Ceasefire deal reached between Israel and Hamas

[Karmadhi]

3 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Zionists are not going to fundamentally change their behavior because they don't see anything wrong with their behavior.

All they do at this point is manipulate public perceptions and scheme behind closed doors to push through their agenda. There is nothing more to understand about this situation.

How come "Western democracies" are so morally weak when it comes to this?

You would assume that this behavior is so selfish and morally rotten that other countries, especially those that are highly developed would easily see it and call it out.

It seems to me Zionists do indeed control the West.

I see no other explanation behind it.

"Oh they are brown Muslims" is not a strong argument to justify looking the other way on this injustice.

The West would not have opened its doors for millions of Arab Muslims refugees including countless Palestinians if it saw them like that.

I am sure behind closed doors many Western leaders see how unfair it is but they are tied to the Israeli controlled media and lobbies.

John Mearsheimer best describes this.

 

[Leo Gura]

4 minutes ago, Karmadhi said:

How come "Western democracies" are so morally weak when it comes to this?

You would assume that this behavior is so selfish and morally rotten that other countries, especially those that are highly developed would easily see it and call it out.

It seems to me Zionists do indeed control the West.

I see no other explanation behind it.

"Oh they are brown Muslims" is not a strong argument to justify looking the other way on this injustice.

The West would not have opened its doors for millions of Arab Muslims refugees including countless Palestinians if it saw them like that.

I am sure behind closed doors many Western leaders see how unfair it is but they are tied to the Israeli controlled media and lobbies.

John Mearsheimer best describes this.

 

Because American leaders have no real understanding of terrorism. Because it would be too inconvenient.

They see terrorism, they rally against it in a simplistic and mindless manner.

Most Americans regard Palestinians as savage terrorists.

And also, Palestine has no economic value to offer the world. Politics is built on exchange of economic value. Palestine has no chips at the poker table.

Edited yesterday at 03:33 AM by Leo Gura

[Buck Edwards]

Just now, Leo Gura said:

Because American leaders have no real understanding of terrorism. Because it would too inconvenient.

They see terrorism, they rally against it in a simplistic and mindless manner.

You won't know terrorism until it happens right in your backyard. You even carry a gun just for death threats. 

[Twentyfirst]

2 hours ago, Raze said:

The reason he declared Jerusalem the capital was because his advisors spliced a video of Abbas criticizing him to get him back on Netanyahu’s side. But since then he’s been talking to Qatar and Abbas so they may have convinced him to be less hawkish on Israel.

No white guy across the ocean is gonna decide the destiny of the entire Middle East with one signature about Jerusalem. Thats how this all started with the Balfour declaration 

You guys think Netanyahu is playing the Wests ego to get what he wants

Its the ARAB leaders playing EVERYONES ego by making them think their decisions still hold any weight 

The future of the Middle East isn't Western, Jewish, or Persian. Its Arab 

[Raze]

6 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Because American leaders have no real understanding of terrorism. Because it would be too inconvenient.

They see terrorism, they rally against it in a simplistic and mindless manner.

Most Americans regard Palestinians as savage terrorists.

And also, Palestine has no economic value to offer the world. Politics is built on exchange of economic value. Palestine has no chips at the poker table.

The leaders understand just fine. They know what they are doing. They will themselves fund terrorists and reclassify them as Allie’s and then enemies again when it’s convenient. 
 

The British called early Zionist groups terrorists for bombing and assassinating British officials, but when backing Zionism was convenient removed the designation.

The US funded islamists to get the Soviet’s to invade Afghanistan and bleed them out, but when the us wants to invade calls them terrorists.

Jake Sullivan bragged that al queda was on the same side as the Us In Syria and when Assad got toppled by someone the US designated as a terrorist they started talking about taking him off the list.

Edited yesterday at 03:40 AM by Raze

[Twentyfirst]

9 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

And also, Palestine has no economic value to offer the world. Politics is built on exchange of economic value. Palestine has no chips at the poker table.

The Middle East has probably top 3 economic value in the world. Behind USA and China. If allowed to flourish that is. Maybe even more value

And Palestine is the key to the Middle East. The thorn in the lions paw 

[Leo Gura]

6 minutes ago, Raze said:

The leaders understand just fine. They know what they are doing. They will themselves fund terrorists and reclassify them as Allie’s and then enemies again when it’s convenient. 

Dude, you see videos of Oct 7th and it's hard to feel sympathy for Palestinians unless you dive deep into the history and you are really seeking the truth.

Edited yesterday at 03:44 AM by Leo Gura

[Buck Edwards]

Just now, Leo Gura said:

Dude, you see videos of Oct 7th and it's hard to feel sympathy for Palestinians unless you dive deep into the history.

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[Raze]

11 minutes ago, Twentyfirst said:

No white guy across the ocean is gonna decide the destiny of the entire Middle East with one signature about Jerusalem. Thats how this all started with the Balfour declaration 

You guys think Netanyahu is playing the Wests ego to get what he wants

Its the ARAB leaders playing EVERYONES ego by making them think their decisions still hold any weight 

The future of the Middle East isn't Western, Jewish, or Persian. Its Arab 

The Arab leaders are corks on a shaken bottle. 

The Middle East has no future. American boomer narcissism and Zionist lunacy have planted bombs everywhere. It will all self destruct. 

[Leo Gura]

6 minutes ago, Twentyfirst said:

And Palestine is the key to the Middle East

Nah, it's a distraction.

The real economic powers in the Middle East just wanna do business, not wage a war for social justice.

All this terrorism and war is bad for business unless you are a US or Israeli defense contractor.

Edited yesterday at 03:47 AM by Leo Gura

[Raze]

5 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Dude, you see videos of Oct 7th and it's hard to feel sympathy for Palestinians unless you dive deep into the history and you are really seeking the truth.

These same leaders signed off on Israel as it did similar acts such as tantura, sabra and shatila, cast lead, great match or return etc. for decades. 

And they’ve propped up governments that have done even worse things.

They don’t care. Biden in the 80s said he wishes israel would kill more women and children. 

Edited yesterday at 03:48 AM by Raze

[Twentyfirst]

4 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Nah, it's a distraction.

The real economic powers in the Middle East just wanna do business, not wage a war for social justice.

They will do more business if Palestine is solved. It will stabilize the region. No more forever wars, ISIS type groups, or Zionism

So why did EU sacrifice their quality of life to try and save Ukraine? Do they not just want to do business and don't care about social justice?

Edited yesterday at 03:51 AM by Twentyfirst

[Twentyfirst]

4 minutes ago, Raze said:

The Arab leaders are corks on a shaken bottle. 

The Middle East has no future. American boomer narcissism and Zionist lunacy have planted bombs everywhere. It will all self destruct. 

Just more reason for the Arab leaders to be motivated to fix it. They don't want to feel that self destruction in their radius 

I only bring up the Arab leaders to prove that Palestine does have economic value

There are many other factors at play other than the leadership 

Edited yesterday at 03:50 AM by Twentyfirst

[Leo Gura]

2 minutes ago, Twentyfirst said:

They will do more business if Palestine is solved.

That isn't even an option.

[Twentyfirst]

5 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

That isn't even an option.

 

 

Edited yesterday at 03:57 AM by Twentyfirst

[Terell Kirby]

27 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Most Americans regard Palestinians as savage terrorists.

I anticipate this will backfire on Americans in due time. We shit on brown people in the Middle East because we think it won’t affect us.

Edited yesterday at 03:58 AM by Terell Kirby

[Raze]

28 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Most Americans regard Palestinians as savage terrorists.

 

That is changing 

[Leo Gura]

2 minutes ago, Raze said:

That is changing 

But the Boomers hold the power 

[Raze]

1 minute ago, Leo Gura said:

But the Boomers hold the power 

Things are going to be wild in 20 years 

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Recent polling backs that surprising observation: A joint poll published by the Israel Democracy Institute last month found that 73 percent of Jewish Israelis between ages 18 and 24 identify as right-wing, compared with only 46 percent of Jewish Israelis over 65.

https://www.vox.com/world-politics/2023/2/23/23609584/israel-right-wing-young-voters-palestine

Edited yesterday at 04:05 AM by Raze

[Leo Gura]

1 minute ago, Raze said:

Things are going to be wild in 20 years 

Gaza will be an Israeli shopping mall in 20 years.