Ceasefire deal reached between Israel and Hamas

[Raze]

1 minute ago, Leo Gura said:

Gaza will be an Israeli shopping mall in 20 years.

There was enough political pressure to stop them from succeeding mass in ethnic cleaning this time. 
 

Long term that pressure will increase if anything, 

Edited yesterday at 04:07 AM by Raze

[Twentyfirst]

5 minutes ago, Raze said:

Things are going to be wild in 20 years 

https://www.vox.com/world-politics/2023/2/23/23609584/israel-right-wing-young-voters-palestine

In 5 years Zionism will be a relic of the past, there will either be a one or two state solution not just agreed upon but actually in place, Palestinians will get whatever they have been demanding this whole time whether it's a one or two state (maybe the right of return will take 10 years if it's a one state, East Jerusalem if it's two state), the entire Middle East will be stabilized. And the entire world, including American citizens, will wonder how the hell Zionism ever lasted that long (except the tiny minority of uber fanatics who will still be fantasying prophecies of the holy land). 

Keep the extra 15 years!

[Jayson G]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

Because American leaders have no real understanding of terrorism. Because it would be too inconvenient.

They see terrorism, they rally against it in a simplistic and mindless manner.

Most Americans regard Palestinians as savage terrorists.

And also, Palestine has no economic value to offer the world. Politics is built on exchange of economic value. Palestine has no chips at the poker table.

@Leo Gura I would re-look at the data .. I think most americans (not american leaders) clearly see that US is unfairly supporting Israel, and that what is happening to the palestinians is very unfair. American leaders on the other hand are a different story, its more in their interest to see them as evil. 

[AION]

Ceasefire already ended. Israel literally said:

It is neither here or there but Israel knows how to play the media game. They basically said Hamas didn't release the hostage list with the names and they are back at it.

https://www.euronews.com/2025/01/19/ceasefire-delayed-israel-says-after-hamas-fails-to-release-hostages-names

To summarize

• Israel has US politics in their pocket
• They dominate the media
• They destroyed Hezbollah logistical lines so Hamas can't be supplied, occupied Syrian Arab land while everybody expected Israel to give up land
• Israel destroyed infrastructure and tunnels of Gaza and won't allow it to be rebuild
• They have the Arab Gulf states in their pocket
• Looks like the Arabs made a huge mistake with their October attack

Arabs will just be slowly molded into what Israel want losing more leverage with every generation. From what I heard is that Israel is going to push Egypt to accept Arab refugees from Palestine and then just never accept them back in Gaza. That is the end game. Similar to how Israeli were pushed out of Israel by the Romans.

 

Edited yesterday at 08:46 AM by AION

[Nivsch]

2 hours ago, AION said:

They dominate the media

The unofficial media is heavily dominated by anti-Israeli public figures who make thousands of YouTube videos without ever having set their foot in Israel.

Edited yesterday at 10:25 AM by Nivsch

[AION]

52 minutes ago, Nivsch said:

The unofficial media is heavily dominated by anti-Israeli public figures who make thousands of YouTube videos without ever having set their foot in Israel.

Unofficial media is hard to control even if the Jewry wanted to control it. They would have to censor youtube, twitter en tiktok which is hard to do. It is much more efficient to control US politics and treasury. Money is king.

[Karmadhi]

8 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Because American leaders have no real understanding of terrorism. Because it would be too inconvenient.

They see terrorism, they rally against it in a simplistic and mindless manner.

Most Americans regard Palestinians as savage terrorists.

And also, Palestine has no economic value to offer the world. Politics is built on exchange of economic value. Palestine has no chips at the poker table.

It is not just about America.

American congress has already been hijacked by AIPAC, that country is brainwashed when it comes to Israel by the Jewish Lobby.

I am talking about other countries like the UK or France.

And when it comes to economic value, well they still supported weak poor countries like Kosovo so that argument does not hold 100%.

 

[Leo Gura]

2 minutes ago, Karmadhi said:

I am talking about other countries like the UK or France.

Western countries think alike on these "terrorist" issues.

[Karmadhi]

2 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Western countries think alike on these "terrorist" issues.

If you do some research on how much of the banks and media, Jews and devoted Zionists hold, then it all makes sense.

No need for any other reason.

The other reasons are just cherry on top of the cake.

Edited yesterday at 12:16 PM by Karmadhi

[Twentyfirst]

1 hour ago, Karmadhi said:

If you do some research on how much of the banks and media, Jews and devoted Zionists hold, then it all makes sense.

No need for any other reason.

The other reasons are just cherry on top of the cake.

So all the problems and brutality of the West are caused by the Jews? That is anti semitism and the cause of all these current day problems. The West is the West because the West is the West. Don't scapegoat 

The West was colonizing way before the Jews had any influence over them. Today they do have influence but only minimal influence over them. Mostly the West uses the Jews today to destabilize the Middle East and they don't mind using the Jews because they have always been the easiest scapegoat 

If you want to commit a crime. You need a patsy first. Somebody has to go to jail. Better to put all the blame on someone else

[Golem]

Israel as a zionist entity is a house of cards and definitely has no future, however you slice it. Unique lack of self awareness will result in more and more mistakes as we've witnessed in the past year. Sprinkle in some random whistleblower or classified information leak in US and  yeah, it's definitely over.

 

Edited yesterday at 02:17 PM by Golem

[zazen]

3 hours ago, Karmadhi said:

If you do some research on how much of the banks and media, Jews and devoted Zionists hold, then it all makes sense.

No need for any other reason.

The other reasons are just cherry on top of the cake.

Like Twentyfirst said above, there's plenty of incentive driven interest for the West to be doing what they're doing regardless of Zionists. I don't think its either or, but more so both working symbiotically together for their own ends. The relationships become so intertwined and the lines blurred that its hard to tell who's the dog wagging the tail and vica versa.

A interesting take from Norman Finklestein below indicates that the US has the power to dictate to Israel. A parallel to this ceasefire is the one that occurred in 2009 right before Obama's inauguration on the 20th of January. Operation Cast Lead ended with a ceasefire on the 17th of January with a MOU signed between Israel and the US with the US providing Israel security related assurances. His reasoning is that they don't want a US ally like Israel who is a settler colonial occupying apartheid state committing war crimes - to taint the US image. Basically optics.

Also:

 

The greatest terrorist states the US and Isreal - will have their day.

Edited yesterday at 03:21 PM by zazen

[gengar]

3 hours ago, Karmadhi said:

It is not just about America.

American congress has already been hijacked by AIPAC, that country is brainwashed when it comes to Israel by the Jewish Lobby.

I am talking about other countries like the UK or France.

And when it comes to economic value, well they still supported weak poor countries like Kosovo so that argument does not hold 100%.

 

Why does the USA serve Israel first, when Israel is dependant on them and not the other way around?

[Raze]

3 hours ago, Karmadhi said:

It is not just about America.

American congress has already been hijacked by AIPAC, that country is brainwashed when it comes to Israel by the Jewish Lobby.

I am talking about other countries like the UK or France.

And when it comes to economic value, well they still supported weak poor countries like Kosovo so that argument does not hold 100%.

 

The EU largely serves the USA

[Raze]

2 minutes ago, gengar said:

Why does the USA serve Israel first, when Israel is dependant on them and not the other way around?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZdpIRMZoSw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezNqSAIJIOI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceCOhdgRBoc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ky8kR_1n8eA

short answer:

CUFI convinced evangelicals they need to support Israel for religious reasons

AIPAC donates to politicians so if any politicians goes against Israel they flood their opponent with money giving them an election advantage

Israel has a program called canary mission which doxxes anyone, mostly students, who criticizes Israel and accuses them of anisemitism and nazism to destroy their careers forcing people to fall in line and not criticize Israel 

 

 

[Twentyfirst]

2 hours ago, Golem said:

Israel as a zionist entity is a house of cards and definitely has no future, however you slice it. Unique lack of self awareness will result in more and more mistakes as we've witnessed in the past year. Sprinkle in some random whistleblower or classified information leak in US and  yeah, it's definitely over.

 

Exactly. Zionism has been over since Oct 8th. Only white western supremacists will believe it can succeed because they see everything through the lens of power dynamics and zero sum games. Since Israel has more power, weapons, and material riches then it is SUPERIOR and it will therefore DOMINATE the other party. And Jews and Arabs will never be able to both win. Somebody HAS to lose. There can not be reasonable negotiations it has to be complete annihilation of one side (oppressed) and complete success of the other (oppressor). The Arab neighbors will never unite like us Westerners united because they are just slow primitive people. Since the Arab neighbors didn't nuke the entirety of Israel like Israel did to Gaza then that means they are a weak people. Its not like the Arabs are actually civilized it just means they are weaklings that need to again be dominated for their weakness

This is how Westerners are and how they have always been. And you can never tell them anything different because they are basically born being told the West is the supreme

There was a post WW2 age and a post Cold War age. Today we just entered into a post zionist age. Which means post western supremacy. They will hold on for dear life till the unchangeable bitter end

Never forget the 5 main countries involved in this. British, French, Germans, American, and European Zionist Jews. All Western powers

Western supremacy at its finest. Blindness 

Edited yesterday at 04:21 PM by Twentyfirst

[Lila9]

25 minutes ago, Raze said:

Israel has a program called canary mission which doxxes anyone, mostly students, who criticizes Israel and accuses them of anisemitism and nazism to destroy their careers forcing people to fall in line and not criticize Israel 

The biggest universities in the US receive donations from countries such as China and Qatar, very likely to promote their agenda, which is likely antisemitic, anti-Western, and pro-Hamas under the guise of wokeness and progression.

Students in those universities end up being brainwashed by these “woke” agendas without any real attempt to foster truthful discussion and reach deeper, more nuanced understanding and truth, as should be the goal in an educational system.

So, I am not surprised by the existence of organizations like Canary Mission. This is valid.

Whether their accusations against the people they accuse of Nazism and Antisemitism are valid or not, it is difficult to find reliable and genuinely unbiased data online.

But it’s also important to bear in mind that the Nazism and Antisemitism of today have been evolved and are more sneaky and covered because of the political correctness. 

Edited yesterday at 04:05 PM by Lila9

[Twentyfirst]

49 minutes ago, zazen said:

Like Twentyfirst said above, there's plenty of incentive driven interest for the West to be doing what they're doing regardless of Zionists. I don't think its either or, but more so both working symbiotically together for their own ends. The relationships become so intertwined and the lines blurred that its hard to tell who's the dog wagging the tail and vica versa.

The USA has never forgotten its true intentions on why it is sending money to Israel. For its own selfish reasons. It's the dog and Israel is the tail

Israel are a just bunch of idiots. If you go against the only people who ever helped you by using the backing force of the only people who ever hated you. You are indeed an idiot. It's hard to explain stupidity. But yeah all their actions are just plain dumb. They aren't masterminds but are being played over n over n over

USA wants you to think that the Jews are controlling them. Perfect scapegoats since the Jews are usually successful people it's easy to blame them "They are only 1% of the population but control 25% of all the institutions!" Just old fashioned anti semitism which never went away after the Nazis

A lot of Nazis ran away to USA after Hitler was defeated

Edited yesterday at 04:08 PM by Twentyfirst

[Twentyfirst]

2 minutes ago, Lila9 said:

The biggest universities in the US receive donations from countries such as China and Qatar, very likely to promote their agenda, which is likely antisemitic, anti-Western, and pro-Hamas under the guise of wokeness and progression.

Nobody from the outside has to teach the West about anti semitism. They do just fine on their own

But ya there are gonna be more and more anti western and pro Hamas propaganda flooding into the west

[Lila9]

The first 3 Israeli hostages have been released.

 

Edited yesterday at 07:06 PM by Lila9