by conquest.

Hey kids. Do you know why you keep dying? It's because you can't let go of your religion of Islam. PurpleTree even said so! And his logo is about a movie where religions fight over Jerusalem so he must know 

[Twentyfirst]

This woman is very intelligent. Much better than fighting war after war, ceasefire after ceasefire, for no true purpose

Now she and her future lineage get to live in peace without fear 

[Raze]

15 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

Well i’m not sure about the history but pretty sure Muslims took the area mostly by conquest.

That was a thousand years ago, and the Muslims allowed Jews to return when they had been expelled by Christians.

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[Twentyfirst]

 

[PurpleTree]

18 minutes ago, Raze said:

That was a thousand years ago, and the Muslims allowed Jews to return when they had been expelled by Christians.

I’m not denying that. But at certain times non muslims had to pay special taxes and wear special outfits. And i think also in Gaza/Westbank now or recently for example a Muslim man can marry a Christian woman. But a Christian man can’t marry a Muslim woman etc. So there are hierarchies and so on. 

[Twentyfirst]

5 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

I’m not denying that. But at certain times non muslims had to pay special taxes and wear special outfits. And i think also in Gaza/Westbank now or recently for example a Muslim man can marry a Christian woman. But a Christian man can’t marry a Muslim woman etc. So there are hierarchies and so on. 

Thats part of Islam for people worldwide

The Jews do the opposite. The kids automatically take on their mothers religion rather than the father 

[Raze]

24 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

I’m not denying that. But at certain times non muslims had to pay special taxes and wear special outfits. And i think also in Gaza/Westbank now or recently for example a Muslim man can marry a Christian woman. But a Christian man can’t marry a Muslim woman etc. So there are hierarchies and so on. 

Also in Gaza over 1 million Muslim children were kept in a blockaded prison for decades, so harsh that over 50% of the population had depression and only 4% had access to clean water, then israel bombarded it repeatedly to the point where it had the largest child amputee population in the world and the majority of children had ptsd, then they had a mass scale peaceful protest where Jewish soldiers bragged about how they had competitions to see who could shoot off the most kneecaps of protestors and over 200 were killed and 30,000 injured, then in the past year israel bombarded them more than ever before creating the most bombed land mass in possibly world history where they killed 17,000 Muslim children, left 35,000 orphaned, and over 10x more with injuries such as deafness, blindness, and amputations which were usually done without anesthesia because israel blocked it from entering. At the same time in the West Bank where Jews can vote and are tried in civilian courts, Muslims cannot vote and are tried in military courts with a 90% conviction rate so harsh the punishment minors receive for throwing rocks is similar to the punishment Jews receive for committing murder, where the majority of Muslim male has spent time in prison and they face regular murders from Jewish settlers and IDF to the point where 2021 saw the deadliest year for Muslim children there in a decade, 2022 beat that record, and by September 2023 had beat that record with nearly 60 children killed, and since then hundreds have been killed or driven from their homes.

But as always your reaction is to blame them for their religious beliefs. Basically when Muslims make people pay taxes you say they should give up their religion and anything that happens is their fault, and when Muslims face mass murder and apartheid you again say they should give up their religion and anything that happens is their fault.

It’s not an issue of understanding, it’s an issue of bigotry, you see indigenous people being murdered and your reaction is to attack their religion, not the people killing them.

 

Edited 10 hours ago by Raze

[Lila9]

1 hour ago, Twentyfirst said:

The extremist point of view is you are part of a society which causes a huge level of untold atrocities. They live in a democracy where the taxes go to fund weapons (USA is the perfect example) and then they vote for the presidents that setup the foreign policies. When Bin Laden sees this he will blame all Americans and if he sends planes into towers it doesnt matter who is there because they are technically on American SOIL

Israel is even worse because they are on stolen land meant for indigenous population who they pushed out. Imagine being on stolen land and then shocked and seeking pity when you get attacked. How many different nationalities were at the festival? I think people from 40 different countries. What in the hell are people from 40 different countries doing on somebody else's land while they are a refugee in some camp somewhere. Doesn't make sense. To make it worse everybody knows what goes on at those festivals. Doing haram things on the Holy Land is just asking for trouble. Every single Israeli knows the potential harms of living on that land and they all CHOOSE to take that risk 

Imagine if you went inside a bank vault and you stole all the money. Now imagine the bank vault closes on you. The people who own the bank can easily find you because you yourself are trapped inside the vault and you can't get out of it. But the vault belongs to them so in their minds they can do whatever they want. Now imagine...to defend yourself you vote and pay tax for someone that is also inside the vault with you to attack the owners of the vault. They will blame you for voting and paying that person

Want more proof? Even the West themselves said it's okay to genocide Gaza since they VOTED for Hamas. The same exact logic as the extremist Islamics use! They forgot to mention that half of Gazans are children so that voting process doesn't really count. And the only reason they had to vote for anyone was desperation and democratic processes being forced upon them because of the trap they were in. And even if it was a legitimate voting process you are putting them under so much pressure of occupation of course they will do some crazy ass attack. Israel always brags how they are above their savage neighbors since they have the best form of governance. The only democracy in the Middle East that is the shining light and example for the rest blah blah blah its all garbage 

Do you live according to the same standards you expect from others? 
I don’t know or familiar with many people or groups who live according to their standards in practice. whether they are Buddhists, Muslims, Christians, Jews, atheists etc. Nobody is saint.

Just because the purple person killed 2 people while the yellow one killed 3, don’t remove the fact that both are killers. 

 

[Lila9]

49 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

Well i’m not sure about the history but pretty sure Muslims took the area mostly by conquest.

Source: ChatGPT.

The claim that there was complete peace between Jews, Muslims, and Christians in the Middle East before the establishment of the State of Israel is an oversimplification. Relations among these religious groups have varied significantly across different times and places in the region’s history.

Historical Context

    1.    Periods of Relative Harmony:

    •    During the Islamic Golden Age (8th–13th centuries), Jews and Christians lived as “People of the Book” under Islamic rule and were generally afforded a protected status (dhimmi) in exchange for paying a special tax (jizya). While they were second-class citizens, they often experienced periods of coexistence and contributed significantly to the cultural, scientific, and economic life of Islamic empires.

    •    In Ottoman Palestine, Jews, Christians, and Muslims lived together with relatively little conflict, especially compared to Europe at the same time. However, tensions existed due to social, economic, and political disparities.

    2.    Periods of Tension and Conflict:

    •    Religious differences occasionally led to violence, discrimination, and oppression. For example:

    •    In medieval Islamic empires, outbreaks of persecution or forced conversions occurred during certain periods, depending on the ruler.

    •    The Crusades (11th–13th centuries) brought significant violence between Christians and Muslims, and Jews also suffered during these campaigns.

    •    Blood libel accusations against Jews and communal violence occurred sporadically in the Middle East, mirroring similar patterns in Europe.

    3.    19th and Early 20th Century:

    •    Under Ottoman rule in the 19th century, Jewish migration to Palestine increased, especially with the rise of European Zionism. This began to change the demographics and land ownership patterns, leading to growing tensions between Jews and Arabs (Muslims and Christians).

    •    The collapse of the Ottoman Empire and the British Mandate (1917–1948) exacerbated tensions, as both Arab and Jewish nationalist movements clashed over land and self-determination.

Zionism and the Establishment of Israel

The rise of Zionism and the subsequent establishment of Israel in 1948 created significant changes in the region. Many Arab leaders and populations opposed the Zionist project, viewing it as a European colonial endeavor. The displacement of Palestinians during and after the 1948 Arab-Israeli War (the Nakba) deepened animosities.

 

Summary

While there were periods of coexistence and relative peace between Jews, Muslims, and Christians in the Middle East, these relations were not without tension and inequality. The notion of uninterrupted harmony before the rise of Zionism oversimplifies a complex history. However, it is true that the creation of Israel and the resulting conflicts significantly intensified divisions between these communities in the modern era.

 

[PurpleTree]

16 minutes ago, Raze said:

Also in Gaza over 1 million Muslim children were kept in a blockaded prison for decades, so harsh that over 50% of the population had depression and only 4% had access to clean water, then israel bombarded it repeatedly to the point where it had the largest child amputee population in the world and the majority of children had ptsd, then they had a mass scale peaceful protest where Jewish soldiers bragged about how they had competitions to see who could shoot off the most kneecaps of protestors and over 200 were killed and 30,000 injured, then in the past year israel bombarded them more than ever before creating the most bombed land mass in possibly world history where they killed 17,000 Muslim children, left 35,000 orphaned, and over 10x more with injuries such as deafness, blindness, and amputations which were usually done without anesthesia because israel blocked it from entering. At the same time in the West Bank where Jews can vote and are tried in civilian courts, Muslims cannot vote and are tried in military courts with a 90% conviction rate so harsh the punishment minors receive for throwing rocks is similar to the punishment Jews receive for committing murder, where the majority of Muslim male has spent time in prison and they face regular murders from Jewish settlers and IDF to the point where 2021 saw the deadliest year for Muslim children there in a decade, 2022 beat that record, and by September 2023 had beat that record with nearly 60 children killed, and since then hundreds have been killed or driven from their homes.

But as always your reaction is to blame them for their religious beliefs. Basically when Muslims make people pay taxes you say they should give up their religion and anything that happens is their fault, and when Muslims face mass murder and apartheid you again say they should give up their religion and anything that happens is their fault.

It’s not an issue of understanding, it’s an issue of bigotry, you see indigenous people being murdered and your reaction is to attack their religion, not the people killing them.

 

Personally i think Islam is probably worse for humanity in terms of progress etc. and even human rights (women, lgbt, the right to choose and leave religions or be atheist etc.) than Zionism. Although Zionism is very destructive and shouldn’t be supported.
 

I mean it doesn’t really matter what i think and it’s not the hill i’d die on but it is what comes up.

 

 

[Twentyfirst]

18 minutes ago, Lila9 said:

Do you live according to the same standards you expect from others? 
I don’t know or familiar with many people or groups who live according to their standards in practice. whether they are Buddhists, Muslims, Christians, Jews, atheists etc. Nobody is saint.

Just because the purple person killed 2 people while the yellow one killed 3, don’t remove the fact that both are killers. 

 

We judge ourselves based on our intentions and others based on their actions. A wise person once said that

Whats your point?

[Twentyfirst]

4 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

Personally i think Islam is probably worse for humanity in terms of progress etc. and even human rights (women, lgbt, the right to choose and leave religions or be atheist etc.) than Zionism. Although Zionism is very destructive and shouldn’t be supported.
 

I mean it doesn’t really matter what i think and it’s not the hill i’d die on but it is what comes up.

 

 

Because you were taught to think that. It's not an original thought you came up or that even makes sense in reality. No way you just woke up one day and said Islam was bad on your own. It was 100% planted into you

They had to teach you all that Muslims are bad to convince you of Zionism and forever oil words

[Raze]

17 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

Personally i think Islam is probably worse for humanity in terms of progress etc. and even human rights (women, lgbt, the right to choose and leave religions or be atheist etc.) than Zionism. Although Zionism is very destructive and shouldn’t be supported.
 

I mean it doesn’t really matter what i think and it’s not the hill i’d die on but it is what comes up.

Why do you say “Zionism is very destructive and shouldn’t be supported” and not “Jews are very destructive and shouldn’t be supported”?

If it’s because not all Jews support it, you can say the same about Muslims, but to you only one of these groups is ok to be judged collectively. 

Edited 10 hours ago by Raze

[PurpleTree]

Right now i’m at the supermarket and i’m looking at those delicious medjool dates. They are at a discount. But they’re from Israel now i’m torn to buy or not. 🦭

[PurpleTree]

16 minutes ago, Twentyfirst said:

Because you were taught to think that. It's not an original thought you came up or that even makes sense in reality. No way you just woke up one day and said Islam was bad on your own. It was 100% planted into you

They had to teach you all that Muslims are bad to convince you of Zionism and forever oil words

Now i haven’t been taught that. I‘ve had bad experiences with Muslims actually from growing up in Europe. I‘ve also had good experiences. But that’s where it started for me probably with disliking Islam as a religion/ideology. Then later seen terror attacks and so on.