Ceasefire deal reached between Israel and Hamas

[Leo Gura]

Just now, Raze said:

They only agreed to give the last of the hostages in phase 2 when all idf pull out of Gaza 

Consider those two hostages dead.

[Nivsch]

40 minutes ago, Lila9 said:

Yes, it probably will take a life time to heal. 

Years for sure.

[Twentyfirst]

2 hours ago, Golem said:

This has to be the most extensively and vividly documented ethnic cleansing in history, exposing its full brutality. Thousands of CHILDREN caught in pictures and videos- blown-off hands, legs, and heads. You can’t just sweep this under the rug. Once the dust settles, there’ll be documentaries everywhere, loaded with these images and gut-wrenching stories. I’d bet my left nut that in Europe, at least, they’ll be doing free screenings in theaters and public spaces. The PR disaster here is off the charts- there’s no coming back from this.

The yidish pilpul in this and other threads reeks of pure desperation. It still manages to fool the blind masses- for now. But that grip is slipping, and it won’t last much longer.

 

2 hours ago, Golem said:

This has to be the most extensively and vividly documented ethnic cleansing in history, exposing its full brutality. Thousands of CHILDREN caught in pictures and videos- blown-off hands, legs, and heads. You can’t just sweep this under the rug. Once the dust settles, there’ll be documentaries everywhere, loaded with these images and gut-wrenching stories. I’d bet my left nut that in Europe, at least, they’ll be doing free screenings in theaters and public spaces. The PR disaster here is off the charts- there’s no coming back from this.

The yidish pilpul in this and other threads reeks of pure desperation. It still manages to fool the blind masses- for now. But that grip is slipping, and it won’t last much longer.

I already have a playlist of over 100 long documentaries about the war crimes. These are most decades old. The proof has always been there

Palestinians are the forgotten people. Truly

[Twentyfirst]

22 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Higher than China, Middle East, Russia, and the non-Western world.

The West still has the highest values of what's found around the world. You gotta keep things in proper perspective.

Neoliberal tech-bro democracy is still more advanced than Putinism or Islamic theocratic monarchy or Chinese communism.

Lol

You are gonna have an interesting time in the new world

[Nivsch]

22 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

So they get a nice break. Then back to the business of Zionizing Gaza.

The cake is ~40% of the public.

25.5% of the cake want to settle in gaza out of pre-existing ideology.

Which means that ~10% of Israelis have a hard core (what I assume the word Zionism means in the foreign unofficial media) more stable ideological aspirations (less depend on oct7) to settle in Gaza.

https://www.idi.org.il/articles/57341

Edited yesterday at 09:09 PM by Nivsch

[Raze]

32 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Consider those two hostages dead.

They are only releasing 33 in phase 1. So they’ll still have 61.

 

[Leo Gura]

Just now, Raze said:

They are only releasing 33 in phase 1. So they’ll still have 61.

 

Then there is some hope.

[Raze]

[Twentyfirst]

1 hour ago, Ulax said:

That vid of the Israeli  hostages being released to the Red Cross is fucking nuts. I can’t get over how terrifying that must be holy shit.

Must all be dissociated as shit by now but still. 

Nobody should live on or even visit the land if they are not prepared to die horribly. Even being nearby on the outside of the border could be dangerous

Has been that way. Don't listen to any leader promising protection 

[Karmadhi]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

No country serves another country. It's about shared values and interests. It's about finding common ground, alignments, and scratching each others backs.

The US, EU, and Israel have a lot of common ground on values, economics, intel, tech. This is why they largely blindly support each other. It's like an old marriage. Even if your spouse misbehaves you don't abandon them because there is something much larger at stake.

What does Israel do exactly for the USA?

USA gives them tons of free aid, Israel basically caused 9/11 and has made USA greatly hated in the Arab world.

Not to mention all the lives lost in wars in the Middle East caused through Israeli influence and lobbies.

The only ones winning from Israel are USA senators who get fat bribes from AIPAC.

For USA as a country, Israel is a liability.

 

[Nivsch]

[Leo Gura]

6 minutes ago, Karmadhi said:

What does Israel do exactly for the USA?

A lot!

Israel is a Western bastion and military base in the Middle East, a region of critical geopolitical importance.

Israel shares intelligence on terrorism and Middle Eastern leaders. Mossad is powerful.

Israel has many defense contractors and important technology companies.

Many important and powerful Jewish tycoons in the USA have a fondness and loyalty for Israel, and they need to be placated.

All that is politics 101.

Edited yesterday at 09:40 PM by Leo Gura

[Raze]

[gambler]

10 minutes ago, Karmadhi said:

USA gives them tons of free aid, Israel basically caused 9/11 and has made USA greatly hated in the Arab world.

Arabs are simps for America. Sure, they despise American foreign policy and how it acts politically, but they still love America.

But yes, the creation of Israel is responsible for a lot of turmoil in the Middle East. From direct wars and spill-over wars, to Arab Nationalism that brought brutal dictators, to reactionary terrorism, all these things combined created a whole lot of bloodshed.. and continues to do so.

Edited yesterday at 09:45 PM by gambler

[Raze]

1 minute ago, Leo Gura said:

A lot!

Israel is a Western bastion and military base in the Middle East, a region of critical geopolitical importance.

Israel shares intelligence on terrorism and Middle Eastern leaders.

Israel has many defense contractors and important technology companies.

The Middle East isn’t of critical importance, the US benefits from a quiet Middle East so it can focus its resources in Asia. Israel keeps bogging it down.

There wasn’t a anti U.S. middle Eastern terrorism problem until Israel 

Israel was caught selling U.S. tech to China 

If Israel was so important it wouldn’t need such a strong lobby to get the US to support it.

Edited yesterday at 09:40 PM by Raze

[Leo Gura]

1 minute ago, Raze said:

The Middle East isn’t of critical importance, the US benefits from a quiet Middle East so it can focus its resources in Asia. Israel keeps bogging it down.

There wasn’t a anti U.S. middle Eastern terrorism problem until Israel 

Israel was caught selling U.S. tech to China 

If Israel was so important it wouldn’t need such a strong lobby to get the US to support it.

Your position just isn't serious. It's based on leftist ideals, not how the world actually works.

[Nivsch]

3 minutes ago, gambler said:

Israel basically caused 9/11

What is the next step? "Israel has created Isis"?

(To karmadhi)

Edited yesterday at 09:43 PM by Nivsch

[Raze]

Just now, Leo Gura said:

Your position just isn't serious. It's based on leftist ideals, not how the world actually works.

It’s the opposite. Leftists like Noam Chomsky and Norman Finkelstein argue the US controls israel for its benefit. Realists like John Mearsheimer argue israel controls the US for its benefit at the detriment of US interests. 

[gambler]

1 minute ago, Nivsch said:

What is the next step? "Israel has created Isis"?

(To karmadhi)

Why did you incorrectly attribute this quote to me 

 

[Karmadhi]

4 minutes ago, Nivsch said:

What is the next step? "Israel has created Isis"?

 

I am not saying they actually did it but because of USA unconditional support to Israel is what led Bin Laden to attack USA.